Windows 11 22H2 (Sun Valley 2) RTM build 22621 general availability after Sept. 5, 2022

moob · Jun 4, 2022

Bree said:
There are many updates for the release candidate build before it becomes public. 22000 was released to Insiders on 28 June 2021 as build 22000.51. Those of us who installed it then, whether we were Insiders or not, got a series of nine cumulative updates as Microsoft developed the OS and fixed bugs before the public release of build 22000.194 on October 4th.

The full list of pre-release updates, and what was fixed or added in each, can be found here.

Windows 11 version history - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

In is inevitable that the same process will happen as 22H2 build 22621.1 is got ready for its release date. And anyone who is running 22621.1 now should be confident that they will get all the pre-release cumulative updates.

in that page.

yes there are updates. But not public.

updates for everyone only when to become public.

and the most certain is when 22621 becomes public, come with updates "22621.xxx..."

cereberus · Jun 4, 2022

Bree said:
In is inevitable that the same process will happen as 22H2 build 22621.1 is got ready for its release date. And anyone who is running 22621.1 now should be confident that they will get all the pre-release cumulative updates.

Yep - people do not always understand the final RTM version issued to all users is usually XXXXX.YYY and it get automatically gets updated to latest cumulative update (YYY) during upgrade process.

It is kind of more obvious if you download iso to upgrade as that is often XXXXX.1 (but can be different) and then you have to manually update using latest cumulative update.

In the end, it is semantics as you end up with XXXXX.YYY in the end either way.

It is rare the iso is XXXXX.YYY as that would mean it needs to be changed every time there was a cumulative upgrade. Typically the iso only gets update if needed to avoid installation issues or when the LTSC version is being released).

As an aside, I am rather surprised how long we are waiting to see any bug fixes to be issued to Beta version. I hope we just do not get one big cumulative update at last minute!

Bree · Jun 4, 2022

moob said:
yes there are updates. But not public.

updates for everyone only when to become public.

Anyone can install any Insider build. You don't even need to join the Insider program, you can use UUPDump to build an ISO for any build you like with files that are downloaded direct from Microsoft.

Once installed it will get all the updates that are released to Insiders, regardless of whether you join Insiders or not. As I said, I ran 22000 21H2 from the end of June until the end of September 2021 and got every update that was issued, even though I have never been an Insider.

I'm now running 22621.1 on a couple of my machines. I expect MS will release a cumulative update for it next week. and when they do I fully expect my 22621 machines to get it through Windows Update, just as they did with the pre-release 22000 builds.

moob · Jun 4, 2022

Bree said:
Anyone can install any Insider build. You don't even need to join the Insider program, you can use UUPDump to build an ISO for any build you like with files that are downloaded direct from Microsoft.

Once installed it will get all the updates that are released to Insiders, regardless of whether you join Insiders or not. As I said, I ran 22000 21H2 from the end of June until the end of September 2021 and got every update that was issued, even though I have never been an Insider.

I'm now running 22621.1 on a couple of my machines. I expect MS will release a cumulative update for it next week. and when they do I fully expect my 22621 machines to get it through Windows Update, just as they did with the pre-release 22000 builds.

this is not an argument "Anyone can install any Insider build. You don't even need to join the Insider program, you can use UUPDump to build an ISO for any build you like with files that are downloaded direct from Microsoft."

so I can also say: "everyone can watch movies netflix, hbo... without paying, just go to the website X and download it"

is not an argument :wink:

In Microsoft site say about of UUPDump: "The files are downloaded from Microsoft servers so the files are legit though the legality is still on the gray side. Microsoft has not authorised them to distribute the files and as they mentioned they are not affiliated to Microsoft so it is not completely legal. "

you can see in link below:
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us...mp-legal/332b0a06-839d-4234-b769-e4940ec1c80b

NavyLCDR · Jun 4, 2022

moob said:
In Microsoft site say about of UUPDump: "The files are downloaded from Microsoft servers so the files are legit though the legality is still on the gray side. Microsoft has not authorised them to distribute the files and as they mentioned they are not affiliated to Microsoft so it is not completely legal. "

you can see in link below:
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us...mp-legal/332b0a06-839d-4234-b769-e4940ec1c80b

HAHA. ROFLMAO! Now that's just hilarious right there. You posted only a partial quote. Why? Why did you not post the rest? Hmmmm? I'll tell you why. Because if you had posted the rest of the quote it would have been, "** Please note I am an independent advisor which means I have no say in the development of windows or any Microsoft process. I am a user just like you here to help others."

You posted a response from a user who was no more authorized to speak on Microsoft's behalf than you or I are. Yet you claim that it was Microsoft's statement on the matter.

Bree · Jun 4, 2022

moob said:
is not an argument

In Microsoft site say about of UUPDump: "The files are downloaded from Microsoft servers so the files are legit though the legality is still on the gray side. Microsoft has not authorised them to distribute the files and as they mentioned they are not affiliated to Microsoft so it is not completely legal. "

You do know that UUPDump is maintained on GitHub?

GitHub - uup-dump/website: Core code of the UUP dump website

Core code of the UUP dump website. Contribute to uup-dump/website development by creating an account on GitHub.

github.com

And that Microsoft has owned GitHub since 2018?

Microsoft acquires GitHub - Stories

Microsoft acquired GitHub, a popular code-repository service used by many developers and large companies, for $7.5 billion in stock. The deal, which heightened Microsoft’s focus on open-source development, aimed to increase enterprise use of GitHub and bring Microsoft’s developer tools and...

news.microsoft.com

Do you not think that Microsoft would have shut down UUPDump it there was anything illegal involved?

Wynona · Jun 4, 2022

NavyLCDR said:
@Bree, @Wynona,

I would give up if I were you. I think we need, at this point, to just agree to disagree with @moob.

I rest my case.

siliconbeaver · Jun 4, 2022

That's true.
Microsoft is Parent organization of Github.
In past, even now, I mainly sought solutions in Github for any Microsoft problems (Windows and Offices)

Bree said:
And that Microsoft has owned GitHub since 2018?

Wynona · Jun 4, 2022

moob said:
you can get the build number with powershell script

or if you use Visual studio in C# with Environment.OSVersion.Version.Build

and see for yourself

Much easier to press the Windows Key + R, type winver and check that way.

moob · Jun 5, 2022

NavyLCDR said:
HAHA. ROFLMAO! Now that's just hilarious right there. You posted only a partial quote. Why? Why did you not post the rest? Hmmmm? I'll tell you why. Because if you had posted the rest of the quote it would have been, "** Please note I am an independent advisor which means I have no say in the development of windows or any Microsoft process. I am a user just like you here to help others."

You posted a response from a user who was no more authorized to speak on Microsoft's behalf than you or I are. Yet you claim that it was Microsoft's statement on the matter.

I post the link :look:

thread is close "locked" without an official response.

what do you consider?

the thread is close because they consider the question answered or because they didn't consider the question answered?

or "locked" because the post is talk about piracy?

@NavyLCDR what do you consider?

Bree said:
You do know that UUPDump is maintained on GitHub?

GitHub - uup-dump/website: Core code of the UUP dump website

Core code of the UUP dump website. Contribute to uup-dump/website development by creating an account on GitHub.

github.com

And that Microsoft has owned GitHub since 2018?

View attachment 30732

Microsoft acquires GitHub - Stories

Microsoft acquired GitHub, a popular code-repository service used by many developers and large companies, for $7.5 billion in stock. The deal, which heightened Microsoft’s focus on open-source development, aimed to increase enterprise use of GitHub and bring Microsoft’s developer tools and...

news.microsoft.com

Do you not think that Microsoft would have shut down UUPDump it there was anything illegal involved?

what does github have to do with the matter?

There is no lack of legal clouds "sites" with full of illegal material.

for example Google :boom:

and github has illegal material hosted

below is a github link with links to some pirated material hosted at github

GitHub - Igglybuff/awesome-piracy: A curated list of awesome warez and piracy links

and another:

GitHub - SeppPenner/awesome-german-piracy: A curated list of (not only) German piracy sites.

DMCA Notices Took Down 19,276 GitHub Projects Last year

GitHub received 1,828 valid DMCA takedown notices last year, which resulted in the removal of 19,276 projects. Less than one percent of these projects were reinstated following retractions or counter-notices. The developer platform uses automated tools to scan for abuse, but this technology is not used for copyright infringements.

what the point?

I rest my case.

NavyLCDR · Jun 5, 2022

Wynona said:
Much easier to press the Windows Key + R, type winver and check that way.

Yup!

moob · Jun 5, 2022

cereberus said:
yep - who the hell needs powerscript shells LOL.

another easy way "settings, system, about"

Wynona said:
Much easier to press the Windows Key + R, type winver and check that way.

to better understand reading:

for example:

Version numbers for the major.minor.build.rev of Windows 11 structure are as follows – Windows 11

10.0.22000.708

Major = 10
Minor = 0
Build = 22000
Rev = 708

cereberus · Jun 5, 2022

moob said:
to better understand reading:

for example:

Version numbers for the major.minor.build.rev of Windows 11 structure are as follows – Windows 11 10.0.22000.708

Major = 10

Minor = 0

Build = 22000

Rev = 708

You are just being ridiculously argumentative. Nobody ever refers to first two numbers.

@NavyLCDR, @Bree, @Wynona, I agree with earlier post by @NavyLCDR to agree to disagree, I am not going to waste my time replying to him.

Of course, I assume he will get the last word in demonstrating his "contrariness".

CountMike · Jun 5, 2022

cereberus said:
You are just being ridiculously argumentative. Nobody ever refers to first two numbers.

@NavyLCDR, @Bree, @Wynona, I agree with earlier post by @NavyLCDR to agree to disagree, I am not going to waste my time replying to him.

Of course, I assume he will get the last word in demonstrating his "contrariness".

I beg to differ too. Beside regular build on main disk and PC I also run it in dual BOOT with insider dev. builds always updated to latest and occasionally another type of builds in a VM. As I like to have them all synced (looking same) I sometimes get mixed up which I'm running at a time so I forced all to display build on desktop and first 2 numbers tell me all I need at that time. The rest is interesting only when a new build or updates is announced.

cereberus · Jun 5, 2022

CountMike said:
I beg to differ too. Beside regular build on main disk and PC I also run it in dual BOOT with insider dev. builds always updated to latest and occasionally another type of builds in a VM. As I like to have them all synced (looking same) I sometimes get mixed up which I'm running at a time so I forced all to display build on desktop and first 2 numbers tell me all I need at that time. The rest is interesting only when a new build or updates is announced.

I am confused by this reply - the first two numbers are 10.0 which never change (you would have thought 10.0 would be 11.0 now?) - do you mean last two numbers from winver?

Perhaps an image from your display would help?

I too got confused as all my Insider vhds stem from same host OS. I create my own watermark on the background to tell differences but that is me.

jimbo45 · Jun 5, 2022

Seems a bit of a fuss over nothing. I've often installed builds from UUPDUMP and got updates via standard WU without being in the insider program.

cheers
jimbo

Wynona · Jun 5, 2022

All anyone has to do is look at the attachment here and see the official Microsoft (at this moment) Build Number. It's clear that the Build I'm running is 22000.708. That number changed multiple times before and after Microsoft released it to the general public.

In fact, Build 22000.675 was changed to Build 22000.708.

CountMike · Jun 5, 2022

Wynona said:
All anyone has to do is look at the attachment here and see the official Microsoft (at this moment) Build Number. It's clear that the Build I'm running is 22000.708. That number changed multiple times before and after Microsoft released it to the general public.

In fact, Build 22000.675 was changed to Build 22000.708.

Last build with latest updates

Wynona · Jun 5, 2022

CountMike said:
Last build with latest updates
View attachment 30755

Yeppers. So I'm going to just disappear from this discussion. When it's right there in yer face and isn't accepted, then I don't know what to say anymore. I ain't givin' up, though!

CountMike · Jun 5, 2022

Wynona said:
Yeppers. So I'm going to just disappear from this discussion. When it's right there in yer face and isn't accepted, then I don't know what to say anymore. I ain't givin' up, though!

With so many builds and types, no wonder. :)