Solved AI PCs aren't selling, and Microsoft's PC partners are scrambling


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Myself, I wouldn't want an AI PC just because IMHO it's another vector of personal info gathering.

Microsoft has gone all-in with its plans to turn the Windows PC into an AI-powered 'agentic OS.' But at least one PC maker says consumers aren't buying the Copilot hype.
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That's "a bit of a shift from a year ago, where we were all about the AI PC," he acknowledged. "What we've learned over the course of this year, especially from a consumer perspective, they're not buying based on AI. In fact, I think AI probably confuses them more than it helps them understand a specific outcome."
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www.zdnet.com

AI PCs aren't selling, and Microsoft's PC partners are scrambling

Microsoft has gone all-in with its plans to turn the Windows PC into an AI-powered 'agentic OS.' But at least one PC maker says consumers aren't buying the Copilot hype.
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Yep
As far as Microsoft's entry, it's more of a gimmick than a real improvement.
 

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Yeah AI PCs are good at working with LLMs and perform worst for general compute tasks. I've noticed Microsoft has been adding MCP servers to Windows too. MCP essentially gives LLMs the abiltiy to access data on your system and perform action on that data. Sounds like we'll see a whole new category of attacks on Windows. No thanks.
 

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Kalemucu said:
I want an AI PC, no one ever said.
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An AI PC is just a computer that comes bundled with malware to scarf all your personal information more effectively and send it to whomever. No thanks.
 

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    Win11 25H2 26200.7623
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Lenovo P520
    CPU
    Intel XEON W-2245 8c/16t
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    128GB DDR4-2933 ECC
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    Nvidia Quadro K4200
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    LCD 24in
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    900W
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    Air
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    1Gb
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    Firefox & Chrome
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    Lenovo T530
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    Intel Core i7-3520m
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    16GB
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    integrated CPU graphics
    Hard Drives
    1TB SSD
    Internet Speed
    1Gb
    Browser
    Fiefox & Chrome
    Antivirus
    Malwarebytes
I am confused.

I have the latest windows 11 and Copilot was included as an app.
Copilot is now in my taskbar.

If I have to search for information on ANYTHING I will first use CoPilot

The answers are very quick and accurate. Latest search. We are going for
a holiday to South Africa and wanted to know about a restaurant close
to where we have rented a condo. Restaurant - MiHa Melrose Arch

Below is Copilots response


MiHa Melrose Arch — Quick Overview
* Cuisine: Contemporary fusion with strong Mediterranean and Middle Eastern influence
* Vibe: Trendy, stylish, social — great for evenings out
* Rating: 4.2 ★ (949 reviews)
* Hours: Open now, closes 11:30 p.m.
* Address: Melrose Shop HL48, Melrose Arch, Johannesburg
* Website: miha.co.za

Is there any risk to me for me using Copilot?
 

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windows 11 ,Ubuntu Cinnamon - for tinkering onlyIntel i51140016 GB0
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Intel i511400
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ASUS PRIME B560-PLUS motherboard
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16 GB
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Firefox, Microsoft Edge
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Defender
MS made a huge mistake. They didn't get AI working before they tried to sell it.
 

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From what I have read 26H1 will only be for Copilot+ PC's.
 

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    PC/Desktop
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    Intel Core i9 14900F (24 -Core, 68 MB Total Cache)
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    Dell Alienware
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    32GB DDR5
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    1000 Watt Platinum Dell
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My System Two is a Microsoft Surface Laptop Copilot+ PC. I really like it a lot. I was fully prepared to return it if I didn't like it, but for me it's a keeper. I'm quite impressed with the speed of the Snapdragon X Elite ARM processor. I have yet to have the battery be below 60% at the end of the day.

I use Copilot many times every day. The majority of my use is for Windows and technical questions. For me, Copilot has always been accurate and extremely helpful. When I have difficulty understanding something, I love being able to continue asking additional questions until I've gained a full understanding. After using it heavily for the past 18 months, I would not want to be without my Copilot Key.
 
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    Windows 11 Pro
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    Laptop
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    Dell XPS 16 DA16260
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    Intel Series 3 Core Ultra X9 388H
    Memory
    64GB LPDDR5x 9600 MT/s
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    Intel Arc graphics B390 Panther Lake
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    Microsoft Surface Laptop 7
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    Snapdragon® X Elite (12 Core) with Hexagon NPU delivering 45 TOPS
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    32GB LPDDR5x 8448 MT/s
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    Microsoft Sysinternals
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    Microsoft BitLocker
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Josey Wales said:
From what I have read 26H1 will only be for Copilot+ PC's.
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Windows 11 version 26H1 will ship exclusively on new computers featuring next-generation ARM processors, specifically the Qualcomm Snapdragon X2 and likely NVIDIA N1X platforms. It will not be available as a standard upgrade for existing Intel or AMD-based PCs.
 

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    Windows 11 25H2
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    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Alienware 18 Area-51
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    Intel Core Ultra 9 275HX (24-Core)
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    Alienware
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    64GB DDR5 6400MT/s
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    NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5080 and Intel UHD Graphics
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    2TB NVMe M.2 PCIe Gen 5 SSD
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    Magnesium Alloy
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    Advanced Cryo-Tech Quad-Fan Cooling system & large vapor chamber
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    Cherry MX ultra low profile mechanical keyboard with per key AlienFX RGB lighting
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    Logitech MX Master 4
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    Vivaldi (main), Firefox, Chrome, Edge
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    MS Defender and Malwarebytes Free

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    Windows 11 25H2Qualcomm Snapdragon X Elite (12 Core) ARM bas...16GB LPDDR5Qualcomm Adreno X1-85
    Operating System
    Windows 11 25H2
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Microsoft Surface Laptop 7
    CPU
    Qualcomm Snapdragon X Elite (12 Core) ARM based CPU
    Motherboard
    Microsoft Corp.
    Memory
    16GB LPDDR5
    Graphics card(s)
    Qualcomm Adreno X1-85
    Sound Card
    Omnisonic speakers with Dolby Atmos spatial sound
    Monitor(s) Displays
    120 Hz 13.8-inch 600 nit PixelSense Flow touchscreen
    Screen Resolution
    2304x1536
    Hard Drives
    1TB NVMe Gen 4 SSD
    Case
    Anodized Aluminum
    Cooling
    Traditional active cooling fan system
    Keyboard
    Mechanical QWERTY, backlit when in use
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 4 and Surface Arc Mouse
    Browser
    Vivaldi (main), Firefox, Chrome, Edge
    Antivirus
    MS Defender and Malwarebytes Free
Problem is many high end PC's are being sold with AI rather you want it or not now. I wanted two specific PC's but no co-pilot and no NPU wasn't an option. Anyway, you still have some choice on using it or not.
 

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    OS
    Windows 11 25H2
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Alienware 18 Area-51
    CPU
    Intel Core Ultra 9 275HX (24-Core)
    Motherboard
    Alienware
    Memory
    64GB DDR5 6400MT/s
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    NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5080 and Intel UHD Graphics
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    Onboard, Realtek high-performance Audio chips (ALC3329 & ALC1708))
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    300HZ 18-inch QHD 500 nit Comfort View+
    Screen Resolution
    2560 x 1600
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    2TB NVMe M.2 PCIe Gen 5 SSD
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    Magnesium Alloy
    Cooling
    Advanced Cryo-Tech Quad-Fan Cooling system & large vapor chamber
    Keyboard
    Cherry MX ultra low profile mechanical keyboard with per key AlienFX RGB lighting
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    Logitech MX Master 4
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    Vivaldi (main), Firefox, Chrome, Edge
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    MS Defender and Malwarebytes Free

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    Windows 11 25H2
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Microsoft Surface Laptop 7
    CPU
    Qualcomm Snapdragon X Elite (12 Core) ARM based CPU
    Motherboard
    Microsoft Corp.
    Memory
    16GB LPDDR5
    Graphics card(s)
    Qualcomm Adreno X1-85
    Sound Card
    Omnisonic speakers with Dolby Atmos spatial sound
    Monitor(s) Displays
    120 Hz 13.8-inch 600 nit PixelSense Flow touchscreen
    Screen Resolution
    2304x1536
    Hard Drives
    1TB NVMe Gen 4 SSD
    Case
    Anodized Aluminum
    Cooling
    Traditional active cooling fan system
    Keyboard
    Mechanical QWERTY, backlit when in use
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 4 and Surface Arc Mouse
    Browser
    Vivaldi (main), Firefox, Chrome, Edge
    Antivirus
    MS Defender and Malwarebytes Free
Ghot said:
MS made a huge mistake. They didn't get AI working before they tried to sell it.
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Neither did anybody else. 😅 lol...

FrancoDT said:
Windows 11 version 26H1 will ship exclusively on new computers featuring next-generation ARM processors, specifically the Qualcomm Snapdragon X2 and likely NVIDIA N1X platforms. It will not be available as a standard upgrade for existing Intel or AMD-based PCs.
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Meaning people will have to go out and buy new hardware to run it. In principle, just like going from Windows 10 to Windows 11. Doh.

Talk about our disposable society... Talk about rip-off... 😡
 

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    Windows 11 Pro 25H2 build: (26200.7623)32GB
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    Windows 11 Pro 25H2 build: (26200.7623)
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Microsoft Surface Pro
    Memory
    32GB

  • At a glance

    Microsoft 25H2 ProIntel Core Ultra 764GBIntel Integrated Graphics
    Operating System
    Microsoft 25H2 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Pro 14 - PC14250
    CPU
    Intel Core Ultra 7
    Memory
    64GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel Integrated Graphics
    Hard Drives
    Micron 1TB SSD
cheaterslick said:
Meaning people will have to go out and buy new hardware to run it. In principle, just like going from Windows 10 to Windows 11. Doh.

Talk about our disposable society... Talk about rip-off... 😡
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I hope they aren't buying those machines just for 26H1 and more advanced AI. Those are snappy little machines though so if they NEED new machines I'd recommend them. I have an earlier gen Snapdragon X Elite and like it a lot.
 

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    Windows 11 25H2Intel Core Ultra 9 275HX (24-Core)64GB DDR5 6400MT/sNVIDIA GeForce RTX 5080 and Intel UHD Graphics
    OS
    Windows 11 25H2
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Alienware 18 Area-51
    CPU
    Intel Core Ultra 9 275HX (24-Core)
    Motherboard
    Alienware
    Memory
    64GB DDR5 6400MT/s
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5080 and Intel UHD Graphics
    Sound Card
    Onboard, Realtek high-performance Audio chips (ALC3329 & ALC1708))
    Monitor(s) Displays
    300HZ 18-inch QHD 500 nit Comfort View+
    Screen Resolution
    2560 x 1600
    Hard Drives
    2TB NVMe M.2 PCIe Gen 5 SSD
    Case
    Magnesium Alloy
    Cooling
    Advanced Cryo-Tech Quad-Fan Cooling system & large vapor chamber
    Keyboard
    Cherry MX ultra low profile mechanical keyboard with per key AlienFX RGB lighting
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 4
    Browser
    Vivaldi (main), Firefox, Chrome, Edge
    Antivirus
    MS Defender and Malwarebytes Free

  • At a glance

    Windows 11 25H2Qualcomm Snapdragon X Elite (12 Core) ARM bas...16GB LPDDR5Qualcomm Adreno X1-85
    Operating System
    Windows 11 25H2
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Microsoft Surface Laptop 7
    CPU
    Qualcomm Snapdragon X Elite (12 Core) ARM based CPU
    Motherboard
    Microsoft Corp.
    Memory
    16GB LPDDR5
    Graphics card(s)
    Qualcomm Adreno X1-85
    Sound Card
    Omnisonic speakers with Dolby Atmos spatial sound
    Monitor(s) Displays
    120 Hz 13.8-inch 600 nit PixelSense Flow touchscreen
    Screen Resolution
    2304x1536
    Hard Drives
    1TB NVMe Gen 4 SSD
    Case
    Anodized Aluminum
    Cooling
    Traditional active cooling fan system
    Keyboard
    Mechanical QWERTY, backlit when in use
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 4 and Surface Arc Mouse
    Browser
    Vivaldi (main), Firefox, Chrome, Edge
    Antivirus
    MS Defender and Malwarebytes Free
FrancoDT said:
I hope they aren't buying those machines just for 26H1 and more advanced AI. Those are snappy little machines though so if they NEED new machines I'd recommend them. I have an earlier gen Snapdragon X Elite and like it a lot.
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Yeah, but I don't like throwing out hardware that's only a couple of years old. Not only do I not have the money for it but it's also wasteful.

I'm glad AI PCs aren't selling. It will send them a message that not everybody out there wants one. Call me old school on that. 🧐
 
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System One System Two

  • At a glance

    Windows 11 Pro 25H2 build: (26200.7623)32GB
    OS
    Windows 11 Pro 25H2 build: (26200.7623)
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Microsoft Surface Pro
    Memory
    32GB

  • At a glance

    Microsoft 25H2 ProIntel Core Ultra 764GBIntel Integrated Graphics
    Operating System
    Microsoft 25H2 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Pro 14 - PC14250
    CPU
    Intel Core Ultra 7
    Memory
    64GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel Integrated Graphics
    Hard Drives
    Micron 1TB SSD
cheaterslick said:
Yeah, but I don't like throwing out hardware that's only a couple of years old. Not only do I not have the money for it but it's also wasteful.
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Oh I hear that, seems like computers depreciate faster and faster anymore. And they are way to pricy to keep replacing.
 

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System One System Two

  • At a glance

    Windows 11 25H2Intel Core Ultra 9 275HX (24-Core)64GB DDR5 6400MT/sNVIDIA GeForce RTX 5080 and Intel UHD Graphics
    OS
    Windows 11 25H2
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Alienware 18 Area-51
    CPU
    Intel Core Ultra 9 275HX (24-Core)
    Motherboard
    Alienware
    Memory
    64GB DDR5 6400MT/s
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5080 and Intel UHD Graphics
    Sound Card
    Onboard, Realtek high-performance Audio chips (ALC3329 & ALC1708))
    Monitor(s) Displays
    300HZ 18-inch QHD 500 nit Comfort View+
    Screen Resolution
    2560 x 1600
    Hard Drives
    2TB NVMe M.2 PCIe Gen 5 SSD
    Case
    Magnesium Alloy
    Cooling
    Advanced Cryo-Tech Quad-Fan Cooling system & large vapor chamber
    Keyboard
    Cherry MX ultra low profile mechanical keyboard with per key AlienFX RGB lighting
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 4
    Browser
    Vivaldi (main), Firefox, Chrome, Edge
    Antivirus
    MS Defender and Malwarebytes Free

  • At a glance

    Windows 11 25H2Qualcomm Snapdragon X Elite (12 Core) ARM bas...16GB LPDDR5Qualcomm Adreno X1-85
    Operating System
    Windows 11 25H2
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Microsoft Surface Laptop 7
    CPU
    Qualcomm Snapdragon X Elite (12 Core) ARM based CPU
    Motherboard
    Microsoft Corp.
    Memory
    16GB LPDDR5
    Graphics card(s)
    Qualcomm Adreno X1-85
    Sound Card
    Omnisonic speakers with Dolby Atmos spatial sound
    Monitor(s) Displays
    120 Hz 13.8-inch 600 nit PixelSense Flow touchscreen
    Screen Resolution
    2304x1536
    Hard Drives
    1TB NVMe Gen 4 SSD
    Case
    Anodized Aluminum
    Cooling
    Traditional active cooling fan system
    Keyboard
    Mechanical QWERTY, backlit when in use
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 4 and Surface Arc Mouse
    Browser
    Vivaldi (main), Firefox, Chrome, Edge
    Antivirus
    MS Defender and Malwarebytes Free
FrancoDT said:
Oh I hear that, seems like computers depreciate faster and faster anymore. And they are way to pricy to keep replacing.
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Just because some people want AI to run their lives, that doesn't mean everybody else out there wants AI to run their lives. 🤨

That's how I approach it.
 

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  • At a glance

    Windows 11 Pro 25H2 build: (26200.7623)32GB
    OS
    Windows 11 Pro 25H2 build: (26200.7623)
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Microsoft Surface Pro
    Memory
    32GB

  • At a glance

    Microsoft 25H2 ProIntel Core Ultra 764GBIntel Integrated Graphics
    Operating System
    Microsoft 25H2 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Pro 14 - PC14250
    CPU
    Intel Core Ultra 7
    Memory
    64GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel Integrated Graphics
    Hard Drives
    Micron 1TB SSD
AI has its uses (although I object to term AI as it is just marketing bs). Its use in hearing aid technology development has led to significant improvement in assisting hearing aid users hear speech with loud background noise for example.

However, the relentless pursuit of AI in Windows totally overestimates domestic user usage/needs of AI. I (out of curiosity) tried to use copilot to suggest report improvements and its results were laughable. My 13 year old step grand daughter could do better!

In the end, with regards to Windows, AI is A SOLUTION TO A PROBLEM WE NEVER HAD.
 

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Windows 11 Pro + Win11 Canary VM.I9 13th gen i9-13900H 2.60 GHZ16 GB solderedIntegrated Intel Iris XE
OS
Windows 11 Pro + Win11 Canary VM.
Computer type
Laptop
Manufacturer/Model
ASUS Zenbook 14
CPU
I9 13th gen i9-13900H 2.60 GHZ
Motherboard
Yep, Laptop has one.
Memory
16 GB soldered
Graphics Card(s)
Integrated Intel Iris XE
Sound Card
Realtek built in
Monitor(s) Displays
laptop OLED screen
Screen Resolution
2880x1800 touchscreen
Hard Drives
1 TB NVME SSD (only weakness is only one slot)
PSU
Internal + 65W thunderbolt USB4 charger
Case
Yep, got one
Cooling
Stella Artois (UK pint cans - 568 ml) - extra cost.
Keyboard
Built in UK keybd
Mouse
Bluetooth , wireless dongled, wired
Internet Speed
900 mbs (ethernet), wifi 6 typical 350-450 mb/s both up and down
Browser
Edge
Antivirus
Defender
Other Info
TPM 2.0, 2xUSB4 thunderbolt, 1xUsb3 (usb a), 1xUsb-c, hdmi out, 3.5 mm audio out/in combo, ASUS backlit trackpad (inc. switchable number pad)

Macrium Reflect Home V8
Office 365 Family (6 users each 1TB onedrive space)
Hyper-V (a vm runs almost as fast as my older laptop)
if i wanted a new computer without AI and it wasn't available
i would then build my own making sure no elements contained or would use AI
even if that meant going backwards to older CPU's and components
and if Windows didn't/wouldn't run on it then i would use Linux.

best of luck Steve ..
 

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  • At a glance

    Debian 13 KDE .. Windows 11 HomeRyzen 7 5825u64GB DDR4 3200Ryzen 7 5825u
    OS
    Debian 13 KDE .. Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP 24" AiO
    CPU
    Ryzen 7 5825u
    Motherboard
    HP
    Memory
    64GB DDR4 3200
    Graphics Card(s)
    Ryzen 7 5825u
    Sound Card
    RealTek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    24" HP AiO
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080 @60 Hz
    Hard Drives
    1TB WD Blue SN580 M2 SSD Partitioned.
    2x 1TB USB HDD External Backup/Storage.
    PSU
    90W external power brick
    Case
    24" All in One
    Cooling
    Default Air Cooling
    Keyboard
    HP WiFi UK extended
    Mouse
    HP WiFi 3 Button
    Internet Speed
    1GB full fibre
    Browser
    Edge & Firefox
    Antivirus
    AVG Internet Security/Windows Defender
    Other Info
    Mainly Open Source Software

  • At a glance

    Ubuntu 22.04.5 LTSi5 7200u16GB DDR4Intel
    Operating System
    Ubuntu 22.04.5 LTS
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell 13" Latitude 2017
    CPU
    i5 7200u
    Motherboard
    Dell
    Memory
    16GB DDR4
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel
    Sound Card
    Intel
    Monitor(s) Displays
    13" Dell Laptop
    Hard Drives
    250GB Crucial 2.5" SSD
    Mouse
    Generic WiFi 3 button
    Internet Speed
    WiFi only
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    ClamAV TK
    Other Info
    Mainly Open Source Software
XxXxX said:
if i wanted a new computer without AI and it wasn't available
i would then build my own making sure no elements contained or would use AI
even if that meant going backwards to older CPU's and components
and if Windows didn't/wouldn't run on it then i would use Linux.

best of luck Steve ..
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Using Linux rather than Windows with AI?

To me, it sounds like "cutting one's nose to spite one's face".

Personally I would prefer to just ignore Windows AI rather than use Linux (not that there is an actual OS called Linux really as it is just an umbrella name like Scandinavia which encompasses several countries).
 

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Windows 11 Pro + Win11 Canary VM.I9 13th gen i9-13900H 2.60 GHZ16 GB solderedIntegrated Intel Iris XE
OS
Windows 11 Pro + Win11 Canary VM.
Computer type
Laptop
Manufacturer/Model
ASUS Zenbook 14
CPU
I9 13th gen i9-13900H 2.60 GHZ
Motherboard
Yep, Laptop has one.
Memory
16 GB soldered
Graphics Card(s)
Integrated Intel Iris XE
Sound Card
Realtek built in
Monitor(s) Displays
laptop OLED screen
Screen Resolution
2880x1800 touchscreen
Hard Drives
1 TB NVME SSD (only weakness is only one slot)
PSU
Internal + 65W thunderbolt USB4 charger
Case
Yep, got one
Cooling
Stella Artois (UK pint cans - 568 ml) - extra cost.
Keyboard
Built in UK keybd
Mouse
Bluetooth , wireless dongled, wired
Internet Speed
900 mbs (ethernet), wifi 6 typical 350-450 mb/s both up and down
Browser
Edge
Antivirus
Defender
Other Info
TPM 2.0, 2xUSB4 thunderbolt, 1xUsb3 (usb a), 1xUsb-c, hdmi out, 3.5 mm audio out/in combo, ASUS backlit trackpad (inc. switchable number pad)

Macrium Reflect Home V8
Office 365 Family (6 users each 1TB onedrive space)
Hyper-V (a vm runs almost as fast as my older laptop)
cereberus said:
Using Linux rather than Windows with AI?

To me, it sounds like "cutting one's nose to spite one's face".

Personally I would prefer to just ignore Windows AI rather than use Linux (not that there is an actual OS called Linux really as it is just an umbrella name like Scandinavia which encompasses several countries).
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i used Ubuntu for 20 years Windows is not my preferred operating system.
Ubuntu moved to snap packages and after Ubuntu 24.04 LTS it became near impossible to remove snaps

so i throw Windows on my system which works but Windows isnt an operating system i would choose
but i have found a Ubuntu based operating system without snaps
it uses deb's and Flatpaks, you even get to choose which ones you want, just like pick'n'mix
and that system is Zorin OS which i am playing with in Virtual box at the moment
Zorin OS is based on Ubuntu but without any of the snap packages
it will be installed very soon on both mine and my wife's system, just ironing out the bugs.

so if Microsoft wants to push then i will just shove Windows elsewhere.
best of luck Steve ..
 

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  • At a glance

    Debian 13 KDE .. Windows 11 HomeRyzen 7 5825u64GB DDR4 3200Ryzen 7 5825u
    OS
    Debian 13 KDE .. Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP 24" AiO
    CPU
    Ryzen 7 5825u
    Motherboard
    HP
    Memory
    64GB DDR4 3200
    Graphics Card(s)
    Ryzen 7 5825u
    Sound Card
    RealTek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    24" HP AiO
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080 @60 Hz
    Hard Drives
    1TB WD Blue SN580 M2 SSD Partitioned.
    2x 1TB USB HDD External Backup/Storage.
    PSU
    90W external power brick
    Case
    24" All in One
    Cooling
    Default Air Cooling
    Keyboard
    HP WiFi UK extended
    Mouse
    HP WiFi 3 Button
    Internet Speed
    1GB full fibre
    Browser
    Edge & Firefox
    Antivirus
    AVG Internet Security/Windows Defender
    Other Info
    Mainly Open Source Software

  • At a glance

    Ubuntu 22.04.5 LTSi5 7200u16GB DDR4Intel
    Operating System
    Ubuntu 22.04.5 LTS
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell 13" Latitude 2017
    CPU
    i5 7200u
    Motherboard
    Dell
    Memory
    16GB DDR4
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel
    Sound Card
    Intel
    Monitor(s) Displays
    13" Dell Laptop
    Hard Drives
    250GB Crucial 2.5" SSD
    Mouse
    Generic WiFi 3 button
    Internet Speed
    WiFi only
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    ClamAV TK
    Other Info
    Mainly Open Source Software
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