Solved Best utility to securely wipe specific files from flash drives?


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When sharing flash drives with others, I want to make sure I'm securely erasing old files—not just removing them from the directory, but completely wiping their actual contents.

What utility software would you recommend for this?

Ideally, I need a tool that:
  • Securely deletes every single block of the targeted files.
  • Does not erase any more than necessary, in order to conserve the flash media's write cycles.
 

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I think you're obsessing way to much about the FLASH media life. Just do a wipe with any of the many utilities, problem solved. I can't imagine you'll use up the drive write cycles before you die of old age! I think almost any currently shipping FLASH drive should do at least 10,000 write cycles. Also, any FLASH drive you're giving away or sharing is doubtless not a super high capacity 1TB drive, so the possibility of a $20 drive failing is not exactly a financial catastrophe.
 

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No off-the-shelf security tool exists, because of how SSD's handle wear leveling. An OS writes to a set of logical blocks, but the SSD's onboard controller decides the mapping of logical blocks to physical blocks (or cells).

Normally to securely erase a file on a non-SSD device, you overwrite the file's assigned data blocks with junk data. This works because the mapping of logical to physical blocks never changes on a HDD (with the exception of remapped failed disk blocks).

When you write junk data to a file on a SSD, the onboard controller writes that data to a different set of physical blocks and updates the logical mapping so the OS thinks the file is securely wiped. But the original data is untouched on the drive. To get around this behavior, you would need special firmware in the SSD to make sure wear leveling isn't obeyed. There's no industry standard for that on consumer drives.

Some SSD's have tools where you can trigger a secure wipe of the entire drive, but not for individual files or volumes.

You can share data in encrypted ZIP files. This way using a data recovery tool doesn't help someone recover your deleted files, because they're encrypted in the first place.
 

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As Garlin said, overwrite with junk data or, with low cost of flash drives being what it is, if you are that concerned purchase new drives before sharing. You make it sound like the data you are "sharing with others" is top secret information. First thing I thought of when I read this is smoke coming out of Mr. Phelps recorder and hearing "This drive will self destruct in 5 seconds."
Sounds like much ado about nothing to me.
 

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As Garlin said, overwrite with junk data or, with low cost of flash drives being what it is, if you are that concerned purchase new drives before sharing.
SSD's are different, you can't overwrite the SAME disk blocks with junk data. Because when you write any changes to a SSD, wear leveling returns a different physical block of data every time.

Most people understand flash memory cells have a limited number of writes before it fails. That number isn't guaranteed, but each flash memory manufacturer has a safe number of minimum writes before an expected failure.

Say that number is 50,000 times for a single cell. If you could write to the exact same cell in the SSD over that limit then a future write will eventually fail. You could get a "hot spot" where some block of data is overwritten more often than another block. That hot spot will fail first, but another part of the SSD where the data is rarely changed will have a longer lifetime because it's never disturbed.

As a strategy to improve cell lifetimes, the SSD itself will spread new writes to "random" blocks scattered across the drive in an effort to average out writes so the burden of writes is shared over a larger pool of eligible blocks. If you were writing 50,000 times to a single logical block, the SSD would round-robin those 50,000 writes across thousands of other physical cells. So each individual cell shares the burden of get written to, but each cell's average write history increments by a few.

HDD's are slower, but in general a disk block on magnetic media doesn't care if it's written to 5 times, 50 times, or 50,000 times. You can't "wear out" a magnetic drive in the same fashion as an SSD. SSD's are faster and more compact, but the tradeoff is we can't do secure file erases because of limitations in the flash memory technology.
 

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You can share data in encrypted ZIP files. This way using a data recovery tool doesn't help someone recover your deleted files, because they're encrypted in the first place.
I think, that’s the approach I am going to take.
 

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I think, that’s the approach I am going to take.
Good plan if it's anything you want to keep private. I regularly use encrypted ZIP files to send stuff, then I text the receiver and give them the PW.
 

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Good plan if it's anything you want to keep private. I regularly use encrypted ZIP files to send stuff, then I text the receiver and give them the PW.
What utility do you use to generate the encrypted ZIP files? What encryption algorithm is used? Is it AES-128 or AES-256?
 

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What utility do you use to generate the encrypted ZIP files? What encryption algorithm is used? Is it AES-128 or AES-256?
I use 7-Zip and select AES-256 encryption.
 

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I use 7-Zip and select AES-256 encryption
I wish I could have a droplet that has the encryption pre-selected. That way, it will be much easier to use for people who might otherwise be overwhelmed by the 7-Zip options dialogue.
 

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Just a thought..... You can always work with VeraCrypt containers. and use VeraCrypt as portable software, so you never need to install the program.
Then you get a drive within the drive so to speak.
 

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Just a thought..... You can always work with VeraCrypt containers. and use VeraCrypt as portable software, so you never need to install the program.
Then you get a drive within the drive so to speak.
Not sure that's truly easier. :lmao: I think the novice could get into trouble with VeraCrypt much easier than with 7-Zip.
 

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Not sure that's truly easier. :lmao: I think the novice could get into trouble with VeraCrypt much easier than with 7-Zip.
Its kind of easy.......... or am i to poisoned by the long time nerdiness exposure. 🤓😇😅
 

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Its kind of easy.......... or am i to poisoned by the long time nerdiness. 🤓😇😅
Maybe a bit. ;-) I find 7-Zip pretty easy to generate a passworded archive, and if I screw up, it's just the easily replaced archive that gets dented.
 

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    Home Brew
    CPU
    Intel Core i5 14400
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte B760M DS3H AX
    Memory
    32GB DDR5
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel 700 Embedded GPU
    Sound Card
    Realtek Embedded
    Monitor(s) Displays
    27" HP 1080p
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Crucial P310 2TB 2280 PCIe Gen4 eD NAND PCIe SSD
    Samsung EVO 990 2TB NVMe Gen4 SSD
    Samsung 2TB SATA SSD
    PSU
    Thermaltake Smart BM3 650W
    Case
    Okinos Micro ATX Case
    Cooling
    Fans
    Keyboard
    Microsoft Comfort Curve 2000
    Mouse
    Logitech G305
    Internet Speed
    Verizon FiOS 1GB
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Malware Bytes & Windows Defender Security
  • Nimo N171 17" Laptop, (Intel i3-1215U, 16GB RAM, 2TB NVMe, Win11 Pro)
    Acemagic Vista Mini PC V1 (Intel N150, 16GB RAM, 1TB NVMe, Win11 Pro)
    HP ENVY h8-1540t, (24GB RAM, 2TB SSD, 2TB HDD, Win11 Pro)
Maybe a bit. ;-) I find 7-Zip pretty easy to generate a passworded archive, and if I screw up, it's just the easily replaced archive that gets dented.
maybe a bit........ i have nooooooooooooooo idea of what you talking about. 😁 😇
 

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  • At a glance

    Linux: Debian, Kali-linux, Alma, Win:7,10IoT,...i3, i5 and i7 From 2gen to 9th gen... Server ...
    OS
    Linux: Debian, Kali-linux, Alma, Win:7,10IoT,2012R
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Elitebook 840, AsusX53, Aspire E1-572. AsusUX32A, HP Pro3130mt+3010mt, HP Proliant ML150, 3xCustom-PC, i3, i5, i7
    CPU
    i3, i5 and i7 From 2gen to 9th gen... Server dual Xenon
    Hard Drives
    Sata, M.2, SAS
  • At a glance

    Retro: 2003server.XPpro, Win2000, Win98SE, Wi...Oldest intel 8088 up to P4 dual core
    Operating System
    Retro: 2003server.XPpro, Win2000, Win98SE, Win95, Win3.11, MS-DOS, IBM-DOS
    Manufacturer/Model
    Commodore, AST, Fujitsu, Compaq, etc etc. etc Around 15 desktops and 20 laptops in the collection
    CPU
    Oldest intel 8088 up to P4 dual core
    Hard Drives
    MFM, IDE, SCSI
Just fill the drive to its full capacity with junk files. The controller has no choice but to overwrite all blocks if you fill the drive to capacity.
FYI: the default state of each memory cell is all logic 1s or, in hex, all Fs after a true wipe, not all 0s as some might expect.
 

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    Win11 Home 25H2 26200.8328Ryzen 5 7520U16GB DDR5Integrated graphics
    OS
    Win11 Home 25H2 26200.8328
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Asus E1504FA
    CPU
    Ryzen 5 7520U
    Memory
    16GB DDR5
    Graphics Card(s)
    Integrated graphics
    Screen Resolution
    1920
    Hard Drives
    1TB Crucial P3+ PCIE 4.0 (in a PCIE 3.0 slot)
    Browser
    Vivaldi
    Antivirus
    Nil
  • At a glance

    Linux Manjaro KDE2nd gen I58GB DDR3Integrated graphics
    Operating System
    Linux Manjaro KDE
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Asus A53E
    CPU
    2nd gen I5
    Memory
    8GB DDR3
    Graphics card(s)
    Integrated graphics
    Hard Drives
    256GB SATA SSD
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Nil
 

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  • At a glance

    Win 11 Pro 25H2 26200.8737Intel® Core™ i7-14700KG.SKILL Ripjaws S5 Series 64GB (2 x 32GB) DDR5ASUS GeForce RTX 4070 Super 12GB
    OS
    Win 11 Pro 25H2 26200.8737
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Self Built
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ i7-14700K
    Motherboard
    ASUS TUF Z690-PLUS WIFI (BIOS 4505)
    Memory
    G.SKILL Ripjaws S5 Series 64GB (2 x 32GB) DDR5
    Graphics Card(s)
    ASUS GeForce RTX 4070 Super 12GB
    Sound Card
    Sound Blaster AE-5 Plus
    Monitor(s) Displays
    ASUS TUF Gaming 27" 2K HDR Gaming
    Screen Resolution
    2560 x 1440
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 990 Pro 1TB NVMe (Win 11 25H2)
    SK hynix P41 500GB NVMe
    SK hynix P41 2TB NVMe (x3)
    Crucial P3 Plus 4TB
    PSU
    Corsair RM850x Shift
    Case
    Antec Dark Phantom DP502 FLUX
    Cooling
    Corsair Nautilus 360 RS AIO
    Keyboard
    Logitech MK 320
    Mouse
    Razer Basilisk V3
    Internet Speed
    750Mbs
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Winows Security
    Other Info
    MR 8.1 Home
  • At a glance

    Win 11 Pro 25H2 26200.8737Intel Core i5-1140064 GB DDR4MSI GeForce RTX 3060 Ventus 2X 12GB
    Operating System
    Win 11 Pro 25H2 26200.8737
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Self Built
    CPU
    Intel Core i5-11400
    Motherboard
    Asus TUF Gaming Z590 Plus WiFi (BIOS 2803)
    Memory
    64 GB DDR4
    Graphics card(s)
    MSI GeForce RTX 3060 Ventus 2X 12GB
    Sound Card
    SoundBlaster Audigy Fx V2
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung F27T350
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 980 Pro 1TB
    Samsung 970 EVO Plus 2TB
    Samsung 870 EVO 500GB SSD
    PSU
    Corsair HX750
    Case
    Cougar MX330-G Window
    Cooling
    Thermalright Frozen Edge 240 Black AIO
    Internet Speed
    350Mbps
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Windows Security
  • System Three
    Win 11 Pro 25H2 26200.8737
    ASUS PRIME Z370-P II BIOS 3004 7/12/21
    Intel Core i7-8700 CPU @ 3.20GHz
    32GB DDR4 RAM (4x8)
    iGPU Intel UHD Graphics 630
    Mid-Tower Desktop
I don't think it works for SSD's. You're just creating new data without erasing the old blocks.
 

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Windows 7
OS
Windows 7
Here is how I handle this on my flash drives:

I create two partitions. One is BitLocker encrypted. That way I can carry all my personal data safely and I have a second unencrypted partition that I can use to share data with other people. If I hand the drive to someone else, they have zero visibility to my private data, but they have full access to the public partition. This also avoids all nonsense such as erasing data for security.
 

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  • At a glance

    Win11 Pro 25H2 (RTM+)Intel i7-14650HX32 GBNo GPU - Built-in Intel Graphics
    OS
    Win11 Pro 25H2 (RTM+)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acemagic
    CPU
    Intel i7-14650HX
    Memory
    32 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    No GPU - Built-in Intel Graphics
    Sound Card
    Integrated
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Varies as machine will often be moved to locations with different monitors
    Screen Resolution
    Varies
    Hard Drives
    1 x 1TB Gen 4 NVMe SSD
    PSU
    120W Power Brick
    Keyboard
    Corsair K70 Max RGB Magnetic Keyboard
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 3
    Internet Speed
    1Gb Up / 1 Gb Down
    Browser
    Edge
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
  • At a glance

    Win11 Pro 25H2 (RTM+)Intel i7-1255U16 GBIntel Iris Xe Graphics
    Operating System
    Win11 Pro 25H2 (RTM+)
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Lenovo ThinkBook 13x Gen 2
    CPU
    Intel i7-1255U
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel Iris Xe Graphics
    Sound Card
    Realtek® ALC3306-CG codec
    Monitor(s) Displays
    13.3-inch IPS Display
    Screen Resolution
    WQXGA (2560 x 1600)
    Hard Drives
    2 TB 4 x 4 NVMe SSD
    PSU
    USB-C / Thunderbolt 4 Power / Charging
    Keyboard
    Backlit, spill resistant keyboard
    Mouse
    Buttonless Glass Precision Touchpad
    Internet Speed
    1Gb Up / 1Gb Down
    Browser
    Edge
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
    Other Info
    WiFi 6e / Bluetooth 5.1 / Facial Recognition / Fingerprint Sensor / ToF (Time of Flight) Human Presence Sensor
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