10 -> 11: Should I wait or should I load?


JeffFinnan

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I’ve recently moved my Win 10, 21H2 (OS Build 19044, 1682, (on an SSD) to a new motherboard, CPU, and video card. Windows Update says it can run Windows 11 and PC Health Check shows all green. I have a clone of the SSD that will boot off a USB 3.0 port. Is there any reason wait until Windows 11 is offered to me?

Thanks,
Jeff
 
Windows Build/Version
Win 10, 21H2 (OS Build 19044, 1682

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Mostly Self Assembled
    CPU
    Intel i9-12900K (3.7Ghz/5.3 Ghz max turbo,16 cores)
    Motherboard
    Asus Z690-P4 D4
    Memory
    128 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA GeForce RTX 3070 FTW3
    Hard Drives
    Ssmsung SSD 970 EVO Plus 2TB
    WDC HDD 6TB
    WDC HDD 4 TB
    PSU
    SuperNOVA 850 G5, 850W
    Case
    Phanteks Enthoo Pro ES614P
No real reason to wait if you don't want to... just follow the tutorial on this site to get yourself the latest ISO file and create your media from that for the installation.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro β
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Pavilion Laptop 15-eg0070wm
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ i7-1165G7
    Memory
    32 GB DDR4-3200 SDRAM
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel® Iris® Xᵉ Graphics
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    2TB PCIe® NVMe™ M.2 SSD
  • Operating System
    macOS Ventura
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Apple iMac 27" 5K (2017)
    CPU
    3.4 GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i5
    Memory
    40 GB 2400 MHz DDR4
    Graphics card(s)
    Radeon Pro 570 4 GB
    Monitor(s) Displays
    27" 5K, 34" UW
    Screen Resolution
    Mon 1: 5120 × 2880 Mon 2: 2560 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    32GB NVME, 1TB SSD
No reason to wait. With your CPU you will in some cases get a better experience on Windows 11 than Windows 10. But the difference is quite small in the end. If you are in a hurry, just upgrade using any means necessary. If you are perfectly happy with your Windows 10 instance I see no real reason to upgrade though.
11 is after all Windows 10 with new skin, new scheduler and a lot of security features forced on you.
I'm personally happy with either. I have one daily driver on 10 and one on 11, both work great.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 build 10.0.22631.3296 (Release Channel) / Linux Mint 21.3 Cinnamon
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Lenovo A485
    CPU
    Ryzen 7 2700U Pro
    Motherboard
    Lenovo (WiFi/BT module upgraded to Intel Wireless-AC-9260)
    Memory
    32GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    iGPU Vega 10
    Sound Card
    Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    14" FHD (built-in) + 14" Lenovo Thinkvision M14t (touch+pen) + 32" Asus PB328
    Screen Resolution
    FHD + FHD + 1440p
    Hard Drives
    Intel 660p m.2 nVME PCIe3.0 x2 512GB
    PSU
    65W
    Keyboard
    Thinkpad / Logitech MX Keys
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 2S
    Internet Speed
    600/300Mbit
    Browser
    Edge (Chromium)
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
    Other Info
    SecureBoot: Enabled
    TPM2.0: Enabled
    AMD-V: Enabled
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 build 10.0.22631.3296(Release Preview Channel)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom
    CPU
    i7-7700k @4.8GHz
    Motherboard
    Asus PRIME Z270-A
    Memory
    32GB 2x16GB 2133MHz CL15
    Graphics card(s)
    EVGA GTX1080Ti FTW 11GB
    Sound Card
    Integrated
    Monitor(s) Displays
    32" 10-bit Asus PB328Q
    Screen Resolution
    WQHD 2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    512GB ADATA SX8000NP NVMe PCIe Gen 3 x4
    PSU
    850W
    Case
    Fractal Design Define 7
    Cooling
    Noctua NH-D15 chromax.black
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 2S
    Keyboard
    Logitech MX Keys
    Internet Speed
    600/300Mbit
    Browser
    Edge (Cromium)
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
    Other Info
    AC WiFi Card
Is there any reason wait until Windows 11 is offered to me?

Jeff,

If you like the new Start menu & Taskbar then there's no particular reason to wait.
If you don't then there's no particular reason to act [until 2025].

All the best,
Denis
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Home x64 Version 23H2 Build 22631.3296
My advice is go for it. If you don't like it you can always roll back to 10. There is plenty of help on here to answer any questions you may have. If you don't like the taskbar, start menu or context menu there are programs to make them like 10. Also you can change the number of rollback days with DISM but I recommend making an image first
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Alienware M18 R1
    CPU
    13th Gen Core i9 13900HX
    Memory
    32GB DDR5 @4800MHz 2x16GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Geforce RTX 4090HX 16GB
    Sound Card
    Nvidia HD / Realtek ALC3254
    Monitor(s) Displays
    18" QHD+
    Screen Resolution
    25660 X 1600
    Hard Drives
    C: KIOXIA (Toshiba) 2TB KXG80ZNV2T04 NVMe PCIe M.2 SSD
    D: KIOXIA (Toshiba) 2TB KXG80ZNV2T04 NVMe PCIe M.2 SSD
    Case
    Dark Metallic Moon
    Keyboard
    Alienware M Series per-key AlienFX RGB
    Mouse
    Alienware AW610M
    Browser
    Chrome and Firefox
    Antivirus
    Norton
    Other Info
    Killer E3000 Ethernet Controller
    Killer Killer AX1690 Wi-Fi Network Adaptor Wi-Fi 6E
    Bluetooth 5.2
    Alienware Z01G Graphic Amplifier
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Alienware Area 51m R2
    CPU
    10th Gen i-9 10900 K
    Memory
    32Gb Dual Channel DDR4 @ 8843MHz
    Graphics card(s)
    Nvidia RTX 2080 Super
    Sound Card
    Nvidia
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    Hard Drive C: Samsung 2TB SSD PM981a NVMe
    Hard Drive D:Samsung 2TB SSD 970 EVO Plus
    Mouse
    Alienware 610M
    Browser
    Chrome
    Antivirus
    Norton
Just adding here that if you download W11 via UUPDUMP etc - and you have old "Technet keys" - they are still working on "Enter product key" and activate Windows. I just created another brand new W11 VM on a different (W11 capable ) machine and entered an old W7 technet W7 Ultimate key -- no problem - activation returned with "Windows now activated with a digital license" so the W7 update route still in some cases is working for Free updates.

How many years has it been since W10 was offered as a free update to W7 users !!! and obviously that seems to imply W7->W11 as on that machine (didn't have any OS "pre installed" ) I installed W11 from scratch and after the initial set up and was requested to activate windows I just did -> change product key and entered the W7 key.

Cheers
jimbo.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows XP,7,10,11 Linux Arch Linux
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    2 X Intel i7
Yes, it's usually the path of least trouble :)

... posting this response after 4 responses going the other way :look:
My vote is the opposite. Waiting for Windows Update has proven, historically, to be the least reliable way of upgrading Windows. At least as far as tenforums.com and elevenforum.com posts indicate.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Homebuilt
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7 3800XT
    Motherboard
    ASUS ROG Crosshair VII Hero (WiFi)
    Memory
    32GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Education
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Inspiron 7773
    CPU
    Intel i7-8550U
    Memory
    32GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Nvidia Geforce MX150
    Sound Card
    Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    17"
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    Toshiba 512GB NVMe SSD
    SK Hynix 512GB SATA SSD
    Internet Speed
    Fast!
My vote is the opposite. Waiting for Windows Update has proven, historically, to be the least reliable way of upgrading Windows. At least as far as tenforums.com and elevenforum.com posts indicate.
Well, 99% of users wait and don't have problems, whereas 1% of users that include those who wait and those who don't wait, have problems and post on forums.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 10 Pro
Well, 99% of users wait and don't have problems, whereas 1% of users that include those who wait and those who don't wait, have problems and post on forums.
If the 99% of users don't have problems, it is also assumed that they don't post on the forums, so how would you know what method they used to upgrade? However, that being said, I have no firsthand experience with waiting for Windows Update because I have always downloaded the ISO file and upgraded manually within a few days of it becoming available and have had no problems.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Homebuilt
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7 3800XT
    Motherboard
    ASUS ROG Crosshair VII Hero (WiFi)
    Memory
    32GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Education
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Inspiron 7773
    CPU
    Intel i7-8550U
    Memory
    32GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Nvidia Geforce MX150
    Sound Card
    Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    17"
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    Toshiba 512GB NVMe SSD
    SK Hynix 512GB SATA SSD
    Internet Speed
    Fast!
I have no firsthand experience with waiting for Windows Update because I have always downloaded the ISO file and upgraded manually within a few days of it becoming available and have had no problems.
I do have first hand experience, deliberately so because I wanted to see what problems other users may run into. I also wanted to see how long before I would be offered the W11 upgrade, and how long it would take. I did the same exercise for the last two major Windows 10 upgrades, 2004 and before that 1903.


For Windows 11 I already knew my System One below (fully compatible and less than a year old) would have no problems upgrading from 10 to 11. I had been running a test upgrade on it since the first Insider build ISO became available. So at the end of September 2021 I re-imaged it back to its Windows 10 image and waited...

...that was the longest two weeks of my life, I wasn't offered the upgrade until October 20th.

All my upgrades through Windows Update have been trouble-free and completely successful...

TL;DR they also take nearly twice as long as using the ISO.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Aspire 3 A315-23
    CPU
    AMD Athlon Silver 3050U
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Radeon Graphics
    Monitor(s) Displays
    laptop screen
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768 native resolution, up to 2560x1440 with Radeon Virtual Super Resolution
    Hard Drives
    1TB Samsung EVO 870 SSD
    Internet Speed
    50 Mbps
    Browser
    Edge, Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October. Windows Update offered the 22H2 Feature Update on 20th September 2022. It got the 23H2 Feature Update on 4th November 2023 through Windows Update.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro (and all my Hyper-V VMs).

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 4GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Beta as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 4GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus the Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Lattitude E4310
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ i5-520M
    Motherboard
    0T6M8G
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics card(s)
    (integrated graphics) Intel HD Graphics
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Hard Drives
    500GB Crucial MX500 SSD
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround. In-place upgrade to 22H2 using ISO and a workaround. Feature Update to 23H2 by manually installing the Enablement Package.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro (and all my Hyper-V VMs).

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 4GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Beta as native boot vhdx.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 4GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus the Insider Beta, Dev, and Canary builds as a native boot .vhdx.
If you upgraded everything for the sole purpose of installing 11, then go for it. If not I would wait until after the first feature update.
I have instructed my clients to wait.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 10
I got a new Notebook in Oct. running Win10 Pro that included the free license for Win11 Pro, has been working fine. Got a new Desktop today with Win10 Pro and am downloading the .iso I'll use to Mount and run the Upgrade from. Granted the use is somewhat different, mostly visual and some things in different places but I need to learn that, already have 2 clients that have gotten new computers with it.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Win11 Pro RTM
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Vostro 3400
    CPU
    Intel Core i5 11th Gen. 2.40GHz
    Memory
    12GB
    Hard Drives
    256GB SSD NVMe
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro RTM x64
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Vostro 5890
    CPU
    Intel Core i5 10th Gen. 2.90GHz
    Memory
    16GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Onboard, no VGA, using a DisplayPort-to-VGA adapter
    Monitor(s) Displays
    24" Dell
    Hard Drives
    512GB SSD NVMe, 2TB WDC HDD
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender/Microsoft Security
If the 99% of users don't have problems, it is also assumed that they don't post on the forums, so how would you know what method they used to upgrade?
Oh, we know very well what 99% of users did, they simply waited until they saw and clicked the 'upgrade' button, because they don't have the slightest idea what else to do, and because it is the same thing they do to upgrade their phones.

The 1% failure rate for WU upgrades is a VERY high estimate, BTW, I just use it for explanation purposes. For a billion devices it would mean 10 million upgrade failures. It is very likely that MS targets something like a 0.01% failure rate or even much better.

In any case, if you want to avoid upgrade troubles, then your statistical chances are at least 100 times better if you simply wait until you can click the 'upgrade' button.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 10 Pro
Windows 11 is a must have OS no reason to wait. I got both my computers on it as fast as possible. it is awesome sauce.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP 17- Ca1065cl
    CPU
    Ryzen5 3500U
    Memory
    12GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    AMD Radeon Vega
    Screen Resolution
    1600 x 900
    Hard Drives
    1TB
    Case
    HP LAPTOP
    Keyboard
    HP LAPTOP
    Mouse
    ELAN TOUCHPAD AND IHOME WIRELESS AND LOGICTECH CORDED
    Internet Speed
    CHARTER SPECTRUM
    Browser
    MICROSOFT EDGE
    Antivirus
    NORTON 360
  • Operating System
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    DELL Inspiron 5400 AIO
    CPU
    11th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-1165G7 @ 2.80GHz 2.80 GHz
    Memory
    16gb
    Graphics card(s)
    Nvidia MX330
    Monitor(s) Displays
    23.8 touch screen
    Hard Drives
    1TB PLUS SSD 256GB
    Case
    DELL AIO
    Mouse
    DELL WIRELESS
    Keyboard
    DELL WIRELESS
    Internet Speed
    CHARTER SPECTRUM
    Browser
    MICROSOFT EDGE
    Antivirus
    NORTON 360
Until yesterday I was pondering the same decision as the OP - should I jump or wait to be pushed. Yesterday I bit the bullet and hit the update button on my Honor MagicBook Pro laptop and crossed my fingers. A reasonable time later W11 Home was up and running with only one slight problem of the Bluetooth mouse continually losing connection. A quick Google found me the answer to that and I am now deep into finding my way around the new layout.

So far I like what I am seeing so my desktop PC is likely to get the same treatment sometime over the weekend. This is my main computer where I do all of my photography editing and DAM so I will be doing an in-place update initially but may then go for a fresh install once I'm happy that everything works as it should do.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Home (64 bit) 23H2; Build 22621.2715
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    N/A
    CPU
    Intel i5-8400
    Motherboard
    ASUS PRIME Z370-P
    Memory
    32GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce RTX3060
    Sound Card
    NVIDIA High Definition Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung LU28R55
    Screen Resolution
    3840 x 2160
    Hard Drives
    C:/ KINGSTON SA400M8480G (410GB)
    D:/ Samsung SSD 850 EVO (250GB)
    E:/ Samsung 3.5" Internal HDD (2TB)
    H:/ 3.5" External USB HDD (2TB)
    J:/ Samsung 3.5" Internal HDD (2TB)
    PSU
    N/K
    Case
    N/K
    Cooling
    N/K
    Keyboard
    Bluetooth wireless
    Mouse
    Bluetooth wireless
    Internet Speed
    1Gb/s
    Browser
    Brave
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
    Other Info
    4TB Synology NAS (SHR)
    Upgraded from W10 Home on 29/04/2022
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Home (64 bit) 23H2; Build 22631.2861
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Huawei Honor MagicBook Pro
    CPU
    Intel i5-10210U
    Motherboard
    Huawei HBB-WX9-PCB M1010
    Memory
    16MB
    Graphics card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce MX350
    Sound Card
    Intel
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Inbuilt 16.2" CMN PnP Monitor
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    410GB HDD (manufacturer not known)
    PSU
    External 65W USB-C
    Case
    Aluminium
    Cooling
    Dual coolers
    Mouse
    Huawei HID compliant
    Keyboard
    Std QWERTY
    Internet Speed
    1Gb/s
    Browser
    Brave
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
    Other Info
    Upgraded from W10 on 28/04/2022
    Upgraded to 23H2 on 28/12/2023
Meanwhile, the OP has not been back to this thread yet.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Homebuilt
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7 3800XT
    Motherboard
    ASUS ROG Crosshair VII Hero (WiFi)
    Memory
    32GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Education
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Inspiron 7773
    CPU
    Intel i7-8550U
    Memory
    32GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Nvidia Geforce MX150
    Sound Card
    Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    17"
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    Toshiba 512GB NVMe SSD
    SK Hynix 512GB SATA SSD
    Internet Speed
    Fast!

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