22H2-A good time to develop a backup plan if you haven't already.

CountMike · Sep 17, 2022

I have my MS account ever since beginning of internet, Hotmail is one of safest E-mail accounts and account itself was most helpful.

fruh · Sep 17, 2022

z3r010 said:
Nothing, just Microsoft accounts seem to irritate some folks tin foil hats

What's bad is how microsoft constantly tries to have you make one even if you don't want to. There are other threads y'all can read about this, I don't want to get too much off topic :)

@cereberus in my settings all backup options are greyed out since I have a local account, but I will dive deeper into it, thanks

Ghot · Sep 17, 2022

rdburke said:
I know that everyone has their preferences but what is so bad about having a Microsoft Account?

Once you make a Microsoft account, strange things start to happen.

1. You start to eat cereal with a fork.
2. You start to believe that MS has your best interests at heart.
3. Some even believe that "Widgets" is a good thing.
4. You start sacrificing devices running other OSes on Patch Tuesday.
5. You make pilgrimages to Redmond, Washington, to pray.
6. You watch MS marketing videos and believe they were made by humans.

The horror... the horror.

Try3 · Sep 17, 2022

rdburke said:
what is so bad about having a Microsoft Account?

Nothing, provided that you also have a local, password-protected Admin user account to log into if your MSAccount does not let you log in.
Local accounts have fewer moving parts so there's less to get jammed up.

Denis

firas465 · Sep 17, 2022

cereberus said:
You do not need an MS account to use the Windows backup tool!

You need a microsoft account to use windows

firas465 · Sep 17, 2022

Ghot said:
Once you make a Microsoft account, strange things start to happen.

1. You start to eat cereal with a fork.
2. You start to believe that MS has your best interests at heart.
3. Some even believe that "Widgets" is a good thing.
4. You start sacrificing devices running other OSes on Patch Tuesday.
5. You make pilgrimages to Redmond, Washington, to pray.
6. You watch MS marketing videos and believe they were made by humans.

The horror... the horror.

LOL WHERE DO U COME UP WITH THESE THINGS

Ghot · Sep 17, 2022

firas465 said:
You need a microsoft account to use windows

No, you don't.

How to Install Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account

Maintain only a local account on your Windows 11 PC.

www.tomshardware.com

Bree · Sep 17, 2022

fruh said:
Strangely enough, the only built-in "backup" option they offer in windows 11 is just another way to have you make a microsoft account

'Backup & Restore (Windows 7)' is still there in the Control Panel if you go looking for it (don't use it!).
Just doesn't get shown anywhere else now, not even in a search from Start.

Bree · Sep 17, 2022

rdburke said:
I know that everyone has their preferences but what is so bad about having a Microsoft Account?

z3r010 said:
Nothing, just Microsoft accounts seem to irritate some folks tin foil hats

I still avoid using my MS account to sign in to any of my PCs, but that's for the practical reason that should it ever get corrupted then you risk being locked out of your PC until you fix it (seen too many posts from users in that situation).

I'm perfectly happy to sign in for my apps though, the Store, Widgets, etc.

Add Microsoft account to Local account for Hybrid account in Windows 11 Tutorial

A Microsoft account (MSA) is a good choice if a user wants to use the same account on multiple devices, or wants to make it easy to use all / any Microsoft services. Setting up a preinstalled Windows 10 on a new device, after a clean install, or creating a new user on existing Windows...

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TairikuOkami · Sep 17, 2022

Bree said:
I still avoid using my MS account to sign in to any of my PCs, but that's for the practical reason that should it ever get corrupted then you risk being locked out of your PC until you fix it (seen too many posts from users in that situation).

Some people decide to use MS account unwillingly, but they still want to remain anonymous, so they refuse to give their phone number and they use a throwaway email. When something goes wrong, they can not login, nor recover the account, so they blame MS again.

Bree · Sep 17, 2022

glasskuter said:
With 22H2 coming out within a week, now is a good time to consider using one of the free backup programs available to you.

Doubly so for 22H2. It looks to be a full Feature Update, not a minor feature update through a little enablement package like we've got used to with W10 these past few years.

Ghot · Sep 17, 2022

Bastet · Sep 17, 2022

I’m a member of several forums & I find I’m still surprised on how many users do not have any backup at all, so when told they need to clean install Windows they’re reluctant. It takes less time to backup using imaging software than it does to clean install Windows & reinstall everything again.

Bree · Sep 17, 2022

Bree said:
I still avoid using my MS account to sign in to any of my PCs, but that's for the practical reason that should it ever get corrupted then you risk being locked out of your PC until you fix it (seen too many posts from users in that situation).

And just to emphasise that point, today there is another one....

Microsoft logon account

So after a blunder of changing my computer to "Reset HP back to factory settings" ...... yeah i know !! Anyway for some reason MS would not recognize my old account so i made a new one to get up & running ! Now i have tried to logon with old account, which MS says i tried to many times & now...

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glasskuter · Sep 17, 2022

@Bastet I look at the threads right here on this one and bury my head in my hands. I might could understand if one had to buy a backup program or if the process was difficult to do, but we know neither is so. The biggest problem is that people are too complacent in thinking that nothing bad will ever happen to them. To me, backing up is the same for my computer as changing the oil in my car...preventive maintenance. I say to everyone I know, "Having a backup is not for IF your computer has trouble, but WHEN. It's gonna happen some time or another."

CountMike · Sep 17, 2022

When they loose precious baby pictures they'll get a hint.

glasskuter · Sep 17, 2022

CountMike said:
precious baby pictures they'll get a hint

Sometimes not even then.

The conversation always goes something like this:
"Back in '03 you were able to recover all my files from my hard drive and again in '15 you moved them to my new computer. You didn't charge me anything."
" Yes, and that was only because you are my friend and I spent all day doing it. Windows crashed back then. I told you to back everything up. This time your hard drive is dead. The files are gone."
"It was too much trouble. I just don't understand it. Why do these things happen to me? No one I know has ever had a drive go bad. Oh, my precious babies. I just CAN'T lose everything. You have to do something."
"I can't. You can send the drive to a recovery specialist who have specialized tools. Maybe for a gazillion dollars they can get your files."
"I can't afford that. I'll just take it somewhere else. You're not my friend anymore."
"I'm sorry for your loss. There's the door. Have a good day."

OldMainframeGuy · Sep 17, 2022

glasskuter said:
I know everyone gets sick of hearing sermons about making backups. But I also know from reading posts on this forum that there are still many who do not do it. With 22H2 coming out within a week, now is a good time to consider using one of the free backup programs available to you. Backup your system before you apply the major update and make regular backups going forward..

We all have a favorite backup program, but what you use doesn't matter. What matters is that you have a backup plan in place using the backup program of your choice. Make recovery media per the program's instructions and test that you can boot from it. Being prepared for an emergency just makes common sense. I promise you, at some point you WILL need one.

I use the commercial (paid) version of Macrium Reflect to back up my data drive nightly and my system drive weekly, all scheduled so I don't even have to think about it. I guess it's my professional background. :)

cereberus · Sep 17, 2022

firas465 said:
You need a microsoft account to use windows

Well I was going to reply, but I see this user has been banned LOL.

CountMike · Sep 17, 2022

glasskuter said:
Sometimes not even then.

The conversation always goes something like this:
"Back in '03 you were able to recover all my files from my hard drive and again in '15 you moved them to my new computer. You didn't charge me anything."
" Yes, and that was only because you are my friend and I spent all day doing it. Windows crashed back then. I told you to back everything up. This time your hard drive is dead. The files are gone."
"It was too much trouble. I just don't understand it. Why do these things happen to me? No one I know has ever had a drive go bad. Oh, my precious babies. I just CAN'T lose everything. You have to do something."
"I can't. You can send the drive to a recovery specialist who have specialized tools. Maybe for a gazillion dollars they can get your files."
"I can't afford that. I'll just take it somewhere else. You're not my friend anymore."
"I'm sorry for your loss. There's the door. Have a good day."

Quite right, all kinds of excuses. including using Recycle bin for temporary storage or hanging everything on desktop. I used baby pictures as an example but there are also important documents, lost passwords, you name it. One off things that can never be replaced. total loss and no insurance. On mechanical HDDs chances for retrieval were pretty good if disk works at all but with SSDs it's in domain of deep forensics at FBI/CIA/NSA/GRU...