Solved A little Wordpad mystery


(I'm still finding it hard to get used to the term 'app', I'm that far behind on developments, lol. My brain just wants to call everything either a program or a utility/tool like we did 20+ years ago.)
The term 'app' is widely (mis)used today to broadly cover all types of programs.

Traditional Windows programs are technically known as 'Desktop Windows Applications', or 'Win32 applications' because they use the Win32 API to communicate with the system. Windows 8 introduced a whole different way for programs to interact with the OS called Windows Runtime. These were the Store Apps that first appeared in W8 and made the name 'app' commonplace. Windows Runtime was superseded by the Universal Windows Platform (UWP) in Windows 10 and which all Store Apps now use.

Microsoft had wanted to make UWP the primary form of 'programming' going forwards, but it never really took off as they would have liked. Win32 apps (programs) are still alive and well, even it we refer to them as 'apps' these days ;)

I had seen a few members use that expression 'portable apps' in the last day or two, as I was looking at a few threads. I didn't know what that meant and it was on my list of things to look into.

Portable Apps are Win32 applications that do not need to be installed. They can even be run from a USB stick, making them truly portable in ever sense. That's either because they use their own .ini file to save the settings rather than the registry, or (like LibreOffice Portable) they have been packaged using the PortableApps.com Platform which maintains a copy of all the registry settings they would otherwise have had created for them by the installer.

LibreOffice Portable is a full-featured portable version of LibreOffice for Windows – including a word processor, spreadsheet, presentation tool, drawing package and database – packaged as a portable app, so you can take all your documents and everything you need to work with them wherever you go. It is packaged in PortableApps.com format so it can work with the PortableApps.com platform and its automatic updater and app store, work with other portable menus, or work by itself from a USB, cloud or local drive.

Google for your favourite free software adding the search term 'portable' and you'll almost certainly find there's a portable version of it on PortableApps.com.

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The term 'app' is widely (mis)used today to broadly cover all types of programs.
In that case Microsoft 'himself' is misusing that term.
Why? Because in Settings in the Dutch version, the entry that was formerly called 'Programma's en onderdelen' (in the control panel) simply has been renamed 'Apps' in the settings. If you click that option, you get a list of all applications, both traditional 32-bit / 64-bit apps and UWP-apps.

And that is what the term 'Apps' is pointing at: it's just an abbreviation of 'application'!
So I would not care about how they call it, more caring about what a certain 'app' does.
 

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Google for your favourite free software adding the search term 'portable' and you'll almost certainly find there's a portable version of it on PortableApps.com.
Is it necessary to download it from PortableAppsdotcom, can you not just extract the Setup?
That's how I do it. 🤷‍♂️

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Is it necessary to download it from PortableAppsdotcom, can you not just extract the Setup?
That's how I do it. 🤷‍♂️
And where does your Firefox then store its profiles/cookies/web cache? A conventional install stores them in %appdata%\Mozilla, that's on your C: drive. The portable apps version stores them in the FirefoxPortable\Data folder, that's wherever you put your FirefoxPortable folder. If that is on a USB then you can take it with you and have your all your bookmarks, extensions, browsing history, etc. available, whatever PC you run it on.
 

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Came back to the computer after some hours away. I think I figured out the puzzle. :unsure: Feeling a bit silly not to have realized it before now, guess it shows what a greenhorn I am, lol. I think the Wordpad files were acting as I described because I had renamed the folder that the files were in (while the files were still open on the taskbar). I forgot I had done that just before I started noticing the behavioural change with the files. blush,bagonhead.gif
 

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I think I figured out the puzzle. :unsure: .... I think the Wordpad files were acting as I described because I had renamed the folder that the files were in (while the files were still open on the taskbar).
Yes, that would do it. Any program that can't save to the original offers the chance to save elsewhere.
I must admit though, that was one possible reason I hadn't considered in post #7 🤣

This will happen in any program when you cannot make changes to the original. This could be because it's a read-only file, or that folder permission don't allow you to change it.
 

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    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro RTM and Insider Dev, Beta, and RP 24H2 as native boot vhdx.

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    My SYSTEM SIX is a Dell Latitude 5550, Core Ultra 7 165H, 64GB RAM, 1TB NVMe SSD, supported device, Windows 11 Pro 24H2, Hyper-V host machine.
Yes, that would do it. Any program that can't save to the original offers the chance to save elsewhere.
I must admit though, that was one possible reason I hadn't considered in post #7 🤣
yep. my bad. ashamed1.gif
So busy learning new stuff trying to fly.gifthat I went and forgot the basics. :woozy:

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