Are you hardware or VM?

bobcollard · Jul 19, 2021

BunnyJ said:
Well,, I switched to VM so I can use 10 on hardware

You could dual boot if you have room on your SD or HD.

BunnyJ · Jul 20, 2021

Well,, I'm back on hardware.

jimbo45 · Jul 20, 2021

johnlgalt said:
Nope. You're wrong about that.

I show a lot of faith in my own abilities to recover from a disaster should I encounter one.

Big difference.

1) I've been testing software and hardware for decades. My first foray into official software testing was in the early 90s.

2) I ran Windows 10 Insider builds live on my old rig, which, technically, wasn't supported to run Windows 10 in the first place.

3) I've already mentioned that I have backups in case something does go wrongly.

Bottom line - This ain't my first rodeo. Not even close.

^^^^^^ These two. There is only so much you can do in a VM. And I did start with a VM. Of the leak, sure, but my first foray into Win11 was a VM, not hardware install.

Hi there
Please guys -- VM's have improved beyond all recognition in recent years -- with decent pass thru of the hardware there's very little that can't be managed on a VM that is normally done on real hardware. Most domestic users probably choose highly paravirtualised systems like VMWare and VBOX but decent HYPERVISORS have minimal OS overhead and are capable given sufficient hardware resources to run almost indistinguishable to running on Bare Metal.

Just think of how many server farms there are out there with "Blade type servers" essentially running a whole "Virtual Infrastructure" for a great swathe of businesses etc -- Cloud servers provide this type of service too -- the Client (usually some sort of SME) will probably not be able to distinguish between what they were running on "Real Hardware" and the "Virtual infrastructure" provided by their Cloud server.

Cheers
jimbo

Warre1 · Jul 20, 2021

VM now, Hardware pc is in Beta channel so when Win 11 comes to there I will be in both.

johnlgalt · Jul 20, 2021

jimbo45 said:
Hi there
Please guys -- VM's have improved beyond all recognition in recent years -- with decent pass thru of the hardware there's very little that can't be managed on a VM that is normally done on real hardware. Most domestic users probably choose highly paravirtualised systems like VMWare and VBOX but decent HYPERVISORS have minimal OS overhead and are capable given sufficient hardware resources to run almost indistinguishable to running on Bare Metal.

Just think of how many server farms there are out there with "Blade type servers" essentially running a whole "Virtual Infrastructure" for a great swathe of businesses etc -- Cloud servers provide this type of service too -- the Client (usually some sort of SME) will probably not be able to distinguish between what they were running on "Real Hardware" and the "Virtual infrastructure" provided by their Cloud server.

Cheers
jimbo

Comparing Blade servers to consumer PCs is a far stretch, though. No matter how good it may be, a desktop OS with an implementation of a hypervisor, even a 3rd party one, is simply going to be more limiting than running on hardware, unless you start cherry picking utilitization. No matter how you slice it, consumer hardware, for the most part, is simply not enterprise grade. Even with my ridiculously high RAM build, there are limitations of what I can do in a VM versus a local install.

If you want to include type I hypervisors, then you're going beyond the scope of this, as those are completely different animals, for sure. Same holds true for VHD local booting. Yes, all of this technology has come a long way - but for practical purposes, YMMV as to whether even today's advanced OSs and hypervisors will fill your needs or not.

Can today's hypervisor implementations do more? Absolutely. Does that meaen they are always going to be indistinguishable from a local install? Absolutely not.

grumpus · Jul 20, 2021

johnlgalt said:
If you want to include type I hypervisors, then you're going beyond the scope of this, as those are completely different animals, for sure.

Hyper-V is a type-1 hypervisior.

NavyLCDR · Jul 20, 2021

grumpus said:
Hyper-V is a type-1 hypervisior.

With limited hardware passthrough capability.

Sol 3 · Jul 20, 2021

Hardware
Dual Boot with Win 10

clam1952 · Jul 20, 2021

Hardware for Win11, only ever used VMs for old operating systems.

PerpetualCycle · Jul 20, 2021

Hardware, don't use VM much.

Guess this really should be a poll.

Lance1 · Jul 20, 2021

geneo said:
Guess this really should be a poll.

Yes, but would a Poll versus a Post Give more information or less? I think the post would give more. People have a chance to read and give there experience In hope that someone can solve it.

PerpetualCycle · Jul 21, 2021

More. You would get the statistics. I have no way of knowing how many VM vs hardware,

pparks1 · Jul 22, 2021

1 hardware. Just installed on one of my Intel NUC's that I had lying around.

Edit: I downloaded the ISO file with uupdump today and installed Windows 11 Pro onto Hyper-V on my main computer.

badrobot · Aug 3, 2021

I am always hardware because VM feels like playing a video game. But I think VM is great for a lot of experimentation , software and settings testing.

BunnyJ · Aug 3, 2021

badrobot said:
I am always hardware because VM feels like playing a video game. But I think VM is great for a lot of experimentation , software and settings testing.

VM's are ok.. I guess but I don't use them. I would rather run the OS on hardware. Again.. YMMV

Warre1 · Aug 3, 2021

Have using in hardware in my main pc since it came to Beta channel.

badrobot · Aug 3, 2021

BunnyJ said:
VM's are ok.. I guess but I don't use them. I would rather run the OS on hardware. Again.. YMMV

I prefer hardware because I want to be familiar with possible issues and troubleshooting with my setup when it is released. I am using it like how I use my daily machine except for banking and online shopping.

BunnyJ · Aug 3, 2021

bobcollard said:
You could dual boot if you have room on your SD or HD.

I've done that years ago and I stopped. I just want to run OS at a time

hsehestedt · Aug 3, 2021

One advantage with a VM is that if you are going to test something that can potentially trash your installation, you can simply take a snapshot (checkpoint in Hyper-V terminology) first, then revert back if you need to do so. That can be especially helpful if you get a less than stable dev build.

BunnyJ · Aug 3, 2021

hsehestedt said:
One advantage with a VM is that if you are going to test something that can potentially trash your installation, you can simply take a snapshot (checkpoint in Hyper-V terminology) first, then revert back if you need to do so. That can be especially helpful if you get a less than stable dev build.

I do backups and if I have any issues I just restore the system. Easy peasy