Update on Windows 11 minimum system requirements

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UPDATE 8/27: Update on Windows 11 minimum system requirements and PC Health Check app

Windows Insiders,

Today we’re releasing our first Insider build for Windows 11, and we’re looking forward to the insight that comes from you installing and using on a variety of your PCs. Last week’s introduction of Windows 11 signaled the first step on our journey to empower people with the next generation of Windows. With a new generation comes an opportunity to adapt software and hardware to keep pace with people’s computing needs today and in the future.

The intention of today’s post is to acknowledge and clarify the confusion caused by our PC Health Check tool, share more details as to why we updated the system requirements for Windows 11 and set the path for how we will learn and adjust. Below you will find changes we are making based on that feedback, including ensuring we have the ability for Windows Insiders to install Windows 11 on 7th generation processors to give us more data about performance and security, updating our PC Health check app to provide more clarity, and committing to more technical detail on the principles behind our decisions. With Windows 11, we are focused on increasing security, improving reliability, and ensuring compatibility. This is what drives our decisions.

Why new Windows 11 minimum system requirements

Windows 11 is designed and built as a complete set of experiences, unlocking the full power of the PC our customers have come to rely on, including in areas like security, reliability, compatibility, video conferencing, multitasking, playing, creating, building, learning and more. We need a minimum system requirement that enables us to adapt software and hardware to keep pace with people’s expectations, needs and harness the true value and power of the PC to deliver the best experiences, now and in the future. To do that, we were guided by the following principles:
  1. Security. Windows 11 raises the bar for security by requiring hardware that can enable protections like Windows Hello, Device Encryption, virtualization-based security (VBS), hypervisor-protected code integrity (HVCI) and Secure Boot. The combination of these features has been shown to reduce malware by 60% on tested devices. To meet the principle, all Windows 11 supported CPUs have an embedded TPM, support secure boot, and support VBS and specific VBS capabilities.
  2. Reliability. Devices upgraded to Windows 11 will be in a supported and reliable state. By choosing CPUs that have adopted the new Windows Driver model and are supported by our OEM and silicon partners who are achieving a 99.8% crash free experience.
  3. Compatibility. Windows 11 is designed to be compatible with the apps you use. It has the fundamentals of >1GHz, 2-core processors, 4GB memory, and 64GB of storage, aligning with our minimum system requirements for Office and Microsoft Teams.
Using the principles above, we are confident that devices running on Intel 8th generation processors and AMD Zen 2 as well as Qualcomm 7 and 8 Series will meet our principles around security and reliability and minimum system requirements for Windows 11. As we release to Windows Insiders and partner with our OEMs, we will test to identify devices running on Intel 7th generation and AMD Zen 1 that may meet our principles. We’re committed to sharing updates with you on the results of our testing over time, as well as sharing additional technical blogs.

PC Health Check App

See if PC meets Requirements for Windows 11 with PC Health Check app

With these minimum system requirements in mind, the PC Health Check app was intended to help people check if their current Windows 10 PC could upgrade to Windows 11. Based on the feedback so far, we acknowledge that it was not fully prepared to share the level of detail or accuracy you expected from us on why a Windows 10 PC doesn’t meet upgrade requirements. We are temporarily removing the app so that our teams can address the feedback. We will get it back online in preparation for general availability this fall. In the meantime, you can visit our minimum system requirements page here to learn more.

First build of Windows 11 available to Windows Insiders today

Today, we’re releasing the first preview build of Windows 11 to the Windows Insider community. In support of the Windows 11 system requirements, we’ve set the bar for previewing in our Windows Insider Program to match the minimum system requirements for Windows 11, with the exception for TPM 2.0 and CPU family/model. By providing preview builds to the diverse systems in our Windows Insider Program, we will learn how Windows 11 performs across CPU models more comprehensively, informing any adjustments we should make to our minimum system requirements in the future. We look forward to the product feedback and learnings as it’s an important step to prepare Windows 11 for general availability this year – thank you to the Windows Insider community for your excitement and feedback thus far!

UPDATED 6/28 at 10:24am PDT.


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Microsoft is considering changing their policy about the minimum requirement for the CPU concerning the 7th gen after I sent them a feedback that 7th gen and 8th gen have the same microarchitecture and even the same ID and Microcode.

There is no reason to exclude the 7th gen other than financial and economical reasons.
 

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Microsoft will release a new PC health check soon, let's hope they update the CPU list.
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What generation is my processors? The HP Desktop has an Intel Core i3-4170 CPU rated at 3.70GHz. My HP Laptop has an AMD E2-9000e RADEON R2. What generation are these 2 processors?
 

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What generation is my processors? The HP Desktop has an Intel Core i3-4170 CPU rated at 3.70GHz. My HP Laptop has an AMD E2-9000e RADEON R2. What generation are these 2 processors?
4170 = 4th gen on the core i3. I don't know how generations are reckoned in AMD land.
 

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4170 = 4th gen on the core i3. I don't know how generations are reckoned in AMD land.
It probably won't be supported. But hopefully it will. I don't know. They are working on 7th gens.
 

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I saw the app had been withdrawn when I was going to check sons gaming pc. It was new at Christmas and meets all the requirements so assume it will run W11 but couldn’t check with the app!

What they need is two versions. One for TPM 2 and one for TPM 1.2.
 

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This is still slightly vague, but see 11 requirements. MS is serious about the CPU requirements, supposedly due to some hardware capabilities. Even if they stick to those, the ability to do a normal installation may be extended to some Gen 7 Intel CPUs, and some AMD ones, that are currently not on the list.
 

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First let me say I think MS has a difficult job. They must try to be all things to all people and that ain’t easy. No matter how they try, a lot of people are going to be unhappy no matter what they do. However, regarding the new requirements for Windows 11, I believe their decision regarding the choice of minimum processor i.e., 8th Gen or better is being driven solely for monetary reasons. Let me explain. I watched the webcast on the 24th and heard Panay say that he had been in contact with their partners, HP, Dell, Lenovo etc. As we know, the PC market prior to the pandemic had been very weak especially in the desktop arena. Now as we know from the last 12 months, sales skyrocketed. I do not think it too much of a stretch to believe that MS saw this and realized that if they released a new OS now, with new hardware requirements, they would sell more licenses because there are thousands and thousands of 6th and 7th Gen processors out there that will not meet the new requirement. And obviously this will help the manufactures that will see increased sales because people will have to buy a new PC to meet hardware requirements. With regards to the new security requirements, I personally see no problem with them. Security is something we all should strive for and am glad to see MS set some PC requirements. I know many say, let me worry about my own security, and I agree. However, we computer geeks are not the masses who know little to nothing about security. I currently am running a Gen 7 i7 processor, 16GB Ram and have 700GB of free space on my SSD. I have verified I am running TPM 2.0 and that it is active and running. Secure boot is on. My machine is MORE than capable I am sure, even at this early date from what I can see others are running 11 on machines with 7 and even 6th Gen processors. I know it is early and I see that MS is going to test with 7th gen processors. I hope they change their minds and allow these earlier processors. Just one mans opinion. What do you think?
 

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I know it is early and I see that MS is going to test with 7th gen processors. I hope they change their minds and allow these earlier processors.

If the systems containing the 7th generation CPUs are allowed to update, then they should allow the same for the 6th on princible. Kaby Lakes are architecturally identical to Skylakes, but their manufacturing process was better optimized and they often have higher clock speeds than their Skylake counterparts. Both support the TPM 2.0 standard.
 

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If the systems containing the 7th generation CPUs are allowed to update, then they should allow the same for the 6th on princible. Kaby Lakes are architecturally identical to Skylakes, but their manufacturing process was better optimized and they often have higher clock speeds than their Skylake counterparts. Both support the TPM 2.0 standard.


6th gen are not the same as 7th gen, 6th gen is more vulnerable as far as I know.

In this well explained wiki page and a very good table you see what CPUs microarchitectures, you can see that 6th gen sits alone, while the 7th gen and the 8th gen sit together in the same box.

In this Affected Processors Intel page you can also see the 6th gen sits alone as well, while the 7th gen and 8th gen again sit together in the same boxes
 

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After reading some of the "users need to buy a new computer" post I'm taking the tape off of my mouth for a second to give my opinion. No one has to buy a new computer because of Windows 11 and the end of support for Windows 10 in 2025. The end of Windows 10 support in 2025 doesn't mean they won't be able to use their devices. It just means no more updates. I'm sure if they're using a security program that it will continue to get updates past the October 2025 cutoff date. The average user will be fine if they continue running Windows 10 on the systems they have now. Most users don't want or need the latest and greatest. The average user just wants a device that does what they need done. When the time comes and the average user has to buy a new device chances are it will have Windows 11 preinstalled. I also think it's time for MS to look more to the future and stop worrying about support for ancient hardware. I don't agree with were they drew the line for what devices can run Windows 11.
 

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After reading some of the "users need to buy a new computer" post I'm taking the tape off of my mouth for a second to give my opinion. No one has to buy a new computer because of Windows 11 and the end of support for Windows 10 in 2025. The end of Windows 10 support in 2025 doesn't mean they won't be able to use their devices. It just means no more updates. I'm sure if they're using a security program that it will continue to get updates past the October 2025 cutoff date. The average user will be fine if they continue running Windows 10 on the systems they have now. Most users don't want or need the latest and greatest. The average user just wants a device that does what they need done. When the time comes and the average user has to buy a new device chances are it will have Windows 11 preinstalled. I also think it's time for MS to look more to the future and stop worrying about support for ancient hardware. I don't agree with were they drew the line for what devices can run Windows 11.
I think adding the Secure Boot and TPM crap is MS way of forcing people to buy new computers. It's all about money. . Honestly, the majority of all of us here, and millions of people know how to build their own. I'm glad I taught myself over 10 years ago how to build my own. I'd be buying a new PC everytime MS put out a new update cuz they said to. . . lol
 

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After reading some of the "users need to buy a new computer" post I'm taking the tape off of my mouth for a second to give my opinion. No one has to buy a new computer because of Windows 11 and the end of support for Windows 10 in 2025. The end of Windows 10 support in 2025 doesn't mean they won't be able to use their devices. It just means no more updates. I'm sure if they're using a security program that it will continue to get updates past the October 2025 cutoff date. The average user will be fine if they continue running Windows 10 on the systems they have now. Most users don't want or need the latest and greatest. The average user just wants a device that does what they need done. When the time comes and the average user has to buy a new device chances are it will have Windows 11 preinstalled. I also think it's time for MS to look more to the future and stop worrying about support for ancient hardware. I don't agree with were they drew the line for what devices can run Windows 11.
I support over a dozen PCs and laptops for my extended family. Of these, only ONE passes the Win11 upgrade checks. Am I happy about that? Of course not! But I'm not going ballistic, either -- as some folks are.

As you and others have pointed out, we have four YEARS to sort this out -- not four MONTHS.

We do NOT have to run out now and spend LOTS of money to buy new Windows 11 PC in November, and we do not have to pay a king's ransom today to add TPM 2.0 to our PCs.

If folks really want to try out Win11 today, there are work arounds to get it to install NOW, even if the PC fails many of the hardware checks. I have successfully installed the Preview on two 10-year old PCs that fail MOST of the hardware checks. Did that purely out of curiosity to see if they would RUN Windows 11. And they both do -- without any issues. And yeah, I will be restoring both of them to Windows 10 in a while.

Folks really need to calm down about this.
 

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Calm down.

Just got off the phone with Supermicro and Gigabyte on the TPM thingy.

Surpermicro, TPM 2.0, type is a AOM-TPM-9665V-C(vertical mount), for the 20 pin header on my MB (MOBO Gigabyte z87x ud4h, i7 4790k processor). Supermicro could not provide any assistance on driver needed or provisioning needed for this MB. Advised to call Gigabyte.

Gigabyte call. Very informative. No TPM support for WIN 11 at this time. However, my MB and processor will be compatible with new TPM. They, gigabyte, are in the early stages to engineering and production of a compatible TPM module for Win 11. That module and all supporting software should be available at a later date for sale to general public.

If your mother board has a TPM header call your board maker for particulars imo.

07/01/2021 @ 2:16 PM
Notice from Gigabyte. Boards with socket 1150 will not support Win 11 at this time.
 
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6th gen are not the same as 7th gen, 6th gen is more vulnerable as far as I know.

In this well explained wiki page and a very good table you see what CPUs microarchitectures, you can see that 6th gen sits alone, while the 7th gen and the 8th gen sit together in the same box.

In this Affected Processors Intel page you can also see the 6th gen sits alone as well, while the 7th gen and 8th gen again sit together in the same boxes

How do you know Skylakes are more vulnerable? Intel began manufacturing Kaby Lakes in 2016-2017, a year or two before those vulnerabilities became public knowledge. It's certainly possible (but unlikely, because Intel) that the manufacturing process included some security optimizations, or maybe Intel released more microcode updates for their newer CPUs, but my understanding was that the 9th generation was the first where Intel made a real effort to beef up security. All sources that I've seen make no distinction between 6th and 7th.

Looking at that table of CPUs, it seems like neither 6th or 7th generations have any hardware fixes to the vulnerabilities listed, and you begin to see those starting from 9th generation Coffee Lake refreshes. Some of the different generations may be lumped together because they are based on the same architecture, only named differently. This is common practice with GPUs.
 
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I think adding the Secure Boot and TPM crap is MS way of forcing people to buy new computers. It's all about money. . Honestly, the majority of all of us here, and millions of people know how to build their own. I'm glad I taught myself over 10 years ago how to build my own. I'd be buying a new PC everytime MS put out a new update cuz they said to. . . lol
How is it forcing people to buy a new computer? Did I miss the part where MS said that we have to upgrade to Windows 11 because Windows 10 is going to stop running in the very near future? Even after the end of support for Windows 10 the computers running Windows 10 will still work. The average person does NOT have to upgrade to Windows 11. I own a 2017 Ram pickup. By that logic I should have traded it in on a 2018 then a 2019 and so on. Ram is making me buy a new truck just as much as MS making us buy a new computer.
 

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How do you know Skylakes are more vulnerable? Intel began manufacturing Kaby Lakes in 2016-2017, a year or two before those vulnerabilities became public knowledge. It's certainly possible (but unlikely, because Intel) that the manufacturing process included some security optimizations, or maybe Intel released more microcode updates for their newer CPUs, but my understanding was that the 8th generation was the first where Intel made an effort to beef up security. All sources that I've seen make no distinction between 6th and 7th.

Looking at that table of CPUs, it seems like neither 6th or 7th generations have any hardware fixes to the vulnerabilities listed, and you begin to see those starting from 9th generation Coffee Lake refreshes. Some of the different generations may be lumped together because they are based on the same architecture, only named differently. This is common practice with GPUs.

I have said before in the tensforum, maybe you are new here.

The 7th gen and the 8th gen have the same release notes (errata document) which lists the know CVE and erratum, while the 6th gen has its own release note document

The 7th and 8th gen have 145 known errata with possible solutions if exist, while the the 6th gen has 198 known errata.

I hope this will clarify things for you.

p.s don't trust sources online, just go back to the origin :)
 

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