Who's Keeping Windows 11?

Xploit Machine · Aug 15, 2021

I removed some craps hiding behind the OS and keeping only my favourite and daily use ones (including legacy applications) Office LTSC 2021 and Photoshop 2021 .. not forgetting simple desktop ease and fast everyday use, which costs me only 36.1GB at total

Lance1 · Aug 15, 2021

Windows 11 is just like all the others. It can be modified to suit your preference. MS can do what they want. But there will always be a loophole you can get through to make changes to suit your needs.

Stigg · Aug 15, 2021

Xploit Machine said:
I removed some craps hiding behind the OS and keeping only my favourite and daily use ones (including legacy applications) Office LTSC 2021 and Photoshop 2021 .. not forgetting simple desktop ease and fast everyday use, which costs me only 36.1GB at total

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I love that wallpaper. I've been using it for a very long time.

brummyfan · Aug 15, 2021

I couldn't find any reason to dislike Win11, so I willl keep it.

cereberus · Aug 15, 2021

I intend to stay on W10 until all the options that have all been ridiculously removed are reinstated.

We spent several years on getting W10 Start Menu to what is a polished tool e.g. nested tiles, consistent visualisation etc, then we throw it away for a toy start screen that has none of the improvements. HOW PATHETIC!

Deities only knows what will happen when W10 support finishes as half the world pcs will not be able to upgrade (unlike the W7 diehards who refuse to upgrade).

Is it beyond the intellect of MS to see they are creating a major future issue.

Stigg · Aug 15, 2021

cereberus said:
I intend to stay on W10 until all the options that have all been ridiculously removed are reinstated.

We spent several years on getting W10 Start Menu to what is a polished tool e.g. nested tiles, consistent visualisation etc, then we throw it away for a toy start screen that has none of the improvements. HOW PATHETIC!

Deities only knows what will happen when W10 support finishes as half the world pcs will not be able to upgrade (unlike the W7 diehards who refuse to upgrade).

Is it beyond the intellect of MS to see they are creating a major future issue.

Hi cereberus.

I know you shouldn't have to rely on a third party tool to fix an operating system's shortcomings, but if it's any consolation, Start11 is working very good for me. And it also provides access to the Windows 11 start menu, so you have a choice.

And let's face it. Since Windows 8, a whole host of third party start menu tools have surfaced due to Microsoft's failure to get the start menu right.

By the way. I am only keeping Windows 11 on my test PC.
For my other important PCs, I don't plan to update.

cereberus · Aug 15, 2021

Stigg said:
Hi cereberus.

I know you shouldn't have to rely on a third party tool to fix an operating system's shortcomings, but if it's any consolation, Start11 is working very good for me. And it also provides access to the Windows 11 start menu, so you have a choice.

And let's face it. Since Windows 8, a whole host of third party start menu tools have surfaced due to Microsoft's failure to get the start menu right.

By the way. I am only keeping Windows 11 on my test PC.
For my other important PCs, I don't plan to update.

Sure, but I actually was happy with W10 start menu once it had been developed, and I object to using a 3rd party tool as you say. I find it incredible that they think the new menu is remotely acceptable - no sizing of menu, no sizing of icons (unlike tiles), no grouping (even a budget android phone does that).

Half the real estate taken up by recommended apps (and actually it is recent apps, so the cannot get the poxy name write even) apps, and if you switch off feature, you get a patronising message saying you can turn it back on in settings - dohhh!. Worse still the bottom half of screen is wasted space.

This start menu is a complete joke! What is a complete joke is up to .65 you could reinstate old style 10 menu, so we know this ia purely artificial constraint.

As for file explorer, the new version is beyond a joke

Frankly W11 is more like W3.1.

MS should hang their heads in shame at the ongoing dumbing down of Windows.

But hey - we have the oxymoronic rounded corners, to keep us in ecstacy /S

I am hoping some enterprising guy will develop "Start 10 Tile Menu is Back".

swarfega · Aug 15, 2021

I'll upgrade my gaming PC to 11 but I'll continue with linux and windows insider on second pc which is mainly used for work so I use linux.

NavyLCDR · Aug 15, 2021

I'm keeping Windows 11. The idea that Windows 11 is more secure than Windows 10 is false, however. The same security in Windows 11 is available in Windows 10. The difference is that some security features such as TPM 2.0 are now being forced upon the user by Microsoft, whereas in Windows 10 they were optional. The same is true with the CPU requirements. Windows 10 running on the same CPUs as Windows 11 requires will be just as secure as Windows 11. In summary, Windows 11 is only more secure in that it either enforces, or makes default the same security features that are available in Windows 10, it's just that Microsoft is making more of the decisions for the user, rather than leaving those decisions up to the user to make for themselves.

jimbo45 · Aug 15, 2021

martyfelker said:
I am going to keep Windows 11 dev version on both laptop and desktop. I try to keep in mind that they say new things will be added before RTM in October. On the laptop, I'm dual booting with Manjaro Linux, on the desktop Fedora although I'm thinking to using Manjaro there as well. Just finished installing and testing Teamviewer on both machines and it works quite well. Looking into installing the Linux version but that looks pretty tough at the moment.

Hi there
Why in the world does one need Teamviewer these days -- if you need to get your remote IP address -- especially if you are a Linux user or use the WSL in Windows. it's a doddle - set up a bash script that runs say every 2 hrs or whatever and email to your phone or whatever - then you've always got the Internet remote IP address of your server however many times the Internet provider might change it - and usually even dynamic IP addresses don't change over the course of a day - they might at next logon though.

Something like this : -- script works fine for me - run this script on every server you want to access from the machine you are using.

#!/bin/bash
# Send email from bash
# simple script to send simple email with your IP address (external)

read -p "Enter SMTP email server address: " server
read -p "Enter SMTP Port: " port
read -p "Enter Your Email Address: " from
read -p "Enter Recipient's Email Address: " to
# get your public IP address
myip="$(dig +short myip.opendns.com @ReSolver1.opendns.com)"
# create message
function mail_input {
echo "ehlo $(hostname -f)"
echo "MAIL FROM: <$from>"
echo "RCPT TO: <$to>"
echo "DATA"
echo "From: <$from>"
echo "To: <$to>"
echo "Subject: Testing SMTP Mail"
echo " "
echo "Your public internet address is "
echo $myip
echo " "
echo "finished"
echo "."
echo "quit"
}

mail_input | netcat $server $port || err_exit

Don't forget to finish the inline text with the "." line before the SMTP quit command.

you might need to add slss security for SMTP / password or whatever etc but you should get the basic idea. Variablise server etc so you don't have to input anything so it runs without user prompts. - the input prompt stuff is good while testing.

Users on Windows Hosts could probably do similar if they enable telnet (turn windows features on / off). Easier though to run the script in the WSL. !!! Note you have to run these on the Remote machine - not the machine you might be using to get access to your remote server.

Other than that W11 doesn't seem any different from W10 so far but it does appaear to run slicker -- I haven't got any specific measurements so it might be "just in the mind" but I don't see any reason to go back to W10 (for the moment) -- but I'd advise anybody running W11 currently to keep backup image of the latest W10 system they had in case future updates to W11 hose everything up !!.

I only really dislike the Menu and the faffing aroubd with Windows explorer -- neither are big enough problems to make me abandon W11.

Cheers
jimbo

BunnyJ · Aug 15, 2021

Stigg said:
Hi cereberus.

I know you shouldn't have to rely on a third party tool to fix an operating system's shortcomings, but if it's any consolation, Start11 is working very good for me. And it also provides access to the Windows 11 start menu, so you have a choice.

And let's face it. Since Windows 8, a whole host of third party start menu tools have surfaced due to Microsoft's failure to get the start menu right.

By the way. I am only keeping Windows 11 on my test PC.
For my other important PCs, I don't plan to update.

Define right for us?? What might be right for you may not be right for someone else.

Josey Wales · Aug 15, 2021

NavyLCDR said:
I'm keeping Windows 11. The idea that Windows 11 is more secure than Windows 10 is false, however. The same security in Windows 11 is available in Windows 10. The difference is that some security features such as TPM 2.0 are now being forced upon the user by Microsoft, whereas in Windows 10 they were optional. The same is true with the CPU requirements. Windows 10 running on the same CPUs as Windows 11 requires will be just as secure as Windows 11. In summary, Windows 11 is only more secure in that it either enforces, or makes default the same security features that are available in Windows 10, it's just that Microsoft is making more of the decisions for the user, rather than leaving those decisions up to the user to make for themselves.

The Networking is more secure than it was in Win 10.

Bree · Aug 15, 2021

I routinely swap back and forth between machines using Win7, Win10 and Win11, with occasional use of XP and (on sufferance) even Win8. TBH I hardly notice the GUI differences, these days I see past the GUI and notice the similarities more.

For me, 10 and 11 are so much alike it's no problem swapping between them. IMHO the biggest improvement in 11 over 10 is a logically structured Settings app with a hierarchy that makes it easier to find the setting you are looking for. In 10 Settings was a 'dogs breakfast' with some settings jumping from one obscure and illogical location to another with each version upgrade.

BunnyJ · Aug 15, 2021

Bree said:
I routinely swap back and forth between machines using Win7, Win10 and Win11, with occasional use of XP and (on sufferance) even Win8. TBH I hardly notice the GUI differences, these days I see past the GUI and notice the similarities more.

For me, 10 and 11 are so much alike it's no problem swapping between them. IMHO the biggest improvement in 11 over 10 is a logically structured Settings app with a hierarchy that makes it easier to find the setting you are looking for. In 10 Settings was a 'dogs breakfast' with some settings jumping from one obscure and illogical location to another with each version upgrade.

I got used to the new 11 GUI just about instantly. Actually,.. I never had an issue adapting to any of the Windows GUI's. I just like the modern/slick feel of the new one,,11.

Bree · Aug 15, 2021

Stigg said:
I love that wallpaper. I've been using it for a very long time.

Surely for 11 you'll have to change it from this..

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...to this? :ROFLMAO:

AlanWade · Aug 15, 2021

Bree said:
Surely for 11 you'll have to change it from this..

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...to this?

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@Bree now if you make it 3440x1440 it could be my next desktop :)

NavyLCDR · Aug 15, 2021

Josey Wales said:
The Networking is more secure than it was in Win 10.

Do you have a source for that information?

NavyLCDR · Aug 15, 2021

jimbo45 said:
Hi there
Why in the world does one need Teamviewer these days -- if you need to get your remote IP address -- especially if you are a Linux user or use the WSL in Windows. it's a doddle - set up a bash script that runs say every 2 hrs or whatever and email to your phone or whatever - then you've always got the Internet remote IP address of your server however many times the Internet provider might change it - and usually even dynamic IP addresses don't change over the course of a day - they might at next logon though.

Something like this : -- script works fine for me - run this script on every server you want to access from the machine you are using.

#!/bin/bash
# Send email from bash
# simple script to send simple email with your IP address (external)

read -p "Enter SMTP email server address: " server
read -p "Enter SMTP Port: " port
read -p "Enter Your Email Address: " from
read -p "Enter Recipient's Email Address: " to
# get your public IP address
myip="$(dig +short myip.opendns.com @ReSolver1.opendns.com)"
# create message
function mail_input {
echo "ehlo $(hostname -f)"
echo "MAIL FROM: <$from>"
echo "RCPT TO: <$to>"
echo "DATA"
echo "From: <$from>"
echo "To: <$to>"
echo "Subject: Testing SMTP Mail"
echo " "
echo "Your public internet address is "
echo $myip
echo " "
echo "finished"
echo "."
echo "quit"
}

mail_input | netcat $server $port || err_exit

Don't forget to finish the inline text with the "." line before the SMTP quit command.

you might need to add slss security for SMTP / password or whatever etc but you should get the basic idea. Variablise server etc so you don't have to input anything so it runs without user prompts. - the input prompt stuff is good while testing.

Users on Windows Hosts could probably do similar if they enable telnet (turn windows features on / off). Easier though to run the script in the WSL. !!! Note you have to run these on the Remote machine - not the machine you might be using to get access to your remote server.

Other than that W11 doesn't seem any different from W10 so far but it does appaear to run slicker -- I haven't got any specific measurements so it might be "just in the mind" but I don't see any reason to go back to W10 (for the moment) -- but I'd advise anybody running W11 currently to keep backup image of the latest W10 system they had in case future updates to W11 hose everything up !!.

I only really dislike the Menu and the faffing aroubd with Windows explorer -- neither are big enough problems to make me abandon W11.

Cheers
jimbo

Instead of all that, I just have a router with a VPN server and DDNS built-in. The router does all the work for me. My IP address is always at ha********.netgear.com. Once connected to the VPN, I'm connected to my home network with access to my NAS and other computers. For example, I am camping right now along the Rogue River connected to my VPN. And, if I tether my phone to my computer, my computer will automatically connect to my home network if my phone is connected to my VPN. The screenshot below is my NAS at home:

Josey Wales · Aug 15, 2021

NavyLCDR said:
Do you have a source for that information?

When you supply yours.?

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Winuser · Aug 15, 2021

I'm going to keep Windows 11. I have three computers running the Dev build of Windows 11. When Windows 11 is officially released I'm going to upgrade my wife's laptop. There are a few things I would like to see improved. The Start menu for example. I would like to be able to remove the Recommended section.

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