Solved Updated 24H2 to 26100.5074 Now Can't Connect to Other Computer


Hello to all following this thread. I believe I have the fix for those experiencing this issue since installing the 26100.5074 (KB5064081) preview build or 26100.6584 (KB5065426) that was released to the public yesterday. This also affects RDP Remote Desktop. (Trying to list as many related terms as possible for SEO).

Take a look in your System Event Log on the target machine and see if you see the following error when you try to connect remotely:
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LSA(LsaSrv) Event ID 6167 "There is a partial mismatch in the machine ID. This indicates that the ticket has either been manipulated or it belongs to a different boot session. Failing authentication."

If you're getting the above, download PsGetSid, included with PsTools and check the SID on all affected machines. They should all be different, but if any of them match each other, that is what's causing this issue to occur. This update seems to change the way auth hashes are mapped, and instead of using hostnames, it is now using the SID.

The SID can be changed using a utility called SIDCHG, which is not technically free, but they do allow for a 30-day evaluation using a trial key on that page that they appear to update monthly. It does it fairly nondestructively, moreso than sysprep, but it will wipe any credentials stored in your vault, and could affect some licensed software and the like, it may need to be reactivated (i.e. Adobe products).

sysprep /generalize will also accomplish an SID change, but will wipe a lot more (drivers, computer name, any encrypted files, some settings, and like above will also wipe vault credentials and can affect software activation etc.

For this reason, if you're having this issue across only 2 machines, you could always just change 1 instead of both, and choose to do it on the one that has less potential things to have to set back up (although depending on how you ended up with duplicate SIDs in the first place, not changing all affected PCs could lead to this happening again in the future if another new PC is introduced with that same SID).

In my case, the issue was occurring across 4 identical PCs that came from the same OEM at the same time. Not sure what they did in their imaging process to cause it, but all 4 did have identical SIDs. Properly sysprepped images should not have this happen, but this could definitely result from things like drive clones and restoring a different PC from anothers' full-drive backup.

Bless You!! I've been working at this for a while and thought it could be connected to the machines being cloned, but couldn't figure it out. Now we can get the network back to normal. Thank You Again!!!
 

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Does anyone know how to fix this issue?
 

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My problem computers were cloned too.
 

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I'm incredibly grateful I found this thread before I reached my breaking point. Like many others, I tried every possible fix, especially since it was clear the issue only appeared between cloned machines. I ended up running the trial version of the SID changer utility mentioned in earlier posts - worked flawlessly. No activation errors from any programs, and the only hiccup thus far was with my Outlook profile, which was easily resolved. Stratesave... YEAH BABY !
 

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Hello to all following this thread. I believe I have the fix for those experiencing this issue since installing the 26100.5074 (KB5064081) preview build or 26100.6584 (KB5065426) that was released to the public yesterday. This also affects RDP Remote Desktop. (Trying to list as many related terms as possible for SEO).

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In my case, the issue was occurring across 4 identical PCs that came from the same OEM at the same time. Not sure what they did in their imaging process to cause it, but all 4 did have identical SIDs. Properly sysprepped images should not have this happen, but this could definitely result from things like drive clones and restoring a different PC from anothers' full-drive backup.
Interestingly, the Wikipedia article on SIDs (link jumps to the article’s relevant section) had this to say about duplicated ones:
A common method of mass-producing Windows PCs is to install Windows on a template machine, and duplicate its disk sector by sector to other identical machines. As a result, these mass-produced machines are identical in every respect, including their SIDs.

Microsoft engineer Mark Russinovich is the creator of a utility called NewSID, the purpose of which is to solve "The SID Duplication Problem." Microsoft has retired the utility on November 2, 2009, because, Mark and the Windows security team have concluded that duplicate SIDs do not pose any problem whatsoever.
 

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"Microsoft engineer Mark Russinovich is the creator of a utility called NewSID, the purpose of which is to solve "The SID Duplication Problem." Microsoft has retired the utility on November 2, 2009, because, Mark and the Windows security team have concluded that duplicate SIDs do not pose any problem whatsoever."

This seems like it's quite a problem. I wonder if Microsoft will fix it.
 

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"Microsoft engineer Mark Russinovich is the creator of a utility called NewSID, the purpose of which is to solve "The SID Duplication Problem." Microsoft has retired the utility on November 2, 2009, because, Mark and the Windows security team have concluded that duplicate SIDs do not pose any problem whatsoever."

This seems like it's quite a problem. I wonder if Microsoft will fix it.
I haven't yet hit this problem, but you can still find NEWSID for download at various sites.

Here's one of the many sites I see it on: NewSID
 

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I haven't yet hit this problem, but you can still find NEWSID for download at various sites.

Here's one of the many sites I see it on: NewSID
So I downloaded it copied the .exe file from inside the .zip file and then ran the .exe file and was told it can't access my SID. Humm...what's that mean?


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I have no idea, I just ran it here, it found my SID just fine. Since it says it couldn't access it, my guess is you didn't run it as Admin.

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This seems like it's quite a problem. I wonder if Microsoft will fix it.
There’s nothing to fix. The supported method for cloning Windows is to sysprep the installation first, which preps all kinds of things for cloning, not just the machine SID.
 

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There’s nothing to fix. The supported method for cloning Windows is to sysprep the installation first, which preps all kinds of things for cloning, not just the machine SID.
So, which cloning software uses that sysprep mechanism?
 

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    Seagate 4TB Ironwolf, rotating HDD archive files
    External off-line backup Drives: 2 NVMe 4TB drives in external enclosures
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    32GB DDR5
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    Intel 700 Embedded GPU
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    Realtek Embedded
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    27" HP 1080p
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    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Crucial P310 2TB 2280 PCIe Gen4 eD NAND PCIe SSD
    Samsung EVO 990 2TB NVMe Gen4 SSD
    Samsung 2TB SATA SSD
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    Thermaltake Smart BM3 650W
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    Okinos Micro ATX Case
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    Fans
    Keyboard
    Microsoft Comfort Curve 2000
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    Logitech G305
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    Verizon FiOS 1GB
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    Firefox
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    Malware Bytes & Windows Defender Security
Can anyone explain how to use sysprep to fix a system that's a copy of one that's been in use for years?

As for newsid, Sysinternals stopped supporting it back in 2021, and their web site says Microsoft has disavowed it.


As for the suggested alternative, sidchg, go to their web site and look at the numerous things it changes and the conditions it imposes to make those changes, including disabling Bitlocker and decrypting drives before using it. It's a non-starter for me.


I had a PC made from spare parts that I thought would be nice to configure as a ready-to-go backup PC after I built my new one, but dealing with either of those programs is beyond what I'm comfortable doing. I'll just restore an image of my main PC to it if the time should ever come, that is, unless someone can instruct me on how to use sysprep, because it seemed to me it's for use on fresh installs.

ETA: I see I've posted to a different thread on this subject than the one last week. Off to review what's been said here. :)

ETA2: OK, having reviewed the thread, I have nothing to add or change to my post.
 

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