Solved Trying to "Upgrade" From Windows 10 Without TPM - Impossible?


CartmansPiehole

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I've purchased and installed a TPM module for my motherboard, to which is recognized as TPM 2.0 by Windows 10. The basics of my computer:
  • CPU; Intel 5960x
  • Motherboard: Rampage V Extreme

Neither of which are TPM 2.0 compatible.

I've tried numerous things and nothing seems to work. The only difference in the methods that I'm trying is that I'm NOT performing a clean installation from Windows 10. Instead of clicking the Custom option, I'm trying to use the Upgrade option. I really don't know how to backup and restore all of my applications, but I would be looking to do that, if at all possible. Is clicking on the Upgrade option vs the Custom to do a clean installation my whole problem as to why I can't seem to install Windows 11?

What would someone suggest I do in terms of backing up and restoring just my applications? Is this even possible to do?
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 10
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    N/A
    CPU
    Intel Core i7-5960x
    Motherboard
    Rampage V Extreme
    Memory
    64GB RAM
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA GTX 980 SC'd

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Workstation
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    doofenshmirtz evil incorporated
    CPU
    Ryzen 9 5950X
    Motherboard
    Asus ROG Crosshair VIII Formula
    Memory
    Corsair Vengeance RGB PRO Black 64GB (4x16GB) 3600MHz AMD Ryzen Tuned DDR4
    Graphics Card(s)
    ASUS AMD Radeon RX 6900 XT 16GB ROG Strix LC OC
    Sound Card
    Sound BlasterX Katana
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    3 x27" Dell U2724D & 1 x 34" Dell U3415W
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 980 Pro 1TB M.2 2280 PCI-e 4.0 x4 NVMe Solid State
    Drive
    PSU
    ASUS ROG THOR 850W 80 Plus Platinum
    Case
    ASUS ROG Strix Helios Midi-Tower ARGB Gaming Case
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    ASUS ROG Strix LC Performance RGB AIO CPU Liquid Cooler - 360mm
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    Logi Ergo
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    Logitech MX Master 3
    Internet Speed
    900/100 Mbps
    Browser
    Chrome
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender, Malwarebytes Pro
    Other Info
    HP M281 Printer
    Logitech Brio Stream webcam
    Yeti X mic
  • Operating System
    Windows 10
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Surface Laptop
    CPU
    i7
That's my spare machine!!! if only you had asked last week while it was sat on my test bench before I turned it into a cctv server I could have really helped.

Have you looked at this thread over at Asus? - Rampage V Extreme - Not TPM 2.0 Compatible? (Windows 11)
Well darn, I was dragging my feet on installing that TPM chip on my motherboard, finally did it. Yep, I know what thread you're talking about, I'd tried everything there. Either whatever methods were being used are now patched up or it's simply the fact that I'm trying to "Upgrade" rather than do a Custom (clean install).

My computer STILL runs good, otherwise, my only problem is MSFS2020 (and apparently Windows 11) but that's about it. I typically run my computers into the ground before I throw down money to upgrade and when I do, I get about the best stuff available so I don't have to upgrade in two years.

Anyways, I did do a full backup of of my PC using Rufus. If need be, I guess I "could" reinstall everything, should an attempt to clean install Windows 11 not work at all. I was trying to avoid having to re-install all of my apps, particularly MSFS2020, considering it takes (seemingly) half a day to download.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 10
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    N/A
    CPU
    Intel Core i7-5960x
    Motherboard
    Rampage V Extreme
    Memory
    64GB RAM
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA GTX 980 SC'd
it's simply the fact that I'm trying to "Upgrade" rather than do a Custom (clean install).
See my post #254 here for how to upgrade an unsupported machine. Works whether you are upgrading from 10 to 11, or an in-place upgrade on 11.

 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Aspire 3 A315-23
    CPU
    AMD Athlon Silver 3050U
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Radeon Graphics
    Monitor(s) Displays
    laptop screen
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768 native resolution, up to 2560x1440 with Radeon Virtual Super Resolution
    Hard Drives
    1TB Samsung EVO 870 SSD
    Internet Speed
    50 Mbps
    Browser
    Edge, Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October. Windows Update offered the 22H2 Feature Update on 20th September 2022. It got the 23H2 Feature Update on 4th November 2023 through Windows Update.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro (and all my Hyper-V VMs).

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 4GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Beta as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 4GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus the Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Lattitude E4310
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ i5-520M
    Motherboard
    0T6M8G
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics card(s)
    (integrated graphics) Intel HD Graphics
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Hard Drives
    500GB Crucial MX500 SSD
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround. In-place upgrade to 22H2 using ISO and a workaround. Feature Update to 23H2 by manually installing the Enablement Package.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro (and all my Hyper-V VMs).

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 4GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Beta as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 4GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus the Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.
I Liked @Try3 's method. I haven't tried it, but it sounds doable.

 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Win 11 Home ♦♦♦22631.3374 ♦♦♦♦♦♦♦23H2
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Built by Ghot® [May 2020]
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7 3700X
    Motherboard
    Asus Pro WS X570-ACE (BIOS 4702)
    Memory
    G.Skill (F4-3200C14D-16GTZKW)
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA RTX 2070 (08G-P4-2171-KR)
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC1220P / ALC S1220A
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dell U3011 30"
    Screen Resolution
    2560 x 1600
    Hard Drives
    2x Samsung 860 EVO 500GB,
    WD 4TB Black FZBX - SATA III,
    WD 8TB Black FZBX - SATA III,
    DRW-24B1ST CD/DVD Burner
    PSU
    PC Power & Cooling 750W Quad EPS12V
    Case
    Cooler Master ATCS 840 Tower
    Cooling
    CM Hyper 212 EVO (push/pull)
    Keyboard
    Ducky DK9008 Shine II Blue LED
    Mouse
    Logitech Optical M-100
    Internet Speed
    300/300
    Browser
    Firefox (latest)
    Antivirus
    Bitdefender Internet Security
    Other Info
    Speakers: Klipsch Pro Media 2.1
  • Operating System
    Windows XP Pro 32bit w/SP3
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Built by Ghot® (not in use)
    CPU
    AMD Athlon 64 X2 5000+ (OC'd @ 3.2Ghz)
    Motherboard
    ASUS M2N32-SLI Deluxe Wireless Edition
    Memory
    TWIN2X2048-6400C4DHX (2 x 1GB, DDR2 800)
    Graphics card(s)
    EVGA 256-P2-N758-TR GeForce 8600GT SSC
    Sound Card
    Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    ViewSonic G90FB Black 19" Professional (CRT)
    Screen Resolution
    up to 2048 x 1536
    Hard Drives
    WD 36GB 10,000rpm Raptor SATA
    Seagate 80GB 7200rpm SATA
    Lite-On LTR-52246S CD/RW
    Lite-On LH-18A1P CD/DVD Burner
    PSU
    PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750 Quad EPS12V
    Case
    Generic Beige case, 80mm fans
    Cooling
    ZALMAN 9500A 92mm CPU Cooler
    Mouse
    Logitech Optical M-BT96a
    Keyboard
    Logitech Classic Keybooard 200
    Internet Speed
    300/300
    Browser
    Firefox 3.x ??
    Antivirus
    Symantec (Norton)
    Other Info
    Still assembled, still runs. Haven't turned it on for 13 years?
This is the one i have used on 6 machines & about 15 friends installed W 11 on theirs ! It also gets up-dates ! Simple & easy !
Chuck

 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows11 23H2 (OS Build 22631.2428)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP HP ENVY TE01
    CPU
    2.90 gigahertz Intel Core i7-10700
    Motherboard
    Board: HP 8767 A (SMVB)
    Memory
    16214 Megabytes Usable Installed Memor
    Hard Drives
    1511.52 Gigabytes Usable Hard Drive Capacity
    1418.15 Gigabytes Hard Drive Free Space
    Keyboard
    Logitech wireless
    Mouse
    M 185 wireless
    Internet Speed
    12 ms Jitter 8 ms Download 10.5 Mbps Upload 1.7
    Browser
    Edge & FF
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
Instead of clicking the Custom option, I'm trying to use the Upgrade option.

Anyways, I did do a full backup of of my PC using Rufus.
First it sounds like you are booting from a Windows 11 USB flash drive. You can't do an upgrade by booting from a Windows 11 USB flash drive. Insert the flash drive while your Windows 10 is running, open it in explorer and double click on setup.exe to run it.

Second, I had no idea the Rufus would do backups of PCs. I thought that all Rufus did was create USB flash drives from ISO files.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Homebuilt
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7 3800XT
    Motherboard
    ASUS ROG Crosshair VII Hero (WiFi)
    Memory
    32GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Education
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Inspiron 7773
    CPU
    Intel i7-8550U
    Memory
    32GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Nvidia Geforce MX150
    Sound Card
    Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    17"
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    Toshiba 512GB NVMe SSD
    SK Hynix 512GB SATA SSD
    Internet Speed
    Fast!
In this video, i will upgrade Windows 10 to Windows 11 on unsupported computer hardware. Although Windows 11 has a higher system requirement, you may still be able to perform an upgrade on an unsupported computer. The Windows setup has an “appraiser” service that checks to see if your computer meets the minimum hardware requirements for that version. It’s possible to replace the appraiserres.dll file in the Windows 11 setup with one from an older build of Windows 10. In order to replace the Windows 11 DLL with one from Windows 10, you’ll actually need the setup files for Windows 10.

 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Pavilion
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7 5700G
    Motherboard
    Erica6
    Memory
    Micron Technology DDR4-3200 16GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC671
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung SyncMaster U28E590
    Screen Resolution
    3840 x 2160
    Hard Drives
    SAMSUNG MZVLQ1T0HALB-000H1
Hi all,

I managed to get it installed. I was working on this all night with no sleep. I forgot exactly which ISO I mounted to my drive. At the end of the day, I ended up running the script found here (or more specifically, here). Once I did this, I did an in-place upgrade off of my USB and it worked just fine, granted I had to remove a few apps/features, first. I had gone ahead and removed VMWare, HyperV, HyperVisor and KOPlayer. All of those gave me compatibility issues when installing. I wasn't using KOPlayer anyways, the rest of them, the settings just need to be re-imported once re-installed, which isn't too much of a hassle.

My only concern now is if my Windows 11 installation will choke somewhere along the way due to the script I had to run to get Windows 11 installed. Anyone got any insight to that?
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 10
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    N/A
    CPU
    Intel Core i7-5960x
    Motherboard
    Rampage V Extreme
    Memory
    64GB RAM
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA GTX 980 SC'd
If you are prepared to use a Virtual machine you can easily install W11 on non supported hardware -- secure boot on the VM's virtual hard disk (it can be GPT enabled even on an MBR and BIOS only machine), EFI and TPM emulation are all available and you can choose a "Virtual Cpu" that will work.

Then with a little bit of work you can "Convert" that VM back to a physical machine. You will have to have EFI boot supported on the physical machine though -- even if you install the Windows system to a VHDX file as the boot loader on the physical disk needs to be EFI.

To convert to a physical system you will need to ensure that the VM when being set up has had the OS installed on a "SATA" device -- if you use a "Virtio" or other "Virtual disk" driver then the process will fail.

Simply "clone" the VM to the physical disk / use Macrium to image / restore the VM to a physical disk. Then boot up Windows iso image and get into command mode and re-install the boot loader (command mode use bcdboot.exe) . Ensure an Internet connection is available and update drivers as there will be quite a few. Simply go down the devices with unknown device or question mark against them and update.

A quick way of getting most drivers updated is to use an image from a W10 system, and on the W11 system against the devices select update from this computer, check the include sub folders box and browse to system32/Driverstore.

I created a physical Multi-boot system this way -- several versions of W11 - ENG and ISL versions and the W11 preview insider, a current W10 system, and a WinPe system. The whole thing being 100% bootable from an external SSD drive. Original systems were VM's. Now runs happily from external drive as a "Windows2Go" entity which is great for testing physical hardware etc without disturbing the installed OS on the computer's main Internal disk. Also all activated OK with digital license from the original VM's !!

multios.png

Job done.

Cheers
jimbo
 
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My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows XP,7,10,11 Linux Arch Linux
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    2 X Intel i7
If you are prepared to use a Virtual machine you can easily install W11 on non supported hardware -- secure boot on the VM's virtual hard disk (it can be GPT enabled even on an MBR and BIOS only machine), EFI and TPM emulation are all available and you can choose a "Virtual Cpu" that will work.
jimbo...just curious.

Is it possible to clone my own machine and install it to a VM or even Hyper V? I may at some point want to fool around and set up my own network. I'd be nice to have One MS Server 2022 VM and a few Windows 11 VMs.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 10
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    N/A
    CPU
    Intel Core i7-5960x
    Motherboard
    Rampage V Extreme
    Memory
    64GB RAM
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA GTX 980 SC'd
jimbo...just curious.

Is it possible to clone my own machine and install it to a VM or even Hyper V? I may at some point want to fool around and set up my own network. I'd be nice to have One MS Server 2022 VM and a few Windows 11 VMs.
Hi there
I've installed Server 2022 as a VM (you can get a 180 day free trial from Ms site-- great for learning about Windows servers -- install the GUI version though -- and it's fun "converting it to a desktop / workstation OS" -- really performs like greased lightning compared to standard Windows. I've some intructions on how to do that too !!! that you can post later.

Converting a physical machine to a VM is usually the easy way round -- backup current OS to say a Macrium image. Create a VM with sufficient HDD space to restore the image on. Ensure the Disk VM is SATA otherwise restore won't see any HDD's. Create a Macrium ISO stand alone recovery system. Restore the Windows image to the VM disk. Run the Fix boot problems or from the command line in the macrium restore program re-install the boot loader on the "restored image" disk, change the VM config to boot from that disk and boot. might be a few drivers update for the VM but it should work decently.

I've even managed to have a "Multi boot" VM system -- i.e a single VM definition with a choice of OS'es to boot.

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All done in using VHDX files -- these work both on VM's and Physical machines -- no need to install HYPER-V to use VHDX files.

Note if "Cloning a physical Windows" to a VM ensure all "Non windows data" is moved off the Windows partition / HDD. You should be able to manage easily with a 60 GB Windows partition if you just have Windows apps e.g Office etc and other 3rd party apps e.g Media players etc. Move all Media files etc away from the Windows partition.

Cheers
jimbo
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows XP,7,10,11 Linux Arch Linux
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    2 X Intel i7
Are you saying you do not know how to use Macrium Reflect to make images ?
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Skylake Special X299
    CPU
    Intel Core i9 9900X
    Motherboard
    Asus ROG Strix X299-E Gaming II
    Memory
    GSkill Trident Z RGB 32GB 3600 16-16-16-36 (F4-3600C16Q-32GTZR)
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA RTX 3080 12GB FTW3 Ultra Gaming (12G-P5-4877-KL)
    Sound Card
    Supreme FX
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Asus PG279Q
    Screen Resolution
    2560 x 1440 165Hz
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 980 Pro 500GB x2, Seagate Barracuda 4TB x2, Western Digital Black 4TB x1
    PSU
    EVGA 1200 P2, EVGA Black Custom Braided Cables
    Case
    Thermaltake View 31 Tempered Glass Limited Edition
    Cooling
    Corsair H115i, Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut
    Keyboard
    Logitech G910 Orion Spark
    Mouse
    Logitech G700s, Asus ROG GX860 Buzzard
    Internet Speed
    Verizon Fios Quantum Gateway 75/75
    Browser
    Edge
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender, Malwarebytes 4.5.2
    Other Info
    Thermaltake Riing Duo 14 x3, Thermaltake Riing Plus 14 x2, Corsair HS70 Pro Wireless Headset
  • Operating System
    Windows 10 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Skylake Special Z170
    CPU
    Intel Core i7 6700K
    Motherboard
    Asus Sabertooth Z170 Mark 1
    Memory
    GSkill Trident Z RGB 16GB 3600 16-16-16-36 (F4-3600C16D-16GTZR)
    Graphics card(s)
    EVGA GTX 980 Ti SC x2, EVGA Pro SLI Bridge
    Sound Card
    Realtek High Definition
    Monitor(s) Displays
    AOC G2460PG
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080 144Hz
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 870 Evo 500GB, Seagate Barracuda 4TB x2
    PSU
    EVGA 1000 P2, EVGA White Custom Braided Cables
    Case
    Corsair Vengeance C70 Gunmetal Black
    Cooling
    Corsair H100i v2, Corsair ML120 x2, Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut
    Mouse
    Logitech G500s
    Keyboard
    Logitech G910 Orion Spectrum
    Internet Speed
    Verizon Fios Quantum Gateway 75/75
    Browser
    Edge
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender, Malwarebytes 4.5.2
    Other Info
    Corsair SP120 x4, LG Blu-ray Drive, Durabrand HT-395 100 Watt Dolby Digital Amp

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