Solved XMP Necessary for Higher RAM speeds

Dru2 · Sep 21, 2021

jvickers said:
I don't drive my 370Z over 70. My wife got a super speeder ticket in her M2 a couple of years ago. Over $1,000 in fines and 3 points on her license. We're still waiting for those points to drop from her license.

But I digress...

Yeah, but you still didn't buy a performance car to drive 55 :wink:

jvickers · Sep 21, 2021

Dru2 said:
Yeah, but you still didn't buy a performance car to drive 55

True. Very true!

bobkn · Sep 21, 2021

jvickers said:
I don't drive my 370Z over 70. My wife got a super speeder ticket in her M2 a couple of years ago. Over $1,000 in fines and 3 points on her license. We're still waiting for those points to drop from her license.

But I digress...

You never speed (much)? What a waste. Sad. :wink:

Dru2 · Sep 21, 2021

To take a minute to address this...

johnlgalt said:
Part of the reason they are so conditioned is because the discussion gets theory and setting heavy really, really quickly, as this exact discussion did, very, very quickly. It's easily confusing information, but at the end of the day, extremely valuable, if you sit down and actually read through it all, and start asking questions about what this is and what that is, etc.

This is why I try to keep answers simple as you never know what skill level an OP is. More often then not all deep diving does is lose/drive a person away; especially when all they want is a simple answer (based on skill level)....

jvickers said:
Thanks for letting me know. If things become unstable, I'll know to try setting things manually, though I've not done that before. Currently, things seem pretty stable. But then, I just enabled it.

And this to my point about losing people them....

jvickers said:
Yeah. You all started losing me about post 10!

Sometimes I think the deep diving is more about us parading our knowledge than helping an OP with their issues/questions.

If an OP asks a simple question as done here, they should get a simple answer or as simple as possible. If the OP wants/needs further clarification, I get a bit more detailed while still trying to keep things simple. If we need to deep dive, only then will we go there.

That's me.

PerpetualCycle · Sep 21, 2021

Dru2 said:
If an OP asks a simple question as done here, they should get a simple answer or as simple as possible. If the OP wants/needs further clarification, I get a bit more detailed while still trying to keep things simple. If we need to deep dive, only then will we go there.

That's me.

Umm, you did post 9 replies here :wink:

and started talking cars. A lot of threads in this forum do meander about though.

Dru2 · Sep 21, 2021

geneo said:
Umm, you did post 9 replies here and started talking cars. A lot of threads in this forum do meander about though.

Umm, my replies wouldn't have been that high if hadn't tried countering everything I said, as you've done again :wink:

PerpetualCycle · Sep 21, 2021

Dru2 said:
Umm, my replies wouldn't have been that high if hadn't tried countering everything I said, as you've done again

OK. I could say the same. But I did not make a sanctimonious deal out of it.

Dru2 · Sep 22, 2021

Compusmurf · Sep 22, 2021

You could pay a bit more and get jedec compliant and not have to deal with XMP. My 64GB is jedec at 1.2V/3200. But there's a ton of folks who won't know this or know how to enable XMP.

johnlgalt · Sep 23, 2021

With the general availability of enabling XMP in BIOS / UEFI settings, it's pretty easy for people to learn to do that, and many do, even those with novice-level skills (of course, the desire for increased performance also needs to be there - if a user has no need for performance, they probably aren't going to go looking for answers on how to do so). Much harder is actually spending a lot of time researching products to find chips used, for example, much less knowing and understand what JEDEC compliant means, to be able to research which RAM actually supports that.

If people were willing to do the research themselves, we'd lose probably 25% of posts here from users simply asking "What's the best {product|service}?" Some people, like me, ask that for specific reasons of a community to get the reasons for using any particular product | service, but most people simply want to shortcut the research stage to get to a decision-making stage without a lot of effort.

Sad, but true.

Compusmurf · Sep 23, 2021

johnlgalt said:
With the general availability of enabling XMP in BIOS / UEFI settings, it's pretty easy for people to learn to do that, and many do, even those with novice-level skills (of course, the desire for increased performance also needs to be there - if a user has no need for performance, they probably aren't going to go looknig for answers on how to do so). Much harder is actually spending a lot of time researching products to find chips used, for example, much less knowing and understand what JEDEC compliant means, to be able to research which RAM actually supports that.

If people were willing to do the research themselves, we'd lose probably 25% of posts here from users simply asking "What's the best {product|service}?" Some people, like me, ask that for specific reasons of a community to get the reasons for using any particular product | service, but most people simply want to shortcut the research stage to get to a decision-making stage without a lot of effort.

Sad, but true.

Well, hell. I've been an IT guy since 1987. Things that just come naturally to me I keep forgetting that the average person who uses a computer just isn't going to know.

You're absolutely right.

johnlgalt · Sep 23, 2021

Compusmurf said:
Well, hell. I've been an IT guy since 1987. Things that just come naturally to me I keep forgetting that the average person who uses a computer just isn't going to know.

You're absolutely right.

I started not long after you then - I dropped out of college after my freshman year in 88-89. And yeah, it's something that I have to actively keep in mind. And, of course, it doesn't always happen, I forget and expect somone to know something that for me is rote, basic knowledge....

My running quote at one of my jobs now is "I started in IT before it was actually called IT."

Compusmurf · Sep 23, 2021

johnlgalt said:
My running quote at one of my jobs now is "I started in IT before it was actually called IT."

LOL back then, being "the Geek" or "nerd" wasn't a compliment.

johnlgalt · Sep 23, 2021

You ain't kidding! It was not a badge of honor nor a title to aspire to, that's for sure!

I'm lucky in that it didn't phase me much, and that in my HS even popular people were geeky and nerdy. Although, I somehow avoided the bottom of the bottom, and thus I had friends all over, in every clique....

PerpetualCycle · Sep 23, 2021

And here we are all old geek wheezers still messin with the Mastergeek's OS.

TairikuOkami · Sep 23, 2021

I wonder, how many people, who actually bought faster RAM, never activated XMP profile? I say 50:50. :think:

PerpetualCycle · Sep 23, 2021

Compusmurf said:
You could pay a bit more and get jedec compliant and not have to deal with XMP. My 64GB is jedec at 1.2V/3200. But there's a ton of folks who won't know this or know how to enable XMP.

Up to 3200 that is highest jdec, everything above that is XMP.

What RAM do you have? I haven't actually run across any jdec 3200.

Compusmurf · Sep 23, 2021

geneo said:
Up to 3200 that is highest jdec, everything above that is XMP.

What RAM do you have? I haven't actually run across any jdec 3200.

I use a laptop. Plenty for them. amazon sodimm 3200 jedec

PerpetualCycle · Sep 23, 2021

Compusmurf said:
I use a laptop. Plenty for them. amazon sodimm 3200 jedec

Ah. OK. I think I must not have run across any because desktop and I looked for low latency opposed to frequency.
Cheers

Compusmurf · Sep 23, 2021

I would bet...Not as many laptops have XMP capabilities. Most manu's really lock down their bios/uefi. MSI, fortunately, does NOT. I have XMP capability, but if I can get straight JEDEC at the highest rated speed, why bother? :)