24H1 for final RTM -- - a possibility in Q1 2024 or so. ??


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Is there likely to be a proper RTM -- say 24H1 in Q1 2024 which should be "current" plus odd updates - security and bug updates until EOL of W11

I think some people would like some type of W11 LTSC now -- W11 has been out long enough. Sort the insider buids out too --4 different streams is totally BONKERS.

The old "Service pack" updates weren't a bad idea but using a "Rolling release model" might be OK for Linux developers it's hardly appropriate for the 100,000's of Windows users world wide - most of whom aren't technical or developers.

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I believe MS has said no more H1 feature packs.
But they say a lot of things. :-)
 

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Ghot said:
I believe MS has said no more H1 feature packs.
But they say a lot of things. :-)
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I've seen that mentioned a lot, also have seen speculation Win10 will no longer have xxH2 upgrade/update, only Builds until End of Support on Oct. 14, 2025.
 

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Berton said:
I've seen that mentioned a lot, also have seen speculation Win10 will no longer have xxH2 upgrade/update, only Builds until End of Support on Oct. 14, 2025.
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I've seen the same.

It would be nice if my fingers typed what I tell them to. All hail the edit button. :D
 

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From what I know/read they'll be no more LTSC's at least that what I'm guessing guy's
 

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I have some Notebooks and couple three Desktops with Win10 that can't do a proper/untweaked install of Win11 but will run a version of Linux rather than just go into the landfill.
 

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Ghot said:
I believe MS has said no more H1 feature packs.
But they say a lot of things. :-)
Click to expand...
For Windows 11 they did simplify the major updates cycle by switching to just one Feature Update a year (which is why we've only gotten H2 releases), but now they've made it more complicated than ever by releasing new features and UI changes outside of the Feature Updates (i.e the "Moments" updates.
 

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Berton said:
.... have seen speculation Win10 will no longer have xxH2 upgrade/update, only Builds until End of Support on Oct. 14, 2025.
Click to expand...
Not speculation, stated as fact by MS.

Microsoft said:
Windows 10 will reach end of support on October 14, 2025. The current version, 22H2, will be the final version of Windows 10.
Click to expand...
www.tenforums.com

Windows 10 version 22H2 end of servicing on October 14, 2025

Windows 10, version 22H2 will be the final version of Windows 10. As documented on the Windows 10 Enterprise and Education and Windows 10 Home and Pro lifecycle pages, Windows 10 will reach end of support on October 14, 2025. The current version, 22
www.tenforums.com www.tenforums.com
 

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But ya really never know with MS. :-)


MS: "Windows 10 will be the last ever version of Windows".

24 months later...
[Enter stage left]: Windows 11.
 

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Berton said:
I've seen that mentioned a lot, also have seen speculation Win10 will no longer have xxH2 upgrade/update, only Builds until End of Support on Oct. 14, 2025.
Click to expand...
It probably makes sense to "freeze" W10" as I suppose any new hardware will be W11 capable. These days many enterprises also use the cloud much more so there won't be the pressure on extending EOL of W10 unlike the XP experience.

Cheers
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