Solved Can we install 23H2 instead of 24H2 on brand new DIY computer?


Dru2 said:
HIGHLY suggest you read the list of Known and Resolved Issues before installing as there are a number of things that can and will cause issues, and why Microsoft put a hold one a certain PC with affected hardware and software from being offered the update.

That said, I'm running 24H2 myself, and though overall I don't have issues I did have to tweak my machine for it to see my NAS because 24H2 enforces stricter rules for Shared and Networked Attached Storage (NAS) drives.

Read the list before proceeding with the install as YES, 24H2 can be a problem, and especially if you're running old gear or software.

Good luck.
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Oh, that's also going to be very helpful to read! Thank you! :)
 

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    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    Intel Core i5-12600K
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    ASRock B760M PG Riptide
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    Crucial Classic DDR5-4800 16GB
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    1 good old Benq model
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    Kingston KC3000 SSD 512GB PCIe 4.0 M.2 2280 NVMe
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    Seasonic G12 GM 750Watt
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    Windows 11 Home 23H2, Build: 22631.4751 (OEM)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Aspire XC-1760
    CPU
    Intel Core i5-12400
    Motherboard
    Acer Andrew H610 (PCIe Gen 4)
    Memory
    8 GB DDR4
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    Intel(R) UHD Graphics 730
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    Integrated, HD Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    old Samsung
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080, 60 Hz
    Hard Drives
    M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD (WD or Kingston, not sure), 512GB, partitioned into C & D drives.
    PSU
    Brand unknown. 180W. (80 Plus Gold certification)
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    Slim, DTX
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    Lenovo (wired)
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    Logitech (wired)
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    Chrome
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Trying to learn said:
Oh, that's also going to be very helpful to read! Thank you! :)
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It will likely be very informative but I would suggest that there is little cause for concern in your case.

There will always be bugs and issues with every OS you use. Personally, I'm happy with 23H2 on this PC because it is an older PC.

Given the following specs you provided:*

OS Windows 11 Home

Computer type PC/Desktop

CPU Intel Core i5-12600K

Motherboard ASRock B760M PG Riptide

Memory Crucial Classic DDR5-4800 16GB

Monitor(s) Displays 1

Hard Drives Kingston KC3000 SSD 512GB
PCIe 4.0 M.2 2280 NVMe

PSU Seasonic G12 GM 750Watt

Cooling Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120

Other Info First time DIY build.


* I would say that your are safe to go with 24H2. This doesn't mean that you won't encounter any issues, but given the fact that 23H2 will be reaching EOL (end of life) in November you're likely better off with 24H2 and risking the growing pains while Microsoft irons out the wrinkles. This really is a matter of user preference.
 

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Ports X, Y, and Z are reserved for USB access and removable drives.

Drive types consist of the following: Various mechanical hard drives bearing the brand names, Seagate, Toshiba, and Western Digital. Various NVMe drives bearing the brand names Kingston, Intel, Silicon Power, Crucial, Western Digital, and Team Group. Various SATA SSDs bearing various different brand names.

RAID arrays included:

LSI RAID 10 (WD Velociraptors) 1115.72 GB
LSI RAID 10 (WD SSDS) 463.80 GB

INTEL RAID 0 (KINGSTON HYPER X) System 447.14 GB
INTEL RAID 1 TOSHIBA ENTERPRIZE class Data 2794.52 GB
INTEL RAID 1 SEAGATE HYBRID 931.51 GB
PSU
SEVERAL. I prefer my Corsair Platinum HX1000i but I also like EVGA power supplies
Case
ThermalTake Level 10 GT (among others)
Cooling
Noctua is my favorite and I use it in my main. I also own various other coolers.
Keyboard
all kinds.
Mouse
all kinds
Internet Speed
360 mbps - 1 gbps (depending)
Browser
FIREFOX
Antivirus
KASPERSKY (no apologies)
Other Info
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Issues with printers should only affect upgrades from 23H2 to 24H2 because it changes the way Windows handles the USB ports. For a new installation, there should not be a problem. I would first download the official printer driver from manufacturer so I get all features and maximum quality. IF that fails, I would let Windows Update to install the printer drivers. If it works, I would block the respective update so it won't mess with my printer. I have recently clean-installed 24H2 and I noticed a boost in performance compared to my old 23H2 system. I don't know if this is because of better resource management in 24H2 or just because it is a new installation, but I like it. The only annoying bug I have seen in 24H2 is the disappear of the search icon (or seach box) when the screen resolution changes (such as when playing a full screen game) or the second monitor is (de)activated. This is because I use both Explorer Patcher and Open Shell and they conflict with each other. This is because the "classic" taskbar functions (interface) are deprecated in 24H2 and Explorer Patcher tries to emulate them. This didn't happen in 23H2 where the "classic" taskbar functions are still available. Another bug is that the custom taskbar color set in Open Shell is ignored and it reverts to the default darker hue. To remedy both bugs, I just switch from search icon to search box and back again in Explorer Patcher or Taskbar settings.
 

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    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 (7582), 25H2 (9445)
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    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Extensa 5630EZ
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    Mobile DualCore Intel Core 2 Duo T7250, 2000 MHz
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    Windows 11 Pro v25H2 (build 26200.9445)
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    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom-built PC
    CPU
    Intel Core-i7 3770 3.40GHz s1155 (3rd generation)
    Motherboard
    Asus P8H61 s1155 ATX
    Memory
    2x Kingston Hyper-X Blu 8GB DDR3-1600
    Graphics card(s)
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    Thermaltake Litepower RGB 550W Full Wired
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    SUPERCASE MIDI-TOWER
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    Deepcool Gamma Archer CPU cooler, 1x 8cm fan at the back
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    Mitsumi 101-key PS/2
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    Microsoft Compact Optical Mouse
    Internet Speed
    802.11ac 5GHz wireless 260Mpbs
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge, Mozilla Firefox
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Windows Defender
    Other Info
    Legacy BIOS (MBR) installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, WDDM 3.0 graphics drivers, WEI score 7.4
spapakons said:
Issues with printers should only affect upgrades from 23H2 to 24H2 because it changes the way Windows handles the USB ports. For a new installation, there should not be a problem. I would first download the official printer driver from manufacturer so I get all features and maximum quality. IF that fails, I would let Windows Update to install the printer drivers. If it works, I would block the respective update so it won't mess with my printer. I have recently clean-installed 24H2 and I noticed a boost in performance compared to my old 23H2 system. I don't know if this is because of better resource management in 24H2 or just because it is a new installation, but I like it. The only annoying bug I have seen in 24H2 is the disappear of the search icon (or seach box) when the screen resolution changes (such as when playing a full screen game) or the second monitor is (de)activated. This is because I use both Explorer Patcher and Open Shell and they conflict with each other. This is because the "classic" taskbar functions (interface) are deprecated in 24H2 and Explorer Patcher tries to emulate them. This didn't happen in 23H2 where the "classic" taskbar functions are still available. Another bug is that the custom taskbar color set in Open Shell is ignored and it reverts to the default darker hue. To remedy both bugs, I just switch from search icon to search box and back again in Explorer Patcher or Taskbar settings.
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This is very helpful advice and I may well be using it on my 24H2 installation on my X299 platform which seems to work quite well so far. Thank you for sharing this.
 

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Manufacturer/Model
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Intel i7 6900K and i9-7960X / AMD 3800X (8 core)
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128 GB CORSAIR DOMINATOR PLATINUM (B DIE)
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NVIDIA 1070 and RTX 3070
Sound Card
Crystal Sound (onboard)
Monitor(s) Displays
single Samsung 30" 4K and 8" aux monitor
Screen Resolution
4K and something equally attrocious. I'll be working on this.
Hard Drives
A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, L, M, N, O, P, Q, R, S, T, U, V, W

Ports X, Y, and Z are reserved for USB access and removable drives.

Drive types consist of the following: Various mechanical hard drives bearing the brand names, Seagate, Toshiba, and Western Digital. Various NVMe drives bearing the brand names Kingston, Intel, Silicon Power, Crucial, Western Digital, and Team Group. Various SATA SSDs bearing various different brand names.

RAID arrays included:

LSI RAID 10 (WD Velociraptors) 1115.72 GB
LSI RAID 10 (WD SSDS) 463.80 GB

INTEL RAID 0 (KINGSTON HYPER X) System 447.14 GB
INTEL RAID 1 TOSHIBA ENTERPRIZE class Data 2794.52 GB
INTEL RAID 1 SEAGATE HYBRID 931.51 GB
PSU
SEVERAL. I prefer my Corsair Platinum HX1000i but I also like EVGA power supplies
Case
ThermalTake Level 10 GT (among others)
Cooling
Noctua is my favorite and I use it in my main. I also own various other coolers.
Keyboard
all kinds.
Mouse
all kinds
Internet Speed
360 mbps - 1 gbps (depending)
Browser
FIREFOX
Antivirus
KASPERSKY (no apologies)
Other Info
Gave Dell touch screen with Windows 11 to daughter and got me an OTVOC. Being a PC builder I own many desktop PCs as well. I am a father of five providing PCs, laptops, and tablets for all my family, most of which I have modified, rebuilt, or simply built from scratch. I do not own a cell phone, never have, never will.
You are welcome. This is the purpose of the forum. To share knowledge and solve problems.
 

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    OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 (7582), 25H2 (9445)
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Extensa 5630EZ
    CPU
    Mobile DualCore Intel Core 2 Duo T7250, 2000 MHz
    Motherboard
    Acer Extensa 5630
    Memory
    4GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Mobile Intel(R) GMA 4500M (Mobile 4 series)
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC268 @ Intel 82801IB ICH9 - High Definition Audio Controller
    Monitor(s) Displays
    1
    Screen Resolution
    1280x800
    Hard Drives
    Samsung SSD 850 EVO 250GB SATA Device (250 GB, SATA-III)
    Internet Speed
    802.11g wireless 54 Mbps
    Browser
    MICROSOFT EDGE
    Antivirus
    WINDOWS DEFENDER
    Other Info
    Legacy MBR installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, no WDDM 2.0 graphics drivers, no SSE4.2, cannot get more unsupported ;) This is only my test laptop. I had installed Windows 11 here before upgrading my main PC. For my main PC I use everyday see my 2nd system specs.

  • At a glance

    Windows 11 Pro v25H2 (build 26200.9445)Intel Core-i7 3770 3.40GHz s1155 (3rd generat...2x Kingston Hyper-X Blu 8GB DDR3-1600GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 3050 WINDFORCE OC V2 6GB...
    Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro v25H2 (build 26200.9445)
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    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom-built PC
    CPU
    Intel Core-i7 3770 3.40GHz s1155 (3rd generation)
    Motherboard
    Asus P8H61 s1155 ATX
    Memory
    2x Kingston Hyper-X Blu 8GB DDR3-1600
    Graphics card(s)
    GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 3050 WINDFORCE OC V2 6GB (GV-N3050WF2OCV2-6GD)
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD audio (ALC887)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia KDL-19L4000 19" LCD TV via VGA
    Screen Resolution
    1440x900 32-bit 60Hz
    Hard Drives
    WD Blue SA510 2.5 1000GB SSD as system disk, Western Digital Caviar Purple 4TB SATA III (WD40PURZ) as second
    PSU
    Thermaltake Litepower RGB 550W Full Wired
    Case
    SUPERCASE MIDI-TOWER
    Cooling
    Deepcool Gamma Archer CPU cooler, 1x 8cm fan at the back
    Keyboard
    Mitsumi 101-key PS/2
    Mouse
    Microsoft Compact Optical Mouse
    Internet Speed
    802.11ac 5GHz wireless 260Mpbs
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge, Mozilla Firefox
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Windows Defender
    Other Info
    Legacy BIOS (MBR) installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, WDDM 3.0 graphics drivers, WEI score 7.4
hsehestedt said:
Welcome to ElevenForum!

There a number of ways to obtain it. One easy would be to use UUP Dump as Scannerman suggested. Here is a tutorial on using UUP:

www.elevenforum.com

UUP Dump - Download Windows Insider ISO

UUP Dump is the most practical and easy way to get ISO images of any Insider Windows 10 or Windows 11 version, as soon as Microsoft has released a new build. UUP Dump creates a download configuration file according to your choices, downloads necessary files directly from Microsoft servers, and...
www.elevenforum.com www.elevenforum.com

Note that the tutorial is geared toward downloading Insider builds but you can also download released builds.

On the main page, select Windows 11 and then 23H2.

View attachment 130493

On the next page my suggestion would be to grab the one I highlighted below. That is the latest non-preview release that includes the March 2025 updates. Make sure to select the X64 architecture.

View attachment 130494

If that is not suitable for you, let us know. I have other ways to obtain it that I can suggest, although I trust this source the most.
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Hi. Finally back online here today. Been delayed getting the OS installed due to sickness. Ready to do it today, though. I was wondering, in your picture (attachment 130494) where you highlighted the latest non-preview release, it says "amd" near the end of the name. I'm guessing that might be referring to Intel's rival company AMD. If so, does it matter that our processor is Intel? Just want to be sure we could use that ISO, that it would work correctly...
 

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    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    Intel Core i5-12600K
    Motherboard
    ASRock B760M PG Riptide
    Memory
    Crucial Classic DDR5-4800 16GB
    Monitor(s) Displays
    1 good old Benq model
    Hard Drives
    Kingston KC3000 SSD 512GB PCIe 4.0 M.2 2280 NVMe
    PSU
    Seasonic G12 GM 750Watt
    Case
    metal, 15+ years old, ATX/mATX
    Cooling
    Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120
    Keyboard
    Lenovo, wired
    Mouse
    Logitech, wired
    Browser
    Chrome
    Other Info
    First time DIY build.

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    Windows 11 Home 23H2, Build: 22631.4751 (OEM)Intel Core i5-124008 GB DDR4Intel(R) UHD Graphics 730
    Operating System
    Windows 11 Home 23H2, Build: 22631.4751 (OEM)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Aspire XC-1760
    CPU
    Intel Core i5-12400
    Motherboard
    Acer Andrew H610 (PCIe Gen 4)
    Memory
    8 GB DDR4
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel(R) UHD Graphics 730
    Sound Card
    Integrated, HD Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    old Samsung
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080, 60 Hz
    Hard Drives
    M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD (WD or Kingston, not sure), 512GB, partitioned into C & D drives.
    PSU
    Brand unknown. 180W. (80 Plus Gold certification)
    Case
    Slim, DTX
    Cooling
    Brand unknown. Air cooling.
    Keyboard
    Lenovo (wired)
    Mouse
    Logitech (wired)
    Browser
    Chrome
    Other Info
    Extra CPU details:
    Intel UHD Graphics, 6 cores, 12 threads, 2.5 GHz, LGA1700, Intel H610 Chipset.
AMD64 is the same as x64, it refers to the 64-bit version of Windows 11 for PCs. There is also an ARM64 version for some tablets.
 

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    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 (7582), 25H2 (9445)Mobile DualCore Intel Core 2 Duo T7250, 2000 MHz4GBMobile Intel(R) GMA 4500M (Mobile 4 series)
    OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 (7582), 25H2 (9445)
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Extensa 5630EZ
    CPU
    Mobile DualCore Intel Core 2 Duo T7250, 2000 MHz
    Motherboard
    Acer Extensa 5630
    Memory
    4GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Mobile Intel(R) GMA 4500M (Mobile 4 series)
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC268 @ Intel 82801IB ICH9 - High Definition Audio Controller
    Monitor(s) Displays
    1
    Screen Resolution
    1280x800
    Hard Drives
    Samsung SSD 850 EVO 250GB SATA Device (250 GB, SATA-III)
    Internet Speed
    802.11g wireless 54 Mbps
    Browser
    MICROSOFT EDGE
    Antivirus
    WINDOWS DEFENDER
    Other Info
    Legacy MBR installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, no WDDM 2.0 graphics drivers, no SSE4.2, cannot get more unsupported ;) This is only my test laptop. I had installed Windows 11 here before upgrading my main PC. For my main PC I use everyday see my 2nd system specs.

  • At a glance

    Windows 11 Pro v25H2 (build 26200.9445)Intel Core-i7 3770 3.40GHz s1155 (3rd generat...2x Kingston Hyper-X Blu 8GB DDR3-1600GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 3050 WINDFORCE OC V2 6GB...
    Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro v25H2 (build 26200.9445)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom-built PC
    CPU
    Intel Core-i7 3770 3.40GHz s1155 (3rd generation)
    Motherboard
    Asus P8H61 s1155 ATX
    Memory
    2x Kingston Hyper-X Blu 8GB DDR3-1600
    Graphics card(s)
    GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 3050 WINDFORCE OC V2 6GB (GV-N3050WF2OCV2-6GD)
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD audio (ALC887)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia KDL-19L4000 19" LCD TV via VGA
    Screen Resolution
    1440x900 32-bit 60Hz
    Hard Drives
    WD Blue SA510 2.5 1000GB SSD as system disk, Western Digital Caviar Purple 4TB SATA III (WD40PURZ) as second
    PSU
    Thermaltake Litepower RGB 550W Full Wired
    Case
    SUPERCASE MIDI-TOWER
    Cooling
    Deepcool Gamma Archer CPU cooler, 1x 8cm fan at the back
    Keyboard
    Mitsumi 101-key PS/2
    Mouse
    Microsoft Compact Optical Mouse
    Internet Speed
    802.11ac 5GHz wireless 260Mpbs
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge, Mozilla Firefox
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Windows Defender
    Other Info
    Legacy BIOS (MBR) installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, WDDM 3.0 graphics drivers, WEI score 7.4
spapakons said:
AMD64 is the same as x64, it refers to the 64-bit version of Windows 11 for PCs. There is also an ARM64 version for some tablets.
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Oh, interesting. I got a bit confused for a minute, wondering if there were different ISOs depending on whether a person had AMD or Intel. (I'm such a greenhorn. lol.)
 

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  • At a glance

    Windows 11 Pro 23H2, Build: 22631.5335 (Retail)Intel Core i5-12600KCrucial Classic DDR5-4800 16GB
    OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2, Build: 22631.5335 (Retail)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    Intel Core i5-12600K
    Motherboard
    ASRock B760M PG Riptide
    Memory
    Crucial Classic DDR5-4800 16GB
    Monitor(s) Displays
    1 good old Benq model
    Hard Drives
    Kingston KC3000 SSD 512GB PCIe 4.0 M.2 2280 NVMe
    PSU
    Seasonic G12 GM 750Watt
    Case
    metal, 15+ years old, ATX/mATX
    Cooling
    Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120
    Keyboard
    Lenovo, wired
    Mouse
    Logitech, wired
    Browser
    Chrome
    Other Info
    First time DIY build.

  • At a glance

    Windows 11 Home 23H2, Build: 22631.4751 (OEM)Intel Core i5-124008 GB DDR4Intel(R) UHD Graphics 730
    Operating System
    Windows 11 Home 23H2, Build: 22631.4751 (OEM)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Aspire XC-1760
    CPU
    Intel Core i5-12400
    Motherboard
    Acer Andrew H610 (PCIe Gen 4)
    Memory
    8 GB DDR4
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel(R) UHD Graphics 730
    Sound Card
    Integrated, HD Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    old Samsung
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080, 60 Hz
    Hard Drives
    M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD (WD or Kingston, not sure), 512GB, partitioned into C & D drives.
    PSU
    Brand unknown. 180W. (80 Plus Gold certification)
    Case
    Slim, DTX
    Cooling
    Brand unknown. Air cooling.
    Keyboard
    Lenovo (wired)
    Mouse
    Logitech (wired)
    Browser
    Chrome
    Other Info
    Extra CPU details:
    Intel UHD Graphics, 6 cores, 12 threads, 2.5 GHz, LGA1700, Intel H610 Chipset.
Trying to learn said:
I got a bit confused for a minute, wondering if there were different ISOs depending on whether a person had AMD or Intel.
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We all get a bit confused by that one ;)

The fact is that AMD released the first 64 bit processor and Intel copied their architecture - hence 'AMD64' refers to both Intel and AMD processors.

Historically, AMD has developed and produced processors with instruction sets patterned after Intel's original designs, but with x86-64, roles were reversed: Intel found itself in the position of adopting the ISA that AMD created as an extension to Intel's own x86 processor line.
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en.wikipedia.org

x86-64 - Wikipedia

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  • At a glance

    Windows 11 HomeAMD Athlon Silver 3050U8GBRadeon Graphics
    OS
    Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Aspire 3 A315-23-R9VY
    CPU
    AMD Athlon Silver 3050U
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Radeon Graphics
    Monitor(s) Displays
    laptop screen
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768 native resolution, up to 2560x1440 with Radeon Virtual Super Resolution
    Hard Drives
    1TB Samsung EVO 870 SSD (from April 2026: 250GB EVO 850)
    Internet Speed
    150 Mbps
    Browser
    Edge, Firefox
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    UPDATE - 11 April 2026: due to lid hinges starting to break up this laptop has been retired from active duty. The OS with all software and files has been migrated to my System Seven in 'Other systems' to carry on as my general purpose 'main machine'.

    I've now clean installed 25H2 and used Garlin's scripts to update Secure Boot to CA 2023 and revoke the PCA 2011 certificates. It's new role is to test secure boot issues.

    Info for 2021-2026:
    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October 2021 it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October. Windows Update offered the 22H2 Feature Update on 20th September 2022. It got the 23H2 Feature Update on 4th November 2023 through Windows Update, 24H2 on 3rd October 2024 through Windows Update by setting the Target Release Version for 24H2, and 25H2 on 30th September 2025 through Windows Update by setting the Target Release Version for 25H2.

  • At a glance

    Windows 11 ProIntel® Core™ i5-520M8GB(integrated graphics) Intel HD Graphics
    Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Latitude E4310
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ i5-520M
    Motherboard
    0T6M8G
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics card(s)
    (integrated graphics) Intel HD Graphics
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Hard Drives
    500GB Crucial MX500 SSD
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround.

    In-place upgrade to 22H2 using ISO and a workaround.
    Feature Update to 23H2 by manually installing the Enablement Package.
    In-place upgrade to 24H2 using hybrid 23H2/24H2 install media.
    Upgraded to 25H2 by Enablement Package.

    Also running Insider Experimental 263xx and 29xxx builds and Windows 10 as native boot .vhdx.
  • My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro.

    My SYSTEM FOUR was a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e (1st gen) type 20DA, Celeron N2930, 8GB RAM, 256GB ssd. Unsupported device. This has now been sold. It has been replaced by my System Eight.

    My SYSTEM FIVE is a Dell Latitude 3190 2-in-1, Pentium Silver N5030, 8GB RAM, 1TB NVMe ssd, supported device running Windows 11 Pro, plus Insider Beta, Experimental 263xx and 29xxx builds (and a few others) as a native boot .vhdx.

    My SYSTEM SIX is a Dell Latitude 5550, Core Ultra 7 165H, 64GB RAM, 1TB NVMe SSD, supported device, Windows 11 Pro, Hyper-V host machine. Updated to 25H2 on 30th September 2025.

    My SYSTEM SEVEN is a Lenovo Thinkpad T580, 1920x1080 touchscreen, Intel Core i7-8650U, 16GB RAM, 512GB NVMe SSD + 2nd 512GB NVMe SSD, a supported device for Windows 11. This is my current general purpose 'main machine'. The installed Windows 11 Home from my System One has been migrated to this machine. As its new home has an existing digital licence for Pro I've been able to upgrade the migrated OS from Home to Pro.

    My SYSTEM EIGHT is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e (5th gen) type 20LN, Celeron N4120, 8GB RAM, 512GB NVMe ssd, a supported device for Windows 11. Currently running Windows 11 Pro, plus Insider Beta, Experimental 263xx and 29xxx builds as native boot vhdx.
Bree said:
We all get a bit confused by that one ;)

The fact is that AMD released the first 64 bit processor and Intel copied their architecture - hence 'AMD64' refers to both Intel and AMD processors.


en.wikipedia.org

x86-64 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org
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Oh neat! Thanks! It's really interesting to learn these things. :)
 

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  • At a glance

    Windows 11 Pro 23H2, Build: 22631.5335 (Retail)Intel Core i5-12600KCrucial Classic DDR5-4800 16GB
    OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2, Build: 22631.5335 (Retail)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    Intel Core i5-12600K
    Motherboard
    ASRock B760M PG Riptide
    Memory
    Crucial Classic DDR5-4800 16GB
    Monitor(s) Displays
    1 good old Benq model
    Hard Drives
    Kingston KC3000 SSD 512GB PCIe 4.0 M.2 2280 NVMe
    PSU
    Seasonic G12 GM 750Watt
    Case
    metal, 15+ years old, ATX/mATX
    Cooling
    Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120
    Keyboard
    Lenovo, wired
    Mouse
    Logitech, wired
    Browser
    Chrome
    Other Info
    First time DIY build.

  • At a glance

    Windows 11 Home 23H2, Build: 22631.4751 (OEM)Intel Core i5-124008 GB DDR4Intel(R) UHD Graphics 730
    Operating System
    Windows 11 Home 23H2, Build: 22631.4751 (OEM)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Aspire XC-1760
    CPU
    Intel Core i5-12400
    Motherboard
    Acer Andrew H610 (PCIe Gen 4)
    Memory
    8 GB DDR4
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel(R) UHD Graphics 730
    Sound Card
    Integrated, HD Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    old Samsung
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080, 60 Hz
    Hard Drives
    M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD (WD or Kingston, not sure), 512GB, partitioned into C & D drives.
    PSU
    Brand unknown. 180W. (80 Plus Gold certification)
    Case
    Slim, DTX
    Cooling
    Brand unknown. Air cooling.
    Keyboard
    Lenovo (wired)
    Mouse
    Logitech (wired)
    Browser
    Chrome
    Other Info
    Extra CPU details:
    Intel UHD Graphics, 6 cores, 12 threads, 2.5 GHz, LGA1700, Intel H610 Chipset.
Perhaps you could list your specific printer(s) brand and model info. Do you use document or flatbed scanners also?
 

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  • At a glance

    Clean Install 26200.9168 Secure boot is on.AMD Ryzen 7 8845HSDDR5-5600 / PC5-44800 DDR5 SDRAM SO-DIMM32GAMD Radeon 780M
    OS
    Clean Install 26200.9168 Secure boot is on.
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Beelink SER8 Mini
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7 8845HS
    Motherboard
    AZW SER8 AMD Promontory/Bixby FCH
    Memory
    DDR5-5600 / PC5-44800 DDR5 SDRAM SO-DIMM32G
    Graphics Card(s)
    AMD Radeon 780M
    Sound Card
    AMD Zen - Audio Processor - HD Audio Controller
    Monitor(s) Displays
    1 LG HDR 32"
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    1TB Crucial NVME Internal
    2TB Crucial NVME Internal
    2TB Crucial NVME External
    WD 1TB SSD SATA to USB3
    Samsung SSD 1TB SATA to USB3
    Samsung 500G SATA to USB3
    500G Crucial SSD to USB3
    PSU
    Beelink
    Case
    Beelink
    Cooling
    Beelink
    Keyboard
    Logitech Backlit USB
    Mouse
    Logitech M510
    Internet Speed
    250-500
    Browser
    Edge, Firefox, Chrome
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Security 1.451.235.0 version created 6-2-2026
    Other Info
    Macrium X Build 10.0.8843
    Minitool Pro Ultimate 13.9
    Aomie Partition Assistant Pro 10.12.0
    REVO Pro 5.5.2.0 Portable
    JAM Treesize 9.7.2.2203 Perpetual Outdated.
    JAM Ultrasearch Pro 4.9.1.1204 Perpetual Outdated.
    Malwarebytes Pro 5.6.5 Update 1.0.113698 Component 163.0.5714
    Screenpresso Pro 2.2.12.3 beta (.Net 4.8) 2026-5-026
    Hamrick Vue Scan Pro 9.7.99 for Epson Perfection V39II Flatbed Scanner
    Epson ES-500W Doc Scanner.
    Epson Eco Tank Printer 3850
    Thunderbird 154
    em Client 10.4.5674
    Affinity Suite Publisher, Designer, Photo 2.6.5
    Microsoft 365 MSO (Version 2608 Build 16.0.20326.20072) 64-bit
    Creative cloud Version 6911 Apps 6.9.0.618 CCLibrary 4.16.2 (Photo subscription)
    HXD Hex Editor Version 2.5.0.0
    DAW Software Reaper with Izotope Plugins
    WYSIWYG Web Builder 20.4.2
    Filezilla 3.70.5
    System Informer
    O&O Regedit
    Advanced IP Scanner 2.5.1
    PEAK DCA Transistor Graphical USB Interface for Viewing Transistor Operational Curves. Win
    Games - Win-7 Card Games
    Microsoft FSX "Pro Gold Flight Sim with add ons. Still works perfectly.
    Many Other free and paid applications
    Visual Studio 2026 Community 18,9.2
    Sordum Tools
    Oblique audio latency tool for Motu6.
    Original Microsoft FSX with accelerator pack. Still installs and works well.

  • At a glance

    Win11 Pro OEM 25H2 OS Build 26200.7019AMD Ryzen 7 8845HSDDR5 32GBeelink SER7
    Operating System
    Win11 Pro OEM 25H2 OS Build 26200.7019
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Beelink
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7 8845HS
    Motherboard
    AMD
    Memory
    DDR5 32G
    Graphics card(s)
    Beelink SER7
    Sound Card
    Beelink SER7
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dell
    Screen Resolution
    Native
    Hard Drives
    1TB Crucial NVMe SSD 2G SATA
    PSU
    Beelink Proprietary
    Case
    Beelink Proprietary
    Cooling
    Beelink Proprietary
    Keyboard
    gaming keyboard
    Mouse
    MS
    Internet Speed
    T-Mobile 5G
    Antivirus
    Defender Malwarebytes
    Other Info
    Microsoft 365 Family Office
    Macrium X Subscription1 Version 10
    Mini-Tool Ultimate 13.0 Lifetime
    Malwarebytes Premium w/VPN 5
    Revo Pro Portable Pro 5
    Roboform 9.7.7.
    Others. (All legit)
Bree said:
We all get a bit confused by that one ;)

The fact is that AMD released the first 64 bit processor and Intel copied their architecture - hence 'AMD64' refers to both Intel and AMD processors.


en.wikipedia.org

x86-64 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org
Click to expand...
Intel improved on AMD64 adding more instructions. This explains why the first generation of AMD 64 CPUs is not compatible with Windows 8 64-bit or higher, while all Intel 64-bit families are. In fact I have installed Windows 11 23H2 on a first generation Intel Pentium 4 64-bit (600 series) CPU.
 
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  • At a glance

    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 (7582), 25H2 (9445)Mobile DualCore Intel Core 2 Duo T7250, 2000 MHz4GBMobile Intel(R) GMA 4500M (Mobile 4 series)
    OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 (7582), 25H2 (9445)
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Extensa 5630EZ
    CPU
    Mobile DualCore Intel Core 2 Duo T7250, 2000 MHz
    Motherboard
    Acer Extensa 5630
    Memory
    4GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Mobile Intel(R) GMA 4500M (Mobile 4 series)
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC268 @ Intel 82801IB ICH9 - High Definition Audio Controller
    Monitor(s) Displays
    1
    Screen Resolution
    1280x800
    Hard Drives
    Samsung SSD 850 EVO 250GB SATA Device (250 GB, SATA-III)
    Internet Speed
    802.11g wireless 54 Mbps
    Browser
    MICROSOFT EDGE
    Antivirus
    WINDOWS DEFENDER
    Other Info
    Legacy MBR installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, no WDDM 2.0 graphics drivers, no SSE4.2, cannot get more unsupported ;) This is only my test laptop. I had installed Windows 11 here before upgrading my main PC. For my main PC I use everyday see my 2nd system specs.

  • At a glance

    Windows 11 Pro v25H2 (build 26200.9445)Intel Core-i7 3770 3.40GHz s1155 (3rd generat...2x Kingston Hyper-X Blu 8GB DDR3-1600GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 3050 WINDFORCE OC V2 6GB...
    Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro v25H2 (build 26200.9445)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom-built PC
    CPU
    Intel Core-i7 3770 3.40GHz s1155 (3rd generation)
    Motherboard
    Asus P8H61 s1155 ATX
    Memory
    2x Kingston Hyper-X Blu 8GB DDR3-1600
    Graphics card(s)
    GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 3050 WINDFORCE OC V2 6GB (GV-N3050WF2OCV2-6GD)
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD audio (ALC887)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia KDL-19L4000 19" LCD TV via VGA
    Screen Resolution
    1440x900 32-bit 60Hz
    Hard Drives
    WD Blue SA510 2.5 1000GB SSD as system disk, Western Digital Caviar Purple 4TB SATA III (WD40PURZ) as second
    PSU
    Thermaltake Litepower RGB 550W Full Wired
    Case
    SUPERCASE MIDI-TOWER
    Cooling
    Deepcool Gamma Archer CPU cooler, 1x 8cm fan at the back
    Keyboard
    Mitsumi 101-key PS/2
    Mouse
    Microsoft Compact Optical Mouse
    Internet Speed
    802.11ac 5GHz wireless 260Mpbs
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge, Mozilla Firefox
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Windows Defender
    Other Info
    Legacy BIOS (MBR) installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, WDDM 3.0 graphics drivers, WEI score 7.4
Bree said:
We all get a bit confused by that one ;)

The fact is that AMD released the first 64 bit processor and Intel copied their architecture - hence 'AMD64' refers to both Intel and AMD processors.


(snip)
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Intel launched Itanium in 2001. But it wasn't a desktop CPU, and required a different version of Windows than X86. It never caught on at a large scale.

AMD produced 64 bit CPUs that were backwards compatible with X86. First product in 2003. Early versions didn't permit Windows 8.1 X64. (Windows 8 X64 was OK.) That carried over to Windows 10 X64. My old Socket 939 Athlon 64 X2 (2005) was such a CPU. I recall the old days, when AMD made Socket 7 Intel clone CPUs. They've come a long way since.
 

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  • At a glance

    Windows 11 26300.9278Amd Threadripper 7970X128GB (4 X 32) G.Skill DDR5 6400 (RDIMM)Gigabyte RTX 4090 OC
    OS
    Windows 11 26300.9278
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    homebuilt
    CPU
    Amd Threadripper 7970X
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte TRX50 Aero D Rev. 1.0
    Memory
    128GB (4 X 32) G.Skill DDR5 6400 (RDIMM)
    Graphics Card(s)
    Gigabyte RTX 4090 OC
    Sound Card
    none (USB to speakers), Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Innocn 32" OLED
    Screen Resolution
    3840 X 2160 @ 60Hz
    Hard Drives
    Crucial T700 2TB M.2 NVME SSD
    WD 4TB Blue SATA SSD
    Seagate 18TB IronWolf Pro
    PSU
    BeQuiet! Straight Power 12 1500W
    Case
    Lian Li 011 Dynamic Evo XL
    Cooling
    SilverStone Technology XE360-TR5, with 3 Phanteks T30 fans
    Keyboard
    Cherry KC 500 MX LP (mechanical)
    Mouse
    Logitech M500s (wired)
    Internet Speed
    2000/250 Mbps (down/up)
    Other Info
    xFinity gateway

  • At a glance

    windows 11 26300.9278Intel I9-13900K64GB G.Skill DDR5-6000Gigabyte RTX 3090 ti
    Operating System
    windows 11 26300.9278
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    homebuilt
    CPU
    Intel I9-13900K
    Motherboard
    Asus RoG Strix Z690-E
    Memory
    64GB G.Skill DDR5-6000
    Graphics card(s)
    Gigabyte RTX 3090 ti
    Sound Card
    built in Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Philips 27E1N8900 27" OLED
    Screen Resolution
    3840 X 2160 @60Hz
    Hard Drives
    WDC SN850 1TB
    8TB Seagate Ironwolf
    4TB Seagate Ironwolf
    PSU
    eVGA SuperNOVA 1300 GT
    Case
    Lian Li 011 Dynamic Evo
    Cooling
    Corsair iCUE H150i ELITE CAPELLIX Liquid CPU Cooler
    Keyboard
    Cherry Streaming (wired)
    Mouse
    Logitech M500s (wired)
MachineLanguage said:
Perhaps you could list your specific printer(s) brand and model info. Do you use document or flatbed scanners also?
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It's an HP Smart Tank Plus 559. It prints and scans. It has already been a bit pesky, not always working quite as it should, so we're just hoping to avoid any more troubles with it for a while. ;)
 

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  • At a glance

    Windows 11 Pro 23H2, Build: 22631.5335 (Retail)Intel Core i5-12600KCrucial Classic DDR5-4800 16GB
    OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2, Build: 22631.5335 (Retail)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    Intel Core i5-12600K
    Motherboard
    ASRock B760M PG Riptide
    Memory
    Crucial Classic DDR5-4800 16GB
    Monitor(s) Displays
    1 good old Benq model
    Hard Drives
    Kingston KC3000 SSD 512GB PCIe 4.0 M.2 2280 NVMe
    PSU
    Seasonic G12 GM 750Watt
    Case
    metal, 15+ years old, ATX/mATX
    Cooling
    Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120
    Keyboard
    Lenovo, wired
    Mouse
    Logitech, wired
    Browser
    Chrome
    Other Info
    First time DIY build.

  • At a glance

    Windows 11 Home 23H2, Build: 22631.4751 (OEM)Intel Core i5-124008 GB DDR4Intel(R) UHD Graphics 730
    Operating System
    Windows 11 Home 23H2, Build: 22631.4751 (OEM)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Aspire XC-1760
    CPU
    Intel Core i5-12400
    Motherboard
    Acer Andrew H610 (PCIe Gen 4)
    Memory
    8 GB DDR4
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel(R) UHD Graphics 730
    Sound Card
    Integrated, HD Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    old Samsung
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080, 60 Hz
    Hard Drives
    M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD (WD or Kingston, not sure), 512GB, partitioned into C & D drives.
    PSU
    Brand unknown. 180W. (80 Plus Gold certification)
    Case
    Slim, DTX
    Cooling
    Brand unknown. Air cooling.
    Keyboard
    Lenovo (wired)
    Mouse
    Logitech (wired)
    Browser
    Chrome
    Other Info
    Extra CPU details:
    Intel UHD Graphics, 6 cores, 12 threads, 2.5 GHz, LGA1700, Intel H610 Chipset.
spapakons said:
Intel improved on AMD64 adding more instructions. This explains why the first generation of AMD 64 CPUs is not compatible with Windows 8 64-bit or higher, while all Intel 64-bit families are. In fact I have installed Windows 11 23H2 on a first generation Intel Pentium 4 64-bit (600 series) CPU.
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Oh that's interesting. :) Thanks. Good to learn these things. :)
 

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  • At a glance

    Windows 11 Pro 23H2, Build: 22631.5335 (Retail)Intel Core i5-12600KCrucial Classic DDR5-4800 16GB
    OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2, Build: 22631.5335 (Retail)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    Intel Core i5-12600K
    Motherboard
    ASRock B760M PG Riptide
    Memory
    Crucial Classic DDR5-4800 16GB
    Monitor(s) Displays
    1 good old Benq model
    Hard Drives
    Kingston KC3000 SSD 512GB PCIe 4.0 M.2 2280 NVMe
    PSU
    Seasonic G12 GM 750Watt
    Case
    metal, 15+ years old, ATX/mATX
    Cooling
    Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120
    Keyboard
    Lenovo, wired
    Mouse
    Logitech, wired
    Browser
    Chrome
    Other Info
    First time DIY build.

  • At a glance

    Windows 11 Home 23H2, Build: 22631.4751 (OEM)Intel Core i5-124008 GB DDR4Intel(R) UHD Graphics 730
    Operating System
    Windows 11 Home 23H2, Build: 22631.4751 (OEM)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Aspire XC-1760
    CPU
    Intel Core i5-12400
    Motherboard
    Acer Andrew H610 (PCIe Gen 4)
    Memory
    8 GB DDR4
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel(R) UHD Graphics 730
    Sound Card
    Integrated, HD Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    old Samsung
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080, 60 Hz
    Hard Drives
    M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD (WD or Kingston, not sure), 512GB, partitioned into C & D drives.
    PSU
    Brand unknown. 180W. (80 Plus Gold certification)
    Case
    Slim, DTX
    Cooling
    Brand unknown. Air cooling.
    Keyboard
    Lenovo (wired)
    Mouse
    Logitech (wired)
    Browser
    Chrome
    Other Info
    Extra CPU details:
    Intel UHD Graphics, 6 cores, 12 threads, 2.5 GHz, LGA1700, Intel H610 Chipset.
bobkn said:
Intel launched Itanium in 2001. But it wasn't a desktop CPU, and required a different version of Windows than X86. It never caught on at a large scale.

AMD produced 64 bit CPUs that were backwards compatible with X86. First product in 2003. Early versions didn't permit Windows 8.1 X64. (Windows 8 X64 was OK.) That carried over to Windows 10 X64. My old Socket 939 Athlon 64 X2 (2005) was such a CPU. I recall the old days, when AMD made Socket 7 Intel clone CPUs. They've come a long way since.
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I don't know much about these things, but your comment reminded me of a conversation my husband and I had last evening... we were looking at the new computer's UEFI settings, feeling amazed all over again about how far tech has come in the last 40 years. He was remembering how it used to be in the good ol' days when he was a boy and it was necessary to use a kind of cassette tape with his first computers. Everything was so slow that it taught him a lot of patience in life. Now there's "Fast Boot" and "overclocking"/"turbo" settings that bewilder us. lol.

For me, my first exposure was in the computer lab at the brand new junior high school. There were 3 big rows of gigantic monitors almost as big and heavy as some of the early countertop TVs, all showing green flashing DOS prompts, and we had to learn how to type on them. :) Now I can use them to have video calls with friends on the other side of the world with no time delay in the connection, as if they're right here in the room with us. It really is amazing, all these changes over the years.
 

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  • At a glance

    Windows 11 Pro 23H2, Build: 22631.5335 (Retail)Intel Core i5-12600KCrucial Classic DDR5-4800 16GB
    OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2, Build: 22631.5335 (Retail)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    Intel Core i5-12600K
    Motherboard
    ASRock B760M PG Riptide
    Memory
    Crucial Classic DDR5-4800 16GB
    Monitor(s) Displays
    1 good old Benq model
    Hard Drives
    Kingston KC3000 SSD 512GB PCIe 4.0 M.2 2280 NVMe
    PSU
    Seasonic G12 GM 750Watt
    Case
    metal, 15+ years old, ATX/mATX
    Cooling
    Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120
    Keyboard
    Lenovo, wired
    Mouse
    Logitech, wired
    Browser
    Chrome
    Other Info
    First time DIY build.

  • At a glance

    Windows 11 Home 23H2, Build: 22631.4751 (OEM)Intel Core i5-124008 GB DDR4Intel(R) UHD Graphics 730
    Operating System
    Windows 11 Home 23H2, Build: 22631.4751 (OEM)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Aspire XC-1760
    CPU
    Intel Core i5-12400
    Motherboard
    Acer Andrew H610 (PCIe Gen 4)
    Memory
    8 GB DDR4
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel(R) UHD Graphics 730
    Sound Card
    Integrated, HD Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    old Samsung
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080, 60 Hz
    Hard Drives
    M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD (WD or Kingston, not sure), 512GB, partitioned into C & D drives.
    PSU
    Brand unknown. 180W. (80 Plus Gold certification)
    Case
    Slim, DTX
    Cooling
    Brand unknown. Air cooling.
    Keyboard
    Lenovo (wired)
    Mouse
    Logitech (wired)
    Browser
    Chrome
    Other Info
    Extra CPU details:
    Intel UHD Graphics, 6 cores, 12 threads, 2.5 GHz, LGA1700, Intel H610 Chipset.
Talking about tapes, I remember the first James Bond movie, Dr No, that the bad guy has a compact cassette with a program for some huge computer to destroy the World. James Bond managed to switch the cassette with a standard audio one containing songs. Too funny. Today's kids would never understand the joke. Also I remember that I was collecting ZX Stectrum cassette games, before even buying my first computer, because my friends had a ZX Spectrum, but eventually I bought a PC and couldn't use them! However l, some years later I had a ZX Spectrum emulator running on the PC and I could record the cassettes in audio files and finally run the games. "Better late than never", as we say in Greek.
 

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  • At a glance

    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 (7582), 25H2 (9445)Mobile DualCore Intel Core 2 Duo T7250, 2000 MHz4GBMobile Intel(R) GMA 4500M (Mobile 4 series)
    OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 (7582), 25H2 (9445)
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Extensa 5630EZ
    CPU
    Mobile DualCore Intel Core 2 Duo T7250, 2000 MHz
    Motherboard
    Acer Extensa 5630
    Memory
    4GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Mobile Intel(R) GMA 4500M (Mobile 4 series)
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC268 @ Intel 82801IB ICH9 - High Definition Audio Controller
    Monitor(s) Displays
    1
    Screen Resolution
    1280x800
    Hard Drives
    Samsung SSD 850 EVO 250GB SATA Device (250 GB, SATA-III)
    Internet Speed
    802.11g wireless 54 Mbps
    Browser
    MICROSOFT EDGE
    Antivirus
    WINDOWS DEFENDER
    Other Info
    Legacy MBR installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, no WDDM 2.0 graphics drivers, no SSE4.2, cannot get more unsupported ;) This is only my test laptop. I had installed Windows 11 here before upgrading my main PC. For my main PC I use everyday see my 2nd system specs.

  • At a glance

    Windows 11 Pro v25H2 (build 26200.9445)Intel Core-i7 3770 3.40GHz s1155 (3rd generat...2x Kingston Hyper-X Blu 8GB DDR3-1600GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 3050 WINDFORCE OC V2 6GB...
    Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro v25H2 (build 26200.9445)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom-built PC
    CPU
    Intel Core-i7 3770 3.40GHz s1155 (3rd generation)
    Motherboard
    Asus P8H61 s1155 ATX
    Memory
    2x Kingston Hyper-X Blu 8GB DDR3-1600
    Graphics card(s)
    GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 3050 WINDFORCE OC V2 6GB (GV-N3050WF2OCV2-6GD)
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD audio (ALC887)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia KDL-19L4000 19" LCD TV via VGA
    Screen Resolution
    1440x900 32-bit 60Hz
    Hard Drives
    WD Blue SA510 2.5 1000GB SSD as system disk, Western Digital Caviar Purple 4TB SATA III (WD40PURZ) as second
    PSU
    Thermaltake Litepower RGB 550W Full Wired
    Case
    SUPERCASE MIDI-TOWER
    Cooling
    Deepcool Gamma Archer CPU cooler, 1x 8cm fan at the back
    Keyboard
    Mitsumi 101-key PS/2
    Mouse
    Microsoft Compact Optical Mouse
    Internet Speed
    802.11ac 5GHz wireless 260Mpbs
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge, Mozilla Firefox
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Windows Defender
    Other Info
    Legacy BIOS (MBR) installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, WDDM 3.0 graphics drivers, WEI score 7.4
bobkn said:
Intel launched Itanium in 2001. But it wasn't a desktop CPU, and required a different version of Windows than X86. It never caught on at a large scale.

AMD produced 64 bit CPUs that were backwards compatible with X86. First product in 2003. Early versions didn't permit Windows 8.1 X64. (Windows 8 X64 was OK.) That carried over to Windows 10 X64. My old Socket 939 Athlon 64 X2 (2005) was such a CPU. I recall the old days, when AMD made Socket 7 Intel clone CPUs. They've come a long way since.
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If I remember correctly, both Windows 8.0 and Windows 8.1 64-bit had the same requirements, as with Windows 10 64-bit. So they wouldn't install on first generation AMD 64 systems that lack these instructions. These were limited to either Windows 7 64-bit or Windows 8/10 32-bit. Also the standard releases of Windows 8 and 8.1 32-bit wouldn't install on an Intel Pentium 4 socket 478 Prescott (32-bit) systems. Only the Windows 8.0 Developer's Preview 32-bit (Beta version) that didn't have the PAE/NX instruction requirement. But there were patches to bypass compatibility check and install the standard version of Windows 8.0 and 8.1 32-bit on an Intel Pentium 4 socket 478 Prescott. However, every single cumulative update would replace the patched system files and Windows wouldn't boot unless you patched them again. Not really convenient, I would rather use Windows 7 32-bit.
 

My Computers My Computers

System One System Two

  • At a glance

    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 (7582), 25H2 (9445)Mobile DualCore Intel Core 2 Duo T7250, 2000 MHz4GBMobile Intel(R) GMA 4500M (Mobile 4 series)
    OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 (7582), 25H2 (9445)
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Extensa 5630EZ
    CPU
    Mobile DualCore Intel Core 2 Duo T7250, 2000 MHz
    Motherboard
    Acer Extensa 5630
    Memory
    4GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Mobile Intel(R) GMA 4500M (Mobile 4 series)
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC268 @ Intel 82801IB ICH9 - High Definition Audio Controller
    Monitor(s) Displays
    1
    Screen Resolution
    1280x800
    Hard Drives
    Samsung SSD 850 EVO 250GB SATA Device (250 GB, SATA-III)
    Internet Speed
    802.11g wireless 54 Mbps
    Browser
    MICROSOFT EDGE
    Antivirus
    WINDOWS DEFENDER
    Other Info
    Legacy MBR installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, no WDDM 2.0 graphics drivers, no SSE4.2, cannot get more unsupported ;) This is only my test laptop. I had installed Windows 11 here before upgrading my main PC. For my main PC I use everyday see my 2nd system specs.

  • At a glance

    Windows 11 Pro v25H2 (build 26200.9445)Intel Core-i7 3770 3.40GHz s1155 (3rd generat...2x Kingston Hyper-X Blu 8GB DDR3-1600GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 3050 WINDFORCE OC V2 6GB...
    Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro v25H2 (build 26200.9445)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom-built PC
    CPU
    Intel Core-i7 3770 3.40GHz s1155 (3rd generation)
    Motherboard
    Asus P8H61 s1155 ATX
    Memory
    2x Kingston Hyper-X Blu 8GB DDR3-1600
    Graphics card(s)
    GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 3050 WINDFORCE OC V2 6GB (GV-N3050WF2OCV2-6GD)
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD audio (ALC887)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia KDL-19L4000 19" LCD TV via VGA
    Screen Resolution
    1440x900 32-bit 60Hz
    Hard Drives
    WD Blue SA510 2.5 1000GB SSD as system disk, Western Digital Caviar Purple 4TB SATA III (WD40PURZ) as second
    PSU
    Thermaltake Litepower RGB 550W Full Wired
    Case
    SUPERCASE MIDI-TOWER
    Cooling
    Deepcool Gamma Archer CPU cooler, 1x 8cm fan at the back
    Keyboard
    Mitsumi 101-key PS/2
    Mouse
    Microsoft Compact Optical Mouse
    Internet Speed
    802.11ac 5GHz wireless 260Mpbs
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge, Mozilla Firefox
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Windows Defender
    Other Info
    Legacy BIOS (MBR) installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, WDDM 3.0 graphics drivers, WEI score 7.4
Trying to learn said:
It's an HP Smart Tank Plus 559. It prints and scans. It has already been a bit pesky, not always working quite as it should, so we're just hoping to avoid any more troubles with it for a while. ;)
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Vuescan keeps a lot of these old scanner working !!! Even on Win11 (as do using an older OS as a VM) -- I still have an Agfa 35 MM negartve scanner == absolutely brilliant for digitising old kodachrome slides (those kodachrome slides with full colour still look wonderful when digitised and printed to large A3+ and even A2 sizes !!!! .

Don't always be in a hurry to junk old technology -- in fact these days a lot of "sophisticated people of dubious intent" are moving away from smart phones and commercial internet to communicate, plan and execute their nasty and destructive intentions.

A simple "One time" pad will defeat even the most sophisticated computer these days !!!.

Any mathematician or physicist here of any repute on the Forum should be able to prove that breaking a "One time pad" is impossible without getting into the realm of quantum physics and using hardware that's not likely to be anywhere except in the realm of Science Fiction for the next 200 years at least.

You can run W11 on almost ANY sort of hardware (64 bit CPU capable required though) provided you use dism /Apply-Image and install the boot loader. I'm not sure whether pure BIOS boots (MBR) still works though and with larger disks you'd need to have them gpt formatted - not necessarily with an EFI partition.

Cheers
jimbo
 

My Computer My Computer

At a glance

Windows XP,11 Linux Fedora Rawhide pre-releas...2 X Intel i7
OS
Windows XP,11 Linux Fedora Rawhide pre-release 46
Computer type
PC/Desktop
CPU
2 X Intel i7
Screen Resolution
4KUHD X 2
jimbo45 said:
A simple "One time" pad will defeat even the most sophisticated computer these days !!!.

Any mathematician or physicist here of any repute on the Forum should be able to prove that breaking a "One time pad" is impossible without getting into the realm of quantum physics and using hardware that's not likely to be anywhere except in the realm of Science Fiction for the next 200 years at least.


Cheers
jimbo
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WHOOOOSH...right over my head :geek:
 

My Computers My Computers

System One System Two

  • At a glance

    Win 11 ProIntel(R) Core(TM) i5-10400F CPU @ 2.90GHzCorsair VENGEANCE® LPX 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4 D...MSI NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 Ti
    OS
    Win 11 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    ABS (Newegg)
    CPU
    Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-10400F CPU @ 2.90GHz
    Motherboard
    ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. PRIME B560M-A AC Rev 1.xx
    Memory
    Corsair VENGEANCE® LPX 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4 DRAM 3600MHz
    Graphics Card(s)
    MSI NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 Ti
    Sound Card
    Realtek Digital Output (Realtek(R) Audio)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Viewsonic VS 2725 -2k 27"
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1440 100hz
    Hard Drives
    T-FORCE TM8FP800 1TB + a couple SATA SSDs
    PSU
    Gigabyte P650E
    Case
    DeepCool Matrexx 50 mid-tower
    Cooling
    Assassin X 120 Refined SE and 5 Thermalright TL-C12C case fans
    Keyboard
    Redragon K655 or K720
    Mouse
    CoolerMaster MM711 or Redragon M612
    Internet Speed
    Starlink: speed varies
    Browser
    Brave (default), Chrome (for ATG), Edge (for ATMS)
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
    Other Info
    An assortment of "land fill, obsolete" computers all running Linux Mint 22 (at the moment).

  • At a glance

    Linux Mint 22.2 Cinnamoni5 459016 GBIntel(R) HD Graphics 4600
    Operating System
    Linux Mint 22.2 Cinnamon
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Hewlett-Packard HP ProDesk 600 G1 SFF
    CPU
    i5 4590
    Motherboard
    HP
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel(R) HD Graphics 4600
    Sound Card
    Realtek High Definition Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Generic 24"
    Hard Drives
    Samsung SSD 860 EVO 500GB
    Hitachi HUA722010CLA330
    WDC WD40EZAZ-19SF3B0
    PSU
    Factory 240 watt
    Case
    Low Profile Desktop
    Cooling
    Factory cooling
    Keyboard
    HP
    Mouse
    HP
    Internet Speed
    Starlink
    Browser
    Brave
    Antivirus
    ?
    Other Info
    This is my media server
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