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Superfly · Jun 24, 2021

jh30uk said:
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So if not meeting the hardware requirements.. it will install but have a 'degraded' experience - what on earth does that entail?

jh30uk · Jun 24, 2021

I imagine the middle box means if no TPM or the Bios version called Intel Platform Trust Technology aka Intel PTT and AMD fTPM and it will work fine but you have less beefier hardware (CPU/Ram etc) then not so much.

Superfly · Jun 24, 2021

jh30uk said:
I imagine the middle box means if no TPM or the Bios version called Intel Platform Trust Technology aka Intel PTT and AMD fTPM and it will work fine but you have less beefier hardware (CPU/Ram etc) then not so much.

How many Insiders actually have TPM tho'? I don't understand why that requirement - Win 10X (which Win 11 now is) works in containers (for Win 32 apps) which like UWP is secure enough - I need to do a lot more research on why TPM has been made a proviso...unless as Win 10X was a mobile OS it's irrevocably built-in.

bobcollard · Jun 24, 2021

jh30uk said:
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Thanks, I'm on Preview, I'll wait it out. I was not impressed with the "Leak".

jh30uk · Jun 24, 2021

Superfly said:
How many Insiders actually have TPM tho'? I don't understand why that requirement - Win 10X (which Win 11 now is) works in containers (for Win 32 apps) which like UWP is secure enough - I need to do a lot more research on why TPM has been made a proviso...unless as Win 10X was a mobile OS it's irrevocably built-in.

TPM has been around since at least 2013 on PRO/WIFI type Mobos not so much higher end Gaming models till more recently but it is now kind of defunct and the above Intel/AMD Bios versions will replace it.

johnlgalt · Jun 24, 2021

I checked my machine and it has TPM 2.0 native. I definitely would have had issues trying the Win11 on bare metal on my old machine, though.

bobcollard · Jun 24, 2021

jh30uk said:
TPM has been around since at least 2013 on PRO/WIFI type Mobos not so much higher end Gaming models till more recently but it is now kind of defunct and the above Intel/AMD Bios versions will replace it.

Yeah, my HP Z230 Tower Workstation was made in 2014 but I had to go into BIOS to start TPM. I was running it on hardware, not Virtual Machine software.

Superfly · Jun 24, 2021

bobcollard said:
Yeah, my HP Z230 Tower Workstation was made in 2014 but I had to go into BIOS to start TPM. I was running it on hardware, not Virtual Machine software.

I was referring to non-OEM PC's... but thanx for the info.

bobcollard · Jun 24, 2021

Superfly said:
I was referring to non-OEM PC's... but thanx for the info.

The only OEM things on my computer is the case and the mother board. I upgraded everything else including the CPU to i7, Two SSDs, a Terabyte HD, Added the Nvidia Graphics board, new BluRay player, and went from Windows 7 to Win 10 and tried Win 11. Also added more RAM, a blue tooth amplifier for my hearing aides to extend the range and an antenna for WIFI. Practically a new machine.

johnlgalt · Jun 24, 2021

The motherboard is the key part of the "non-OEM" that he was referring to.

It's where both TPM and UEFI w/ Secure boot are found.

bobcollard · Jun 24, 2021

johnlgalt said:
The motherboard is the key part of the "non-OEM" that he was referring to.

It's where both TPM and UEFI w/ Secure boot are found.

TPM and UEFI are part of the BIOS, one small chip on the motherboard.

johnlgalt · Jun 24, 2021

And thus your system is still OEM. which is why I said what I said, thanks.

philc43 · Jun 24, 2021

The only device I have which will run W11 is my Surface Laptop. All my desktops were built before 2015 and do not have TPM 2.0. I can see I may have to buy some new motherboards which in turn will require new CPUs and memory. My current desktops are perfectly adequate for what I do so I am reluctant to spend the money but I don't see I have any option.

bobcollard · Jun 24, 2021

philc43 said:
The only device I have which will run W11 is my Surface Laptop. All my desktops were built before 2015 and do not have TPM 2.0. I can see I may have to buy some new motherboards which in turn will require new CPUs and memory. My current desktops are perfectly adequate for what I do so I am reluctant to spend the money but I don't see I have any option.

IMHO Suggest you save your money to buy a new computer with Windows 11 already on it.

johnlgalt · Jun 24, 2021

philc43 said:
The only device I have which will run W11 is my Surface Laptop. All my desktops were built before 2015 and do not have TPM 2.0. I can see I may have to buy some new motherboards which in turn will require new CPUs and memory. My current desktops are perfectly adequate for what I do so I am reluctant to spend the money but I don't see I have any option.

Well - there is also the option to not upgrade them any time soon. As @jimbo45 said he was able to spoof the requirements in the leak in a VM, so unless you require a bare metal install, you'll be able to use Win 10 for over 4 more years....free and clear.

Plenty of time to upgrade. I upgraded my previous rig at 9 years lol.

philc43 · Jun 24, 2021

johnlgalt said:
Well - there is also the option to not upgrade them any time soon. As @jimbo45 said he was able to spoof the requirements in the leak in a VM, so unless you require a bare metal install, you'll be able to use Win 10 for over 4 more years....free and clear.

Plenty of time to upgrade. I upgraded my previous rig at 9 years lol.

I agree there is no need for me to rush into upgrading my desktops and within the next 4 years I am more than likely going to upgrade one of them anyway. My Surface Laptop will give me all the experience I need on Windows 11 and in any case I am using it more and more - it is such a lovely device.

hsehestedt · Jun 24, 2021

I'm starting to get bad vides, kind of like some of this is half-baked, at least as far as the health check utility goes. You notice that when it says that your computer cannot run Win 11, it gives no reason whatsover as to why.

My laptop failed the test and it has TPM 2.0, WDDM 2.7 graphics drivers (requires 2.x), 32 GB RAM, WiFi 6E, and a 1TB NVMe SSD.

Very annoying.

rseiler · Jun 24, 2021

Before anyone runs out and gets a new PC or motherboard, give it a month or three. The headwinds on this artificial "requirement" are already so gusty that surely the odds are in our favor that it will be rescinded before RTM, at least for Insiders. The Feedback Hub is already overflowing, like the Answers forum, like Reddit, like....

Update: It seems that TPM 1.2 (and Secure Boot) are enough:

Compatibility for Windows 11- Compatibility Cookbook

Learn how to enable your apps are compatible for Windows 11

docs.microsoft.com

johnlgalt · Jun 24, 2021

hsehestedt said:
I'm starting to get bad vides, kind of like some of this is half-baked, at least as far as the health check utility goes. You notice that when it says that your computer cannot run Win 11, it gives no reason whatsover as to why.

My laptop failed the test and it has TPM 2.0, WDDM 2.7 graphics drivers (requires 2.x), 32 GB RAM, WiFi 6E, and a 1TB NVMe SSD.

Very annoying.

Now you're catching on.

Incidentally - there is this (thanks @Michele for originally posting it:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1408171974422110208

And this (Thanks to @Bree for posting it):

Windows Processor Requirements

This specification details the processors that can be used by OEMs to manufacture Customer Systems that include Windows Products (including Custom Images).

docs.microsoft.com

And this (I posted it):

https://download.microsoft.com/download/7/8/8/788bf5ab-0751-4928-a22c-dffdc23c27f2/Minimum%20Hardware%20Requirements%20for%20Windows%2011.pdf

rseiler said:
Before anyone runs out and gets a new PC or motherboard, give it a month or three. The headwinds on this artificial "requirement" are already so gusty that surely the odds are in our favor that it will be rescinded before RTM, at least for Insiders. The Feedback Hub is already overflowing, like the Answers forum, like Reddit, like....

Update: It seems that TPM 1.2 (and Secure Boot) are enough:

Compatibility for Windows 11- Compatibility Cookbook

Learn how to enable your apps are compatible for Windows 11

docs.microsoft.com

Officially, those are going to be systems that it is not recommended to install Win11 on, but won't actually be blocked. See the twitter image above.

rseiler · Jun 24, 2021

But will still be without 1.2, and even that is a problem for some, like any system not in UEFI mode, for instance. Or, say, the Core i5 (2nd -gen) system I'm on at the moment with no Intel TXT.