Solved Surprised at no auto bitlocker encryption after Win 10 to Win 11.


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Yesterday I upgraded from Win 10 to Win 11 with the expectation that my C drive would be encoded by bitlocker.
I had be waiting for Win 11 excitedly and read most of the info on what should happen and although I did not want it to encrypted, thought it was would be by default as part of the new MS Win 11 enforced security.
I was very pleased, but surprised when the Win 10 to Win 11 only took 1 hour and no encryption. My estimate of the time to encrypt the C drive was around 15 hours.
Can somebody explain why this was the default for me, and confirm that my Win 11 PC will NOT be forced to encrypt at some later date.
 
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It was the default for most of us if not all of us. I don't see us being forced to encrypt but only MS can answer that question.
 

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When I upgraded from a very early version of 11 .192 or earlier it did encrypt my drive by default even though it wasn't before. My other computer was upgraded a little while ago and was on build .258 that didn't encrypt by default. I wonder if MS has changed the default option in later builds.
 

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As somebody said on here in another thread MS is business orientated, which means they want total security for the data, hence TPM etc.
Presumably in early releases the default was encrypt to suit business machines, and then the insiders complained (I am not an insider).
This means normal Home and Pro users whom also require TPM etc to upgrade are having to meet a spec that MAY be impossible when they don't really need to meet the spec at all, as they are not bothered about data security in the same way.
Does that make sense?
 

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As somebody said on here in another thread MS is business orientated, which means they want total security for the data, hence TPM etc.
Presumably in early releases the default was encrypt to suit business machines, and then the insiders complained (I am not an insider).
This means normal Home and Pro users whom also require TPM etc to upgrade are having to meet a spec that MAY be impossible when they don't really need to meet the spec at all, as they are not bothered about data security in the same way.
Does that make sense?
Ive been using win 11 since the very first dev build and every one since, It has never encrypted any of my drives by default. So im running both without encryption.
And thats on win11 education edition(Which i believe is on par with enterprise) so yeah
 

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As somebody said on here in another thread MS is business orientated, which means they want total security for the data, hence TPM etc.
Presumably in early releases the default was encrypt to suit business machines, and then the insiders complained (I am not an insider).
This means normal Home and Pro users whom also require TPM etc to upgrade are having to meet a spec that MAY be impossible when they don't really need to meet the spec at all, as they are not bothered about data security in the same way.
Does that make sense?
I see what you're saying @BaJohn but from my experience home users have newer machines than companies do and a lot of company computers won't be on 11 because they are too old and therefore do not meet the min requirements of secure boot or tpm 2.0
 

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Ive been using win 11 since the very first dev build and every one since, It has never encrypted any of my drives by default. So im running both without encryption.
And thats on win11 education edition so yeah
I know both of mine are win 11 pro so the option is there
 

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I see what you're saying @BaJohn but from my experience home users have newer machines than companies do and a lot of company computers won't be on 11 because they are too old and therefore do not meet the min requirements of secure boot or tpm 2.0
Not to mention alot of companies take years to switch over to new OS in general anyway. Smaller companies might transition quicker due to having less infrastructure to organise.
 

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So my Win 10 PC which 'cannot' be upgraded because of CPU and TPM constraint is stuck at Win 10.
But the reason for TPM is mainly for security that I don't need.
Not sure why my CPU is not included in the list. Perhaps it's just for speed to deal with the load, which I wouldn't object to that PC going a bit slower. (Core i7-2600K CPU @ 3.4 GHz)
Just trying to understand the Win 10 to Win 11 process etc.
 

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So my Win 10 PC which 'cannot' be upgraded because of CPU and TPM constraint is stuck at Win 10.
But the reason for TPM is mainly for security that I don't need.
Not sure why my CPU is not included in the list. Perhaps it's just for speed to deal with the load, which I wouldn't object to that PC going a bit slower. (Core i7-2600K CPU @ 3.4 GHz)
Just trying to understand the Win 10 to Win 11 process etc.
Are we talking about two different Pc's? One with a 2600k and the one in youre specs has a 9700k,Im assuming this thread is in regards to the 2600k? Sorry confused now xD
 

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Are we talking about two different Pc's? One with a 2600k and the one in youre specs has a 9700k,Im assuming this thread is in regards to the 2600k? Sorry confused now xD
YES - I would like if possible to have them both at Win 11.
 

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Ahhhh right i see, Sorry you didn't mention that so we were all basing this on the PC in your specs on you're profile.
So the 2600K im gonna say aint included in the list due to it being around 10 years old and the architecture not being up to scratch security wise.
You can still install win 11, But you'll need to do the work around that bypasses the tpm and cpu compatibility, However you wouldn't get any security updates as far as im aware. A do at you're own peril kinda thing.
See Here
 

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Just realized that the boot method on the Win 10 PC is 'legacy' and cannot be update - Sorry guys for wasting your time.
Only solution is to buy new motherboard with new CPU and memory.
Okay enough is enough - I'll close this tomorrow.
 

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Ahhhh right i see, Sorry you didn't mention that so we were all basing this on the PC in your specs on you're profile.
So the 2600K im gonna say aint included in the list due to it being around 10 years old and the architecture not being up to scratch security wise.
You can still install win 11, But you'll need to do the work around that bypasses the tpm and cpu compatibility, However you wouldn't get any security updates as far as im aware. A do at you're own peril kinda thing.
See Here
My Bad.
I'll leave that PC (to be fair it is fast, fairly quiet but nearly 11 years old) until Oct 2025 and think about it then, if it and myself are still around.
Good to know that we have some experts here on ElevenForums.
Regards
 

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My Bad.
I'll leave that PC (to be fair it is fast, fairly quiet but nearly 11 years old) until Oct 2025 and think about it then, if it and myself are still around.
Good to know that we have some experts here on ElevenForums.
Regards
Its all good! Just wasn't sure it was two different pc's in question that was all :D.
Yeah it'll run on win 10 no bother til then! Ah im sure you both will be!
Have a nice evening!
 

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Hi all,

I had a Win 11 insider version installed as a dual boot on a compatible laptop.
After I was done with it I just wiped the partition.
Big surprise when I booted into the original Win 10 partition and found all the other partitions Bitlockered.
Not the Win10 partition mind you. Data partition, Virtual machines partition, First line backup partition, all locked.
Strange, I never set it.
But all the keys where automatically uploaded to my MS account.
Got a little scare though.
They might have warned me.

Ciao, Han
 

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Just realized that the boot method on the Win 10 PC is 'legacy' and cannot be update - Sorry guys for wasting your time.
Only solution is to buy new motherboard with new CPU and memory.
Okay enough is enough - I'll close this tomorrow.
@BaJohn You never waste our time, it's all educational and it all gets very complicated at times with all these "workrounds" never used one myself. I think if it's not compatible it will be a better machine left on 10 certainly was for one of mine back in the insider days
 

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However you wouldn't get any security updates as far as im aware. A do at you're own peril kinda thing.
This has now been debunked. You WILL get security and other updates.

I have installed Win 11 on numerous unsupported systems. 7th gen CPU, 6th gen CPU, 4th gen CPU, even 2nd gen CPU. All have received updates.

Could these systems stop working at any time, especially after new feature releases? Sure, but for now, let's stop spreading this miinformation that updates are not being provided.

Every one of those people in media who speculated prior to release that unsupported systems would not receive security updates had no idea what they were talking about and how things work in the real world and and I publicly stated so here at that time in the forums.
 
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User1234

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This has now been debunked. You WILL get security and other updates.

I have installed Win 11 on numerous unsupported systems. 7th gen CPU, 6th gen CPU, 4th gen CPU, even 2nd gen CPU. All have received updates.

Could these systems stop working at any time, especially after new feature releases? Sure, but for now, let's stop spreading this miinformation that updates are not being provided.

Every one of those people in media who speculated prior to release that unsupported systems would not receive security updates had no idea what they were talking about and how things work in the real world and and publicly stated so here at that time in the forums.
It was provided by Brink in that forum post, So is he lying or...
 

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    PC/Desktop

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Just realized that the boot method on the Win 10 PC is 'legacy' and cannot be update - Sorry guys for wasting your time.
Even that doesn't stop the upgrade, there are workarounds to bypass all checks when performing and upgrade. See my System Two below, for an example of 11 on a Legacy/MBR machine. And despite being a totally unsupported device, so far it has been offered all the updates though Windows Update including the latest one, Thursday's optional CU.

This screenshot was from my System Two.

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Regarding your Bitlocker question. I have done two upgrades and one clean install now. My System One is a supported machine, but as its Windows that was upgraded to 11 was 10 Home bitlocker would not be expected anyway. System Two had 10 Pro, and bitlocker was not enabled by the upgrade. The clean install of 11 Pro on a fully supported machine did turn on Bitlocker by default for all drives, the C: drive and a D: Data drive that I had created before the install.
 
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My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Aspire 3 A315-23
    CPU
    AMD Athlon Silver 3050U
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Radeon Graphics
    Monitor(s) Displays
    laptop screen
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768 native resolution, up to 2560x1440 with Radeon Virtual Super Resolution
    Hard Drives
    1TB Samsung EVO 870 SSD
    Browser
    Edge, Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October. Windows Update offered the 22H2 Feature Update on 20th September 2022.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro.

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 4GB RAM, 128GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro 22H2 Insider Beta as a native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 4GB RAM, 128GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Lattitude E4310
    CPU
    i5 M 520
    Motherboard
    0T6M8G
    Memory
    4GB
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Hard Drives
    500GB HDD
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround. In-place upgrade to 22H2 using ISO and a workaround.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro.

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 4GB RAM, 128GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro 22H2 Insider Beta as a native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 4GB RAM, 128GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro.
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