VMWare 16.2.1 Workstation Pro

CornishRattler · Dec 15, 2021

Superfly said:
Works fine .. sorry I just snipped the lot..

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Cheers, think I’ll go back to scratch. Must be screwing up somewhere

CornishRattler · Dec 15, 2021

spapakons said:
It sounds a little complicated. If you just want to test Windows 11 and don't plan to employ the installation on a real machine, then I find it easier to hack setup and install without TPM or Secure Boot.

I’m running 11 beta on a supported machine, just wanted to have the dev channel on a virtual disk as my unsupported machine is getting a bitch to install the latest flights

Superfly · Dec 15, 2021

CornishRattler said:
I’m running 11 beta, just wanted to have the dev channel on a virtual disk

Get a VM w/o OS encrypted first - then install the OS

CornishRattler · Dec 15, 2021

So getting a little further with the help of the video posted above but now I'm getting this error when I run the VM

cereberus · Dec 15, 2021

hsehestedt said:
Flat out nonsense. That used to be true but Hyper-V and VMware have been supported together officially by MS and VMware for a while now. Newer versions of Win 10 (20H1 and newer) and Win 11 right from the start support VMware and Hyper-V at the same time. I can tell you this with 100% certainty. It's all over the VMware release notes and Windows has services specifically for the purpose of supporting this.

Well, you are correct with what you say, but I suspect you have not actually tried it.

It really runs like a tortoise in this compatibility mode to the extent it is barely usable. It is still much faster to use the bcd edit trick, so you can login in Hyper-V mode (type 1 hypervisor active), or VMWare/Virtualbox mode (Type 1 hypervisor inactive).

altae · Dec 15, 2021

On Windows 10 VMWare Workstation works well with Hyper-V enabled. Windows 11 is another story, at least that's what I have experienced so far. In my case (Arch Linux as guest, Windows 11 as host) I can run the VM but suspending the guest OS is not possible since it crashes the guest. The only way I can get the full functionality back is to boot into Windows without Hyper-V support. It's perfectly possible that other functionalities of VMWare Workstation are also negatively affected by this incompatibility.

Here is a guide how to create a second boot entry to start Windows without Hyper-V.

hsehestedt · Dec 15, 2021

cereberus said:
Well, you are correct with what you say, but I suspect you have not actually tried it.

It really runs like a tortoise in this compatibility mode to the extent it is barely usable. It is still much faster to use the bcd edit trick, so you can login in Hyper-V mode (type 1 hypervisor active), or VMWare/Virtualbox mode (Type 1 hypervisor inactive).

Thank you playing. Please try again :). I am running it in that manner on both a desktop PC and a laptop and it runs beautifully and quickly.

My Hyper-V machine even does some pretty heavy processing such as software based video transcoding in real time (both Full HD and 4K video).

EDIT: I stress SOFTWARE based transcoding because the hypervisor does not have GPU access for true GPU transcoding, but I can still transcode (easily!) in real time.

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VMware Workstation had a Server feature that allowed a VBM to be started from the Server service meaning that a VM could be run without the user ever having to logon to Windows. That feature was deprecated and now fully removed. As a result, I use Hyper-V for that because my VMs will run in the background as soon as my computer boots without me ever having to logon. However, I much prefer the feature set of VMware so anything that does not need to start without me needing to logon I run in VMware.

Again, for me at least, the performance is great.

One thing to note: My desktop has 128GB RAM so I am generous with memory assigned to my VMs. My laptop has 32GB so I'm not starved for resources there either. Maybe that helps my performance. I also fine tune settings to avoid memory swapping.

CornishRattler · Dec 18, 2021

update* Not solved as Workstation still no go but I've got it on Hyper V, thanks for all the suggestions

Winuser · Dec 18, 2021

spapakons said:
Hyper-V and VMWare share some specific software component so they cannot run together. If you enable Hyper-V you cannot install VMWare, you get a warning. If you have already installed VMWare and you enable Hyper-V you get an error when trying to run VMWare. I prefer VMWare because traditionaly has many more features than other virtual machines. I am not sure about Hyper-V, I haven't used it, but VMWare supports any USB device and it can also use your serial (COM1) and parallel (LPT1) ports directly to connect legacy devices to the virtual machine. It can virtualize a physical disk (use the hardware directly) instead of creating a virtual disk so this is useful if your computer died and you want to load Windows on VMWare to take files and other data. It is also useful if you clone a limited storage (such as a tablet) on another larger disk and boot that in VMWare in order to upgrade Windows and then clone back to the limited storage. All these things cannot be done in VirtualBox and other free tools I have seen, only in VMWare.

As when installing Windows 11 on unsupported hardware, you can also hack Windows Setup in order to install in a Legacy BIOS virtual machine. I did that in my main PC (see 2nd PC specs) when trying Windows 11 on VMWare since my system doesn't officially support Windows 11.

I have Hyper-V and VMWare installed they run on my desktop without any problems.

spapakons · Dec 19, 2021

Yes, latest versions of VMWare Workstation doesn't have this limitation. They configure Hypervisor so they can run without having to disable Hyper-V. VMWare Workstation 12 I was using 2 years ago, would not install or run with Hyper-V enabled. I prefer VMWare over Hyper-V because with the appropriate configuration you can run any OS, Windows, Mac OS X, Linux and Android-x86.

CornishRattler · Dec 19, 2021

Incidentally I just tried Workstation Pro on my W10 machine and it worked perfectly running W11 Dev on a VM, my conclusion probably goes to my original post here and questions whether WP 16.2.1 can play nice with W11 as it's host with a conclusion.....no it can't.

spapakons · Dec 19, 2021

I recently installed VMWare Workstation 16 on my Windows 11 computer (see 2nd PC specs) and it runs OK. I loaded my Ubuntu virtual machine, upgraded from Ubuntu 16 32-bit to 18 LTS 32-bit, everything went without any issue. Not any observable incompatibility running VMWare Workstation 16 on Windows 11 host. I have not enabled Hyper-V or any other feature related to virtual machines, just the default Windows features. Performance is not different from Windows 10 host. It is a little better since now I have 16GB host RAM while I had only 8GB.

CornishRattler · Dec 27, 2021

Going back to my issues with Workstation Pro 16, I have an Ryzen 5800H CPU and it seems there is most definitely a problem which prevents the creation of a VM on systems with 5xxxx series CPU's

Workstation 16.1.2 Pro, under Windows 11 host, Windows guest in VM crashes on startup

This Reddit post sums up this issue well: https://www.reddit.com/r/vmware/comments/ph590g/vm_does_not_start_on_workstation_1612_pro_windows/ Basically using Workstation Pro 16.1.2 on a Windows 11 host, if you create a Windows guest VM, and the host system has Hyper-V enabled in any form (in my...

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spapakons · Dec 27, 2021

Never had an AMD, I'm an Intel fan.

jimbo45 · Dec 27, 2021

Hi folks
Found 2 issues with VMWare WKS 16.2 in combination with Windows 11 (as Host machine).so far

1) can't get the Virtual machine to recognize and connect external USB devices -- I've made sure that on W11 host the VMWare Usb arbitration service is running. Running latest version of W11 (insider preview version). The option to connect / disconnect removable devices is greyed out for any device e.g cameras etc. The VM has included usb option in it --tried with USB 2 as well --no joy.

2) Even if you specify bridged networking the vm still has a "NAT" unreachable address from outside its own host even though the VM itself can reach the rest of the network and the winder internet.

Cheers
jimbo

spapakons · Dec 27, 2021

Don't know about the Network bridge, but I have no problem connecting USB devices to the virtual machine.

jimbo45 · Dec 27, 2021

Hi there
works perfectly for me on W10 and W11 (standard release) but not W11 insider preview -- however that's probably because I've enabled HYPER-V, Virtual machine, WSL and probably a whole slew of other stuff.

I'll have a go later with a brand new install with W11 insider preview.

Cheers
jimbo

spapakons · Dec 27, 2021

I have not enabled Hyper-V, if that makes any difference.

Brett Woodword · Jan 23, 2022

VMware and Security - how secure and safe are virtuals. Is one safer than the others? I have been using VMware. The malware is getting very sophisticated. What is the best defense?

I am thinking of a Windows install on my hard drive.
Install Windows again on a San Disk external (usb-C ).
In that, I install my virtuals.

By doing this, is it safer with or without VM Tools. That is, if malware gets into my virtual, and if I can copy/paste with VM Tools, then can malware use the same copy/paste to get from the virtual into my Sandisk?

If malware ever gets into the virtual, can it then get into the Guest (in the Sandisk) even without VM Tools installed?

If it can get into my San Disk, can it then get into my hard drive?

I am hoping that a virtual will add another layer of protection. Do I have a false sense of security? I am not on a network, use cabled internet access and no wi-fi. I am careful where I browse, going so far as using the Avast Secure Bank Mode even for regular browsing.

spapakons · Jan 23, 2022

You can install VMWare Tools to get the drivers and then disable copy-paste between the host and the guest from settings. You can also install some antivirus on the guest, but I think that is a little too far. You can also buy a cheap USB Wi-Fi adapter, disable LAN in VMWare, connect the USB Wi-Fi adapter to the guest and use that to connect to the internet, so there is absolutely no communication between the host and the guest.