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Bree

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But it's W10. Are you thinking of MS forcing everyone to upgrade? I noted Wynona said, "And, eventually, Windows 11 will probably be your only option. Just sayin'." However, I was anxious about Win7 being unsupported, but they're still installing the malicious software removal tool, so with some decent AV it's fine. Surely they can't force people to upgrade to 11 if their machines are going to take a performance hit? If so, it's definitely Linux time.
Some of the more adventurous here are willing and able to install 11 on unsupported devices and are more than willing to tell you how to do so.

There is in fact little it won't run on, and provided you are comfortable with the risks then it should work well. I am currently running the latest Insider Beta build 22621.1 on a very old Lenovo Yoga 11e as a test machine. I repeat though, I do not recommend you do so if this is your only or main machine.

 

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  • OS
    Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Aspire 3 A315-23
    CPU
    AMD Athlon Silver 3050U
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Radeon Graphics
    Monitor(s) Displays
    laptop screen
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768 native resolution, up to 2560x1440 with Radeon Virtual Super Resolution
    Hard Drives
    1TB HDD
    Browser
    Edge, Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October.


    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, Windows 11 Pro.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Lattitude E4310
    CPU
    i5 M 520
    Motherboard
    0T6M8G
    Memory
    4GB
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Hard Drives
    500GB HDD
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround.


    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, Windows 11 Pro.

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Some of the more adventurous here are willing and able to install 11 on unsupported devices. There is in fact little it won't run on, and provided you are comfortable with the risks then it should work well. I am currently running the latest Insider Beta build 22621.1 on a very old Lenovo Yoga 11e as a test machine. I repeat though, I do not recommend you do so if this is your only or main machine.

I see. I don't imagine I particularly want or need 11, though, as long as 10 keeps being supported, even minimally. As I say, 7 isn't officially supported - I've forgotten when it was supposed to end - but MS keep maintaining it. Presumably they're trying to move everyone on to the latest offering whilst avoiding mass security issues on older machines.

I am now a little worried I've been too hasty again and this i7 chip is going to be disappointing! But most of what I do doesn't need to be blisteringly fast. I don't play computer games, and I can wait if things aren't happening immediately. It was just annoying when this (Toshiba C660 with i3 M380) maxed out its 4GB and everything seemed to lock up. Adding another 4, it ran sweet enough again. It has developed another issue where it overheats when I'm rendering video - I have to go into the advanced power settings and throttle the CPU to stop it crashing. I assume that's the contact with the heatsink getting dodgy. But it's about had it on several levels anyway - the plastics are all cracking up around the screw mounts, the delete key is getting twitchy, that kind of thing.
 

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  • OS
    Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Lenovo Flex 5
    CPU
    Ryzen 3 4300U
    Memory
    4 GB
    Monitor(s) Displays
    14"
    Hard Drives
    128 GB SSD

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As I say, 7 isn't officially supported - I've forgotten when it was supposed to end - but MS keep maintaining it.
I still have a couple of machines on Windows 7. There is no further support for the OS itself unless you paid for the Extended Security Updates. The one part of ESU that is free for everyone is AV, that's the Malicious Software Removal Tool and Signature Updates for Defender/Microsoft Security Essentials. I use MSE as my AV, it uses the same scan engine and definitions as Defender for Windows 10/11. We will continue to get these updates until ESU ends on 14th January 2023.

 

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System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Aspire 3 A315-23
    CPU
    AMD Athlon Silver 3050U
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Radeon Graphics
    Monitor(s) Displays
    laptop screen
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768 native resolution, up to 2560x1440 with Radeon Virtual Super Resolution
    Hard Drives
    1TB HDD
    Browser
    Edge, Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October.


    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, Windows 11 Pro.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Lattitude E4310
    CPU
    i5 M 520
    Motherboard
    0T6M8G
    Memory
    4GB
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Hard Drives
    500GB HDD
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround.


    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, Windows 11 Pro.

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I see. I don't imagine I particularly want or need 11, though, as long as 10 keeps being supported, even minimally. As I say, 7 isn't officially supported - I've forgotten when it was supposed to end - but MS keep maintaining it. Presumably they're trying to move everyone on to the latest offering whilst avoiding mass security issues on older machines.

I am now a little worried I've been too hasty again and this i7 chip is going to be disappointing! But most of what I do doesn't need to be blisteringly fast. I don't play computer games, and I can wait if things aren't happening immediately. It was just annoying when this (Toshiba C660 with i3 M380) maxed out its 4GB and everything seemed to lock up. Adding another 4, it ran sweet enough again. It has developed another issue where it overheats when I'm rendering video - I have to go into the advanced power settings and throttle the CPU to stop it crashing. I assume that's the contact with the heatsink getting dodgy. But it's about had it on several levels anyway - the plastics are all cracking up around the screw mounts, the delete key is getting twitchy, that kind of thing.

The i7-7600U is a 2 core/4thread CPU (I7-7600U), launched 5 years ago. In terms of more recent CPUs, its core count and performance are similar to an I3-1115G4 (Product Specifications).

My cheap laptop has an I3-6100U. It's slower than the I7-7600U, but usable for my purposes.

Cheap may be inconsistent with fast, even for older systems.
 

My Computers

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  • OS
    Windows 11 22000.708
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    homebuilt
    CPU
    Intel I9-12900K
    Motherboard
    Asus Prime Z690-A
    Memory
    64GB Kingston DDR5-5600
    Graphics Card(s)
    Gigabyte RTX 3090 ti
    Sound Card
    none (USB to speakers), Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Viewsonic XG320U
    Screen Resolution
    3840 X 2160 @ 144Hz
    Hard Drives
    WB Black SN850 1TB M.2 NVME SSD
    Seagate Iron Wolf 8TB
    PSU
    eVGA SuperNOVA 1300 GT
    Case
    Corsair 5000D AIrflow
    Cooling
    Corsair iCUE H150i ELITE CAPELLIX Liquid CPU Cooler
    Internet Speed
    1200 Mbps
  • Operating System
    windows 11 22000.708
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    homebuilt
    CPU
    Ryzen 9 5950X
    Motherboard
    Asus Tuf Gaming X570-Plus
    Memory
    64GB DDR4 3800 (@ 3600)
    Graphics card(s)
    Zotac RTX 3080
    Sound Card
    built in Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Asus PA329C
    Screen Resolution
    3840 X 2160
    Hard Drives
    Sabrent 1 TB PCI-E 4.0 X4 NVME M.2
    4 GB Seagate Ironwolf
    PSU
    eVGA SuperNOVA 850 G6
    Case
    Phanteks ENTHOO Pro M
    Cooling
    iCUE H115i RGB PRO XT Liquid CPU Cooler

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I still have a couple of machines on Windows 7. There is no further support for the OS itself unless you paid for the Extended Security Updates. The one part of ESU that is free for everyone is AV, that's the Malicious Software Removal Tool and Signature Updates for Defender/Microsoft Security Essentials. I use MSE as my AV, it uses the same scan engine and definitions as Defender for Windows 10/11. We will continue to get these updates until ESU ends on 14th January 2023.

OMG, I should really know this kind of stuff! But as far as AV's concerned, I switched to others anyway - currently Kaspersky, but recent events have made me want to switch again to BitDefender. I might give MSE a shot on the new machine. I suppose if you install a decent AV and firewall, even XP or earlier could stay online. Just the hardware will get old and tired like my brain.
The i7-7600U is a 2 core/4thread CPU (I7-7600U), launched 5 years ago. In terms of more recent CPUs, its core count and performance are similar to an I3-1115G4 (Product Specifications).

My cheap laptop has an I3-6100U. It's slower than the I7-7600U, but usable for my purposes.

Cheap may be inconsistent with fast, even for older systems.
Thanks for that, bobkn. I think I'll probably only know whether I've made a good decision after using the thing for several months or years. But I now see I've swapped more memory etc. for a rather (much?) slower processor AMD Ryzen 3 4300U vs Intel Core i7-7600U - GadgetVersus and for more money. Yikes. Or that was the plan - I could stick with the Flex 5 Ryzen 3. Aaarrgghhh.
 

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    Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Lenovo Flex 5
    CPU
    Ryzen 3 4300U
    Memory
    4 GB
    Monitor(s) Displays
    14"
    Hard Drives
    128 GB SSD

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Yikes. Or that was the plan - I could stick with the Flex 5 Ryzen 3. Aaarrgghhh.
Decisions, decisions - or you could do what I have ended up doing, just buy one of each :lmao:
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Aspire 3 A315-23
    CPU
    AMD Athlon Silver 3050U
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Radeon Graphics
    Monitor(s) Displays
    laptop screen
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768 native resolution, up to 2560x1440 with Radeon Virtual Super Resolution
    Hard Drives
    1TB HDD
    Browser
    Edge, Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October.


    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, Windows 11 Pro.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Lattitude E4310
    CPU
    i5 M 520
    Motherboard
    0T6M8G
    Memory
    4GB
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Hard Drives
    500GB HDD
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround.


    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, Windows 11 Pro.

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I noticed one of the attachments about an ACER having 32GB storage, having experienced that on an 11.6" Dell Inspiron with some later versions of Win10 not having sufficient room to keep Upgrading and updates to those I'm staying away from 32GB drives, minimum for Win10 and Win11 when shopping should be at least 64GB. My little one has been running Linux Mint 20 very nicely on that 32GB and still has over 10GB free space. And it does have the fold-back screen and touch.
Ditto! After the second returned 32 GB system, I learned my lesson.
 

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  • OS
    Windows 11 20000.613
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Envy TE01-1xxx
    CPU
    ntel(R) Core(TM) i7-10700 CPU @ 2.90GHz 2.90 GHz
    Motherboard
    16.0GB Dual-Channel Unknown @ 1463MHz (21-21-21-47)
    Memory
    16384 MBytes
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel UHD Graphics 630
    Sound Card
    Realtek High Definition Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Monitor 1 - Acer 27" Monitor 2 - Acer 27"
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    WDC PC SN530 SDBPNPZ-512G-1006 (SSD)
    Seagate ST1000DM003-1SB102
    Seagate BUP Slim SCSI Disk Device (SSD)
    PSU
    HP
    Case
    HP
    Cooling
    Standard
    Keyboard
    Logitech Wave K350
    Mouse
    Logitech M705
    Internet Speed
    100 mbps
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
    Other Info
    That's all Folks!
  • Operating System
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP
    CPU
    Intel Core i7 (10th gen) 10700
    Motherboard
    Intel
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel UHD Graphics 630
    Sound Card
    Built-in
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Acer 27" & Samsung 24"
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x
    Hard Drives
    SSD (512 GB)
    HDD (1 TB)
    Seagate
    PSU
    Intel i7 10th Generation
    Case
    HP
    Cooling
    HP/Intel?
    Mouse
    Logitech M705
    Keyboard
    Logitech Wave K350
    Internet Speed
    50 mbps
    Browser
    Firefox 90.2
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
    Other Info
    Headphone/Microphone Combo
    SuperSpeed USB Type-A (4 on front)
    HP 3-in-One Card Readr
    SuperSpeed USB Type-C
    DVD Writer

Wynona

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But it's W10. Are you thinking of MS forcing everyone to upgrade? I noted Wynona said, "And, eventually, Windows 11 will probably be your only option. Just sayin'." However, I was anxious about Win7 being unsupported, but they're still installing the malicious software removal tool, so with some decent AV it's fine. Surely they can't force people to upgrade to 11 if their machines are going to take a performance hit? If so, it's definitely Linux time.
To clarify my statement

And, eventually, Windows 11 will probably be your only option. Just sayin

What I meant was that eventually Microsoft will no longer support even Windows 10. Which will mean only Windows 11 (and possibly 12) will be available for an upgrade.

Microsoft will never force anyone to install Windows 11 on inadequate hardware. They're doing everything in their power to convince us not to do that! By the same token, Microsoft is doing everything in its power to convince us to upgrade our Windows 10 systems to Windows 11 if our hardware qualifies.

BTW, just in case you aren't aware, if you choose to upgrade from Windows 10 to Windows 11, it won't cost you anything. Although I think I got the point that you don't want Windows 11. :cool:
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 20000.613
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Envy TE01-1xxx
    CPU
    ntel(R) Core(TM) i7-10700 CPU @ 2.90GHz 2.90 GHz
    Motherboard
    16.0GB Dual-Channel Unknown @ 1463MHz (21-21-21-47)
    Memory
    16384 MBytes
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel UHD Graphics 630
    Sound Card
    Realtek High Definition Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Monitor 1 - Acer 27" Monitor 2 - Acer 27"
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    WDC PC SN530 SDBPNPZ-512G-1006 (SSD)
    Seagate ST1000DM003-1SB102
    Seagate BUP Slim SCSI Disk Device (SSD)
    PSU
    HP
    Case
    HP
    Cooling
    Standard
    Keyboard
    Logitech Wave K350
    Mouse
    Logitech M705
    Internet Speed
    100 mbps
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
    Other Info
    That's all Folks!
  • Operating System
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP
    CPU
    Intel Core i7 (10th gen) 10700
    Motherboard
    Intel
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel UHD Graphics 630
    Sound Card
    Built-in
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Acer 27" & Samsung 24"
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x
    Hard Drives
    SSD (512 GB)
    HDD (1 TB)
    Seagate
    PSU
    Intel i7 10th Generation
    Case
    HP
    Cooling
    HP/Intel?
    Mouse
    Logitech M705
    Keyboard
    Logitech Wave K350
    Internet Speed
    50 mbps
    Browser
    Firefox 90.2
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
    Other Info
    Headphone/Microphone Combo
    SuperSpeed USB Type-A (4 on front)
    HP 3-in-One Card Readr
    SuperSpeed USB Type-C
    DVD Writer

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My thought? The announced end of support for Win10 on Oct. 14, 2025, certainly is a way of saying there's sufficient time for users to get upgraded to machines that support the requirements. I've done it so as to know about the changes in Win11 in support of my clients who eventually with need to update their aging computers. So far I've not seen many difficulties versus Win10 such as running some older programs, i.e. Lotus SmartSuite 9.7 and 9.8 from 20 years ago [only issue is .hlp files don't work]. Some of the changes ended up with features from Control Panel being on the right-click of the Start button.
 

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  • OS
    Win11 Pro RTM x64
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Vostro 3400
    CPU
    Intel Core i5
    Memory
    8GB
    Hard Drives
    256GB SSD NVMe
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro RTM x64
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Vostro 5890
    CPU
    Intel Core i5
    Memory
    16GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Onboard, no VGA using DisplayPort-to-VGA adapter
    Monitor(s) Displays
    21"
    Hard Drives
    512GB SSD NVMe, 2TB WDC HDD
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender/Microsoft Security

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To clarify my statement



What I meant was that eventually Microsoft will no longer support even Windows 10. Which will mean only Windows 11 (and possibly 12) will be available for an upgrade.

Microsoft will never force anyone to install Windows 11 on inadequate hardware. They're doing everything in their power to convince us not to do that! By the same token, Microsoft is doing everything in its power to convince us to upgrade our Windows 10 systems to Windows 11 if our hardware qualifies.

BTW, just in case you aren't aware, if you choose to upgrade from Windows 10 to Windows 11, it won't cost you anything. Although I think I got the point that you don't want Windows 11. :cool:
Ah yes, of course. I have got so used to Windows that's "not supported" that "my only choice" sounded worse than it is.

Ditto! After the second returned 32 GB system, I learned my lesson.
Yeah, that's tiny. The other thing to consider is if it's a hard drive or SSD, because with the latter it's best to allow a very big margin of free space (I think some sources I've seen suggest a third or more), because if there's not enough free space it causes a lot more write operations on the same bit of the drive, causing eventual failure, and SSDs tend to just suddenly die, where HDDs lose bits and pieces at a time. I'm not sure if the technology has improved since then, or if it's just the nature of the beast.
 

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  • OS
    Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Lenovo Flex 5
    CPU
    Ryzen 3 4300U
    Memory
    4 GB
    Monitor(s) Displays
    14"
    Hard Drives
    128 GB SSD

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Ah yes, of course. I have got so used to Windows that's "not supported" that "my only choice" sounded worse than it is.


Yeah, that's tiny. The other thing to consider is if it's a hard drive or SSD, because with the latter it's best to allow a very big margin of free space (I think some sources I've seen suggest a third or more), because if there's not enough free space it causes a lot more write operations on the same bit of the drive, causing eventual failure, and SSDs tend to just suddenly die, where HDDs lose bits and pieces at a time. I'm not sure if the technology has improved since then, or if it's just the nature of the beast.
My two latest desktop machines have a 500 GB SSD as the OS drive and a 1 TB HDD (probably one of those 2 1/2" sized ones) for data.

SSDs have been greatly improved since those first ones came out. They're almost comparable to a regular hard drive. BTW, so far, I've not had a failure of any SSD drive I've owned.

As comparison only, my Western Digital SN530 (installed in this computer when I bought it) has a 5 year warranty. I'm pretty sure it'll last much longer than that, but I firmly believe Western Digital is hedging their bets with their warranty.

So, yeah, technology in general has come a long way since the advent of SSD and other new stuff.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 20000.613
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Envy TE01-1xxx
    CPU
    ntel(R) Core(TM) i7-10700 CPU @ 2.90GHz 2.90 GHz
    Motherboard
    16.0GB Dual-Channel Unknown @ 1463MHz (21-21-21-47)
    Memory
    16384 MBytes
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel UHD Graphics 630
    Sound Card
    Realtek High Definition Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Monitor 1 - Acer 27" Monitor 2 - Acer 27"
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    WDC PC SN530 SDBPNPZ-512G-1006 (SSD)
    Seagate ST1000DM003-1SB102
    Seagate BUP Slim SCSI Disk Device (SSD)
    PSU
    HP
    Case
    HP
    Cooling
    Standard
    Keyboard
    Logitech Wave K350
    Mouse
    Logitech M705
    Internet Speed
    100 mbps
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
    Other Info
    That's all Folks!
  • Operating System
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP
    CPU
    Intel Core i7 (10th gen) 10700
    Motherboard
    Intel
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel UHD Graphics 630
    Sound Card
    Built-in
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Acer 27" & Samsung 24"
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x
    Hard Drives
    SSD (512 GB)
    HDD (1 TB)
    Seagate
    PSU
    Intel i7 10th Generation
    Case
    HP
    Cooling
    HP/Intel?
    Mouse
    Logitech M705
    Keyboard
    Logitech Wave K350
    Internet Speed
    50 mbps
    Browser
    Firefox 90.2
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
    Other Info
    Headphone/Microphone Combo
    SuperSpeed USB Type-A (4 on front)
    HP 3-in-One Card Readr
    SuperSpeed USB Type-C
    DVD Writer

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Well, what a rubbish week! I just got my second laptop from CeX (and that's the last damn thing I'll ever get from them).

Quick reminder: So, having advised me in the shop that I could swap the 4GB memory on a Lenovo Flex 5 for 8GB (with 11 installed), and then finding (please correct me if I'm wrong, but...) you can't, it's soldered in and has no other memory slot, I decided I would probably send it back, and ordered a Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Yoga, adding another £105 to the bill at £345.

They sent a T470s ThinkPad (type 20HF, 20HG) instead (with the ThinkPad X1 Yoga product label stuck on the back, can you adam and eve it?), absolutely filthy on the keys and screen, with a broken bit in the back corner of the plastic base (spookily, one of the reasons I'm ditching my current Toshiba Satellite!). I've no email indicating they intended to substitute the item for something with a similar name. :rolleyes: One of the most important spec details in my choice is a 360-degree flip screen, and this only goes to 180.

So it looks like I'm off to town to chuck two laptops at someone's head. Maybe that's why he wears a wooly hat indoors in the summer. Where to go from here I don't know, except I probably have to slow down my shopping urge, or throw more money at the problem, or both.

I'm still toying with the idea of keeping the Flex 5, but it seems a bit daft to do that. It runs fairly smoothly at the moment, but I haven't got to rendering video or anything yet, and, as I said, with my ~100 Firefox tabs open it's at 85%. It's also uncomfortable to type on, with a stupidly sharp front edge. It's in much better nick, and probably only a year or so old, and what's 240 quid these days? (A: It's 240 quid I could put into the kitty on a better laptop.)
 

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    Windows 11 Home
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    Lenovo Flex 5
    CPU
    Ryzen 3 4300U
    Memory
    4 GB
    Monitor(s) Displays
    14"
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    128 GB SSD

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Well, what a rubbish week! I just got my second laptop from CeX (and that's the last damn thing I'll ever get from them).

Quick reminder: So, having advised me in the shop that I could swap the 4GB memory on a Lenovo Flex 5 for 8GB (with 11 installed), and then finding (please correct me if I'm wrong, but...) you can't, it's soldered in and has no other memory slot, I decided I would probably send it back, and ordered a Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Yoga, adding another £105 to the bill at £345.
Try Cash Converters. A quick search found this (and others)...

£300: Lenovo Thinkpad L390 Yoga Core i7-8565U 8GB 512GB SSD 13.3 Inch Full HD Touch Screen Windows 10 Pro 2-In-1
(although they say 'Windows 10' in the description, the screenshots show it has been upgraded to Windows 11)


Specs: ThinkPad L390 Yoga | 2-in-1 business Laptop with Pen | Lenovo UK

With an 8th Gen i7 and TPM 2.0 (according to the User Guide manual) it should be a supported device for Windows 11.

Manuals: laptops and netbooks :: thinkpad l series laptops :: thinkpad l390 yoga type 20nt 20nu - Lenovo Support GB
 

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System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Aspire 3 A315-23
    CPU
    AMD Athlon Silver 3050U
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Radeon Graphics
    Monitor(s) Displays
    laptop screen
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768 native resolution, up to 2560x1440 with Radeon Virtual Super Resolution
    Hard Drives
    1TB HDD
    Browser
    Edge, Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October.


    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, Windows 11 Pro.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Lattitude E4310
    CPU
    i5 M 520
    Motherboard
    0T6M8G
    Memory
    4GB
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Hard Drives
    500GB HDD
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround.


    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, Windows 11 Pro.

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One of the most important spec details in my choice is a 360-degree flip screen, and this only goes to 180.
I'd rethink that, mainly in that if one starts at 0° and turns 360° they are back at 0°, my 11.3" Inspiron flips the keyboard 180° to the back/bottom of the case, can't go all the way around. The reason it is called a 2-in-1 is it can be a Notebook/Laptop or a Tablet.
Images here:
 

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    Win11 Pro RTM x64
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Vostro 3400
    CPU
    Intel Core i5
    Memory
    8GB
    Hard Drives
    256GB SSD NVMe
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro RTM x64
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Vostro 5890
    CPU
    Intel Core i5
    Memory
    16GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Onboard, no VGA using DisplayPort-to-VGA adapter
    Monitor(s) Displays
    21"
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    512GB SSD NVMe, 2TB WDC HDD
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge
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    Windows Defender/Microsoft Security

lettersquash

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Try Cash Converters. A quick search found this (and others)...

£300: Lenovo Thinkpad L390 Yoga Core i7-8565U 8GB 512GB SSD 13.3 Inch Full HD Touch Screen Windows 10 Pro 2-In-1
(although they say 'Windows 10' in the description, the screenshots show it has been upgraded to Windows 11)


Specs: ThinkPad L390 Yoga | 2-in-1 business Laptop with Pen | Lenovo UK

With an 8th Gen i7 and TPM 2.0 (according to the User Guide manual) it should be a supported device for Windows 11.

Manuals: laptops and netbooks :: thinkpad l series laptops :: thinkpad l390 yoga type 20nt 20nu - Lenovo Support GB
Many thanks, Bree. I see a few on there searching for "convertible" in laptops. I'll do some reading. I'm also liking the look of this possibly, with a 14" screen (13.3 is just a tad smaller than I'd like, I think, but not a deal breaker). HP Elitebook X360 Convertible 1030 G2 Hsn-104C Intel Core i5-7300U Cpu @ 2.60 GHz 8GB 256GB (SSD) Silver | 044500045296 | Cash Converters

I'd rethink that, mainly in that if one starts at 0° and turns 360° they are back at 0°, my 11.3" Inspiron flips the keyboard 180° to the back/bottom of the case, can't go all the way around. The reason it is called a 2-in-1 is it can be a Notebook/Laptop or a Tablet.
Images here:
Yeah, but surely that's what 360-degrees means, going round until it's on the back/bottom. Closed, the screen is facing downwards. In tablet mode, it's again facing downwards (except you move it, of course). 180 means it just opens until it's flush with the keyboard. Or am I missing something?
 

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    Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Lenovo Flex 5
    CPU
    Ryzen 3 4300U
    Memory
    4 GB
    Monitor(s) Displays
    14"
    Hard Drives
    128 GB SSD

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Hard to say since I'm 7 hours further West than you. 7 x 15° = 105°
 

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    Win11 Pro RTM x64
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Vostro 3400
    CPU
    Intel Core i5
    Memory
    8GB
    Hard Drives
    256GB SSD NVMe
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro RTM x64
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Vostro 5890
    CPU
    Intel Core i5
    Memory
    16GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Onboard, no VGA using DisplayPort-to-VGA adapter
    Monitor(s) Displays
    21"
    Hard Drives
    512GB SSD NVMe, 2TB WDC HDD
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    Firefox, Edge
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    Windows Defender/Microsoft Security

Bree

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. I'm also liking the look of this possibly, with a 14" screen (13.3 is just a tad smaller than I'd like, I think, but not a deal breaker). HP Elitebook X360 Convertible 1030 G2 Hsn-104C Intel Core i5-7300U Cpu @ 2.60 GHz 8GB 256GB (SSD) Silver | 044500045296 | Cash Converters
That has a 7th gen i5 (the beginning of the processor number is the generation) so is an unsupported device for Windows 11. 8th gen or later is required.

 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Aspire 3 A315-23
    CPU
    AMD Athlon Silver 3050U
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Radeon Graphics
    Monitor(s) Displays
    laptop screen
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768 native resolution, up to 2560x1440 with Radeon Virtual Super Resolution
    Hard Drives
    1TB HDD
    Browser
    Edge, Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October.


    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, Windows 11 Pro.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Lattitude E4310
    CPU
    i5 M 520
    Motherboard
    0T6M8G
    Memory
    4GB
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Hard Drives
    500GB HDD
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround.


    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, Windows 11 Pro.

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That has a 7th gen i5 (the beginning of the processor number is the generation) so is an unsupported device for Windows 11. 8th gen or later is required.

Thanks. Your help is really amazing in this process. And I suppose having W11 as an option is important for the longer support. I've been thinking "I don't like W11", but I've never used 10, so I suppose I should probably go for gen 8+.

The returns policy looks ok on cash converters, and their descriptions are much better - the CeX site (webuy.com) is awful. The only downside is I'd lose postage if I returned, where I happen to live in a town where I can drop off my garbage to the CeX shop.
 

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    Windows 11 Home
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    Lenovo Flex 5
    CPU
    Ryzen 3 4300U
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    4 GB
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    14"
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    128 GB SSD

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I suppose having W11 as an option is important for the longer support. I've been thinking "I don't like W11", but I've never used 10, so I suppose I should probably go for gen 8+.
Yes. Even if you don't intend to go to Windows 11 (yet) for the long term I would not go for less than 8th gen (or the equivalent from AMD). Windows 10 support ends on 14 October 2025.

Microsoft said:
Microsoft will continue to support at least one Windows 10 release until October 14, 2025.
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/products/windows-10-home-and-pro


 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Aspire 3 A315-23
    CPU
    AMD Athlon Silver 3050U
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Radeon Graphics
    Monitor(s) Displays
    laptop screen
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768 native resolution, up to 2560x1440 with Radeon Virtual Super Resolution
    Hard Drives
    1TB HDD
    Browser
    Edge, Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October.


    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, Windows 11 Pro.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Lattitude E4310
    CPU
    i5 M 520
    Motherboard
    0T6M8G
    Memory
    4GB
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Hard Drives
    500GB HDD
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround.


    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, Windows 11 Pro.

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I was merely alerting you of a potential situation. However, you addressed my concern when you said "it's W10" - Point being you know it's an old machine.

As for being "forced to upgrade", I wasn't aware Microsoft was forcing anyone to do anything, and especially on a machine with hardware not officially supported. In short, you won't be "forced" to Windows 11. However, if you want to run Windows 11 on it as I am (insiders) you can. And it requires no registry hacks ;-)

Good luck. And nice machine (y) :)
What's happening right now is about the same as when ALL tvs went from Analog to Digital signal. Everyone felt, thought and believed that they had to go out and buy a brand new TV..lol..
 

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    Windows 11 Pro Version 21H2(OS Build 22000.795)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    AMD
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7 5800X 8 Core
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte X570 Aorus Pro WiFi
    Memory
    32 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    PCI Express 3.0 x16: PowerColor RX Vega 56 Red Dragon
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC1220 and AMD Greenland - High Definition Audio Controller
    Monitor(s) Displays
    2 - 27 inch Westinghouse
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    2 SSD - 2 TB each
    1 HDD - 2 TB
    Keyboard
    logitech
    Mouse
    logitech
    Internet Speed
    1 GB
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge
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    Avast Premium
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