Unable to connect to devices on an APIPA Network


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I have a network thrown together that is for sending audio via Dante for an event, this Network just uses APIPA to give each device an IP Address. These hosts are able to send audio to the Audio Mixer as well as be seen by a MacBook that logs in to the wireless kits to manage microphone signals. All this to say this network works, when connecting a windows 11 machine to the network to manage the wireless kits, the windows 11 computer is unable to ping any of the auto-configuration addresses. As a test bed, I took two completely unrelated window hosts and put them on a switch disconnected from a DHCP server and attempted to ping each other and failed. Everything I'm reading about APIPA says this should just work like you set static IPs on everything.

Does anyone know what needs to be done to get windows to talk to hosts on a APIPA network? I spent an hour searching the web to find that no one has even asked this question in the last 20 years. Thanks in advance.
 
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Did you try with the firewall turned off?
Windows might be blocking the return ICMP packets.
 

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If the Windows clients don't get configured automatically (DHCP) when connected, you might have to manually set their IP addresses, Network Mask, Gateway, and DNS servers. Right-click on the network icon on the taskbar and select Open Network & Internet Settings. First see the Network Properties top center. If it is set to public, then you must set it to private in order to be able to ping and access shared resources. Check access again. If the issue persists, you might have to switch from Auto (DHCP) to Manual settings. In that case, click on Advanced Network Settings, expand your network connection and then click on the Edit button next to More adapter options. Select the Internet Protocol version 4 (TCP/IPv4) and click Properties. Then click on Use the following IP address and set the IP of the computer same to the IP of the host except the last number which must be different for each device. The Network mask it is usually 255.255.255.0 The Gateway is the IP of the host device or the router, if any. You can try leaving the DNS to auto and see if it works. If it doesn't, set the first DNS server to the IP of the host device.
 

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Hughbris said:
Did you try with the firewall turned off?
Windows might be blocking the return ICMP packets.
Click to expand...
So I put my test case back together and tried this, (with the event network, I was told this was tried and did not solve anything) and still wasn't able to ping or connect until I ran "arp -a". My working theory is that by default windows does not collect ARP packets and create records for Ethernet routing on auto-configuration addresses and having the arp command list the records causes it to do so. Unfortunately, the event I was talking about is now in full swing without the windows host and they aren't going to start plugging things in to the Dante network with an on-going production in the room. If anyone else has this issue and finds that this solution works please add to this thread, I will do the same if I get more information or run in to this issue again.


spapakons said:
If the Windows clients don't get configured automatically (DHCP) when connected, you might have to manually set their IP addresses, Network Mask, Gateway, and DNS servers. Right-click on the network icon on the taskbar and select Open Network & Internet Settings. First see the Network Properties top center. If it is set to public, then you must set it to private in order to be able to ping and access shared resources. Check access again. If the issue persists, you might have to switch from Auto (DHCP) to Manual settings. In that case, click on Advanced Network Settings, expand your network connection and then click on the Edit button next to More adapter options. Select the Internet Protocol version 4 (TCP/IPv4) and click Properties. Then click on Use the following IP address and set the IP of the computer same to the IP of the host except the last number which must be different for each device. The Network mask it is usually 255.255.255.0 The Gateway is the IP of the host device or the router, if any. You can try leaving the DNS to auto and see if it works. If it doesn't, set the first DNS server to the IP of the host device.
Click to expand...
I'm not going to have them, and they will not re-address an already working network just to get a windows client working. I understand how all of that stuff works, it's just not an option.
 

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I was talking about manually configuring the Windows computers, not any other device. Most times they default to public profile for each new network and you have to switch it to private so they can see shared resources and communicate with other devices on the network. If the network is already in private profile, then you should consider to manually configure TCP/IP. Otherwise the auto settings (DHCP) should work fine with the private profile. Just connect one computer to the network, confirm the network is set to private and see if you can ping other devices.
 

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    Realtek HD audio (ALC887)
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    Sony Bravia KDL-19L4000 19" LCD TV via VGA
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Nice find, I was fooling around with a couple of Windows instances in a VM on their own non-dhcp network segment - I also used arp -a and got working pings, but I didn't occur to me that the arp command itself was the magic ingredient, between pinging and adjusting firewall settings...
 

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New security changes make even Windows 10 difficult to share or access shared resources on Windows 11. There is a specific error message when you try to connect on a shared printer due to changes at some protocol handling. If the shared printer was already connected, after installing some updates you see an error message when trying to print. This issue is resolved with a Registry hack to replace the new protocol with the old working one. Once you do it on the host computer you can then access the shared printer an any computer including those running Windows 7 or even Windows XP. Microsoft must learn that security is important but backwards compatibility is also important. Windows are famous for their backwards compatibility that they can run very old applications and use old drivers (Vista 64-bit or higher and even XP x64 drivers for some devices). Microsoft please never change that.

For more details see this thread:

Error 0x00000709 when connecting to shared printer Windows 11 22H2

Hello! We recently upgraded our work computer from Windows 10 to Windows 11 64-bit 22H2 and also did a clean installation of Windows 11 22H2 at another computer. Neither of the two could connect to our shared printer with error 0x00000709. After a little Google search I discovered that this had...
www.elevenforum.com www.elevenforum.com

PS: I don't think the OP case is related, but have that in mind just in case.
 

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    Mobile DualCore Intel Core 2 Duo T7250, 2000 MHz
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    Mobile Intel(R) GMA 4500M (Mobile 4 series)
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    Realtek ALC268 @ Intel 82801IB ICH9 - High Definition Audio Controller
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    Legacy MBR installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, no WDDM 2.0 graphics drivers, no SSE4.2, cannot get more unsupported ;) This is only my test laptop. I had installed Windows 11 here before upgrading my main PC. For my main PC I use everyday see my 2nd system specs.

  • At a glance

    Windows 11 Pro v25H2 (build 26200.8655)Intel Core-i7 3770 3.40GHz s1155 (3rd generat...2x Kingston Hyper-X Blu 8GB DDR3-1600GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 3050 WINDFORCE OC V2 6GB...
    Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro v25H2 (build 26200.8655)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom-built PC
    CPU
    Intel Core-i7 3770 3.40GHz s1155 (3rd generation)
    Motherboard
    Asus P8H61 s1155 ATX
    Memory
    2x Kingston Hyper-X Blu 8GB DDR3-1600
    Graphics card(s)
    GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 3050 WINDFORCE OC V2 6GB (GV-N3050WF2OCV2-6GD)
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD audio (ALC887)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia KDL-19L4000 19" LCD TV via VGA
    Screen Resolution
    1440x900 32-bit 60Hz
    Hard Drives
    WD Blue SA510 2.5 1000GB SSD as system disk, Western Digital Caviar Purple 4TB SATA III (WD40PURZ) as second
    PSU
    Thermaltake Litepower RGB 550W Full Wired
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    SUPERCASE MIDI-TOWER
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    Deepcool Gamma Archer CPU cooler, 1x 8cm fan at the back
    Keyboard
    Mitsumi 101-key PS/2
    Mouse
    Sunnyline OptiEye PS/2
    Internet Speed
    100Mbps
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge, Mozilla Firefox
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Windows Defender
    Other Info
    Legacy BIOS (MBR) installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, WDDM 3.0 graphics drivers, WEI score 7.4
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