upgrading question


corvairbob

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win10 64 bit 20h2 ver. now it is 21h1
some time ago i got a notice about win11. i posted that on the win10 forum and at that time i was told it was a hoax. well now it seems to be real. anyway i downloaded the compatibility app and it looks like my tpm is 1.2 and my processor is AMD A4-3310MX APU with Radeon(tm) HD Graphics 2.10 GHz and my secure boot is legacy but i think i can change that on all my probooks to the uefi and i'm hoping i might be able to get a new cpu for them but i can't find a way to upgrade the tpm.

“Legacy” BIOS (also known as “CSM” Mode) to UEFI/BIOS (Unified Extensible Firmware Interface)

i had to change hard drives some time back and i changed the boot from uefi to legacy so windows would let me register the os. so now i guess i can change it back but if i can't do that then in a few years i may be screwed and have to spring for newer pcs. kind of like chromebook did when they just stopped supporting the older perfectly good chrome book because they were not selling many newer books. so now it looks like widows is doing the same thing to make us junk out perfectly good running pcs.

anyway does anyone happen to know if windows may provide updates for the tpm driver for the older pcs or maybe the mfg. of them? according the the pc health app all the rest of my pcs are good but for the tpm and the cpu and i'm hoping hp will have a compatible cpu for my probooks that win11 likes. i have 6470b 6465b and 6460b probooks. thanks bp
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    win10 64 bit 20h2 ver. now it is 21h1
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    hp probook
    CPU
    AMD A4-3310MX APU with Ra
    Memory
    8gb
The upgrade from TPM 1.2 to 2.0 is a hardware upgrade, not a driver upgrade.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Homebuilt
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7 3800XT
    Motherboard
    ASUS ROG Crosshair VII Hero (WiFi)
    Memory
    32GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Education
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Inspiron 7773
    CPU
    Intel i7-8550U
    Memory
    32GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Nvidia Geforce MX150
    Sound Card
    Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    17"
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    Toshiba 512GB NVMe SSD
    SK Hynix 512GB SATA SSD
    Internet Speed
    Fast!
ok seem one website disagrees but i figure you guys know more about it because your the win11 people. thanks for the help i guess i will drag out win10 and see if windows gets so much flack that they either find a go around, or i will covert over to linux. for what i do online i'm not getting a new pc for hundreds of $ just to bank and email. so i have a linux pc i will break it back out and learn how to use that i guess. but lets how it goes. thanks
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    win10 64 bit 20h2 ver. now it is 21h1
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    hp probook
    CPU
    AMD A4-3310MX APU with Ra
    Memory
    8gb
i have 6470b 6465b and 6460b probooks.
According to HP's specs for the Probook 6470b it has a 3rd gen Intel processor. The minimum suppoted Intel processor for Windows 11 is 8th gen or newer (a very few 7th gen were recently added to the list). So it won't be offered Windows 11 through Windows update. The other two are older models, so won't be supported either.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Aspire 3 A315-23
    CPU
    AMD Athlon Silver 3050U
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Radeon Graphics
    Monitor(s) Displays
    laptop screen
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768 native resolution, up to 2560x1440 with Radeon Virtual Super Resolution
    Hard Drives
    1TB Samsung EVO 870 SSD
    Internet Speed
    50 Mbps
    Browser
    Edge, Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October. Windows Update offered the 22H2 Feature Update on 20th September 2022. It got the 23H2 Feature Update on 4th November 2023 through Windows Update.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro (and all my Hyper-V VMs).

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Dev, Beta, and RP 24H2 as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 4GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus the Insider Beta, Dev, Canary, and Release Preview builds as a native boot .vhdx.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Lattitude E4310
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ i5-520M
    Motherboard
    0T6M8G
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics card(s)
    (integrated graphics) Intel HD Graphics
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Hard Drives
    500GB Crucial MX500 SSD
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround. In-place upgrade to 22H2 using ISO and a workaround. Feature Update to 23H2 by manually installing the Enablement Package. Also running Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro (and all my Hyper-V VMs).

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Dev, Beta, and RP 24H2 as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 4GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus the Insider Beta, Dev, Canary, and Release Preview builds as a native boot .vhdx.
The current Microsoft position is that unqualified PCs won't be offered 11 through Windows Update.

You ought to be able to install 11 manually, by downloading the ISO. You will be able to get the ISO using Microsoft's Media Creation Tool, or sooner from uupdum.net. (The install might require some hacking, which I have not done so far.)

Microsoft has said that they may not update such installations, and that may include not doing security updates. Time will tell.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 22631.2861
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    homebuilt
    CPU
    Amd Threadripper 7970X
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte TRX50 Aero D
    Memory
    128GB (4 X 32) Kingston DDR5 5200 (RDIMM)
    Graphics Card(s)
    Gigabyte RTX 4090 OC
    Sound Card
    none (USB to speakers), Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Philips 27E1N8900 OLED
    Screen Resolution
    3840 X 2160 @ 60Hz
    Hard Drives
    Crucial T700 2TB M.2 NVME SSD
    WD 4TB Blue SATA SSD
    Seagate 18TB IronWolf Pro
    PSU
    eVGA SuperNOVA 1600 GT
    Case
    Lian Li 011 Dynamic Evo XL
    Cooling
    Alphacool Eisbaer Pro Aurora 360, with 3 Phanteks T30 fans
    Keyboard
    Logitech K120 (wired)
    Mouse
    Logitech M500s (wired)
    Internet Speed
    1200 Mbps
  • Operating System
    windows 11 22631.2861
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    homebuilt
    CPU
    Intel I9-13900K
    Motherboard
    Asus RoG Strix Z690-E
    Memory
    64GB G.Skill DDR5-6000
    Graphics card(s)
    Gigabyte RTX 3090 ti
    Sound Card
    built in Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Asus PA329C
    Screen Resolution
    3840 X 2160 @60Hz
    Hard Drives
    WDC SN850 1TB
    8 TB Seagate Ironwolf
    4TB Seagate Ironwolf
    PSU
    eVGA SuperNOVA 1300 GT
    Case
    Lian Li 011 Dynamic Evo
    Cooling
    Corsair iCUE H150i ELITE CAPELLIX Liquid CPU Cooler
    Mouse
    Logitech M500s (wired)
    Keyboard
    Logitech K120 (wired)
thanks for all the help. because i have what 5 years before they say they will stop the support i may find another pc. i'm not wanting to just go and get a new pc every time some os company decides to change the systems for the pc builders. but in the next five years or so there just may be a work around. i see some talk of a driver for the tpm and maybe i can change the cpu out. and i think i can sitch the bois from legacy to uefi to get the secure boot to work. other wise i will start learning some linux system that best resembles win10. mayby by then some linux developers will have set up a lookalike linux os to be close to win10. thanks
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    win10 64 bit 20h2 ver. now it is 21h1
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    hp probook
    CPU
    AMD A4-3310MX APU with Ra
    Memory
    8gb

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 10
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP
    CPU
    Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4800MQ CPU @ 2.70GHz
    Motherboard
    Product : 190A Version : KBC Version 94.56
    Memory
    16 GB Total: Manufacturer : Samsung MemoryType : DDR3 FormFactor : SODIMM Capacity : 8GB Speed : 1600
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA Quadro K3100M; Intel(R) HD Graphics 4600
    Sound Card
    IDT High Definition Audio CODEC; PNP Device ID HDAUDIO\FUNC_01&VEN_111D&DEV_76E0
    Hard Drives
    Model Hitachi HTS727575A9E364
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Defender
    Other Info
    Mobile Workstation
Microsoft upgraded my laptop to Windows 11 even though the hardware does not qualify for Windows 11. I decided that rather than wait to have Windows 11 kick my laptop to the curb, I decided to kick Windows 11 to the curb and did a clean install of Windows 10 PRO. The laptop was in need of a clean install and works much better now.

Ak
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Window 11 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    AMD 8700G
    Motherboard
    Asus ROG Strix X670E-E Wifi
    Memory
    G.Skill DDR5 2x32GB EXPO 6000 32-38-38-96
    Graphics Card(s)
    Radeon 5700 XT Gold
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 990 PRO SSD 1 TB
    PSU
    Corsair 860i
    Case
    Cooler Master Haf X
    Cooling
    Corsair H100i
    Keyboard
    Logitech G19
    Mouse
    Logitech G700s
    Internet Speed
    1 GPS up and 1 GPS down
    Browser
    Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    Systen currently being built
Microsoft upgraded my laptop to Windows 11 even though the hardware does not qualify for Windows 11. I decided that rather than wait to have Windows 11 kick my laptop to the curb, I decided to kick Windows 11 to the curb and did a clean install of Windows 10 PRO. The laptop was in need of a clean install and works much better now.

Ak
Glad it worked out for you! And I'm sure there will soon be a whole bunch of threads soon about how Microsoft forced the upgrade to Windows 11 upon unsuspecting users just like there were many, many threads about how Microsoft forced the upgrade to Windows 10 upon unsuspecting users.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Homebuilt
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7 3800XT
    Motherboard
    ASUS ROG Crosshair VII Hero (WiFi)
    Memory
    32GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Education
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Inspiron 7773
    CPU
    Intel i7-8550U
    Memory
    32GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Nvidia Geforce MX150
    Sound Card
    Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    17"
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    Toshiba 512GB NVMe SSD
    SK Hynix 512GB SATA SSD
    Internet Speed
    Fast!
Hmm, I have five machines of which the only one my main laptop is compatible with 11 and I will not upgrade that machine until the 11 version is fairly well sorted out after what went on with the Windows 10 version when it was released.
As for my main desktop which I built well I shall wait until I can afford a new prebuilt machine which has 11 installed on it because to rebuild my old Ivy Bridge although it has a beautiful case and very good quality components would cost too much to buy what is needed ie motherboard, CPU RAM, GPU (and they are eye wateringly expensive now) and plus I am too old to be doing all that changeover.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 (OS Build 22631.3810)
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Asus Vivo notebook X712P
    CPU
    i7 -10510U
    Motherboard
    Asus
    Memory
    Samsung 16GB DDR4 2666 MHz
    Graphics Card(s)
    On board Intel CPU graphics
    Sound Card
    N/a
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Generic
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 970 Pro NMe
    PSU
    N/A
    Case
    N/A
    Cooling
    Asus in built
    Keyboard
    Generic
    Mouse
    Logitec Wireless
    Internet Speed
    50Mbs max allowance - occasionally up to 75Mbs
    Browser
    Brave
    Antivirus
    ESET Smart Security
Microsoft upgraded my laptop to Windows 11 even though the hardware does not qualify for Windows 11. I decided that rather than wait to have Windows 11 kick my laptop to the curb, I decided to kick Windows 11 to the curb and did a clean install of Windows 10 PRO. The laptop was in need of a clean install and works much better now.

Ak

I'm running Windows 11 on my "unsupported (i7-7600U) laptop I use all the time to learn the OS. Prepared to back to10 if necessary, though.

My desktop meets all the 11 requirements but I'm going to wait a bit longer before installing it - going clean install.

Still think it's a bit more responsive than 10 :)
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 (Build 22631.3296)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom built
    CPU
    Intel i9-9900K
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte Aorus Z390 Xtreme
    Memory
    32G (4x8) DDR4 Corsair RGB Dominator Platinum (3600Mhz)
    Graphics Card(s)
    Radeon VII
    Sound Card
    Onboard (ESS Sabre HiFi using Realtek drivers)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    NEC PA242w (24 inch)
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1200
    Hard Drives
    5 Samsung SSD drives: 2X 970 NVME (512 & 1TB), 3X EVO SATA (2X 2TB, 1X 1TB)
    PSU
    EVGA Super Nova I000 G2 (1000 watt)
    Case
    Cooler Master H500M
    Cooling
    Corsair H115i RGB Platinum
    Keyboard
    Logitech Craft
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 3
    Internet Speed
    500mb Download. 11mb Upload
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge Chromium
    Antivirus
    Windows Security
    Other Info
    System used for gaming, photography, music, school.
  • Operating System
    Win 10 Pro 22H2 (build 19045.2130)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom Built
    CPU
    Intel i7-7700K
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte GA-Z270X-GAMING 8
    Memory
    32G (4x8) DDR4 Corsair Dominator Platinum (3333Mhz)
    Graphics card(s)
    AMD Radeon R9 Fury
    Sound Card
    Onboard (Creative Sound Blaster certified ZxRi)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dell U2415 (24 inch)
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1200
    Hard Drives
    3 Samsung SSD drives: 1x 512gig 950 NVMe drive (OS drive), 1 x 512gig 850 Pro, 1x 256gig 840 Pro.
    PSU
    EVGA Super Nova 1000 P2 (1000 watt)
    Case
    Phantek Enthoo Luxe
    Cooling
    Corsair H100i
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master
    Keyboard
    Logitech MK 710
    Internet Speed
    100MB
    Browser
    Edge Chromium
    Antivirus
    Windows Security
    Other Info
    This is my backup system.
Although PC may not meet hardware spec, you can of course install Windows 11 in a virtual machine like HyperV which emulates a TPM 2 module.

Problem is you have to use Windows 10 still which eventually stops getting supported and W11 vm may be quite slow.

Our resident Linux expert @Jimbo runs W11 in a Linux VM which is a possible solution for older devices. Maybe he could write us a guide or even a tutorial if we ask him nicely?
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 10 Pro + others in VHDs
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS Vivobook 14
    CPU
    I7
    Motherboard
    Yep, Laptop has one.
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Integrated Intel Iris XE
    Sound Card
    Realtek built in
    Monitor(s) Displays
    N/A
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    1 TB Optane NVME SSD, 1 TB NVME SSD
    PSU
    Yep, got one
    Case
    Yep, got one
    Cooling
    Stella Artois
    Keyboard
    Built in
    Mouse
    Bluetooth , wired
    Internet Speed
    72 Mb/s :-(
    Browser
    Edge mostly
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    TPM 2.0
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