Check XMP RAM stability?


francisco94

francisco94

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Very occasionally I've experienced crashes similar to the radar_pre_leak crash, months apart, and I haven't been able to replicate them.

The only one that follows a pattern and that I can more or less replicate occurs when I open the Nvidia Control Panel after repeatedly enabling/disabling G-Sync there (I was doing this to force a blue screen in a game). It crashes with an error like "0xc000041d" and ":0xc0000005" in the Event Viewer.

Could this be somewhat normal, and am I simply overanalyzing occasional crashes due to software errors, or is my system unstable?

I have an I7-13700Kf/rtx 4080 Super, the motherboard is a Z790-A Wifi, DDR5 32gb ram. The PSU is 1200W.

I tested the RAM with two default Memtest86 tests (each running four times through each of the 13 or 14 tests), as well as two one-hour memory tests from OCCT and one hour of the TechPowerUp test. I also passed the test: Intel Process Diagnostic Tool.
Thanks.
 

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I have almost the same computer as you. In my case, I set my RAM's XMP profile to its maximum, 6800 MT/s. However, after several unexpected crashes in some games, I decided to try OCCT and found that the RAM was generating a lot of errors. So I set a lower XMP profile, at 6400 M/s, and since then I haven't had any problems.

On the other hand, you should consider that the errors you are experiencing may not be due to your computer, but to the software. Unfortunately, this is something that happens very often lately. We drive ourselves crazy thinking that we have a hardware problem, and it turns out to be a problem with the application or the operating system itself.

In your particular case, many games and programs have shown many problems with G-Sync. I have no doubt that it is a very good option, but since its implementation it has not stopped generating errors and crashes. However, these problems can be due to many causes: poorly programmed software, outdated monitor firmware, operating system bugs, graphics card driver bugs...

To rule out a hardware problem, I recommend running the same tests you did on the RAM, but also on the CPU and even the graphics memory. You can do all of this with OCCT (but run one test at a time, don't do them all at once).
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Win 11 Pro 23H2
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    13700K
    Motherboard
    MAG Z790 TOMAHAWK WIFI (7D91vHH - 0x12F)
    Memory
    32GB DDR5 Kingston Fury Renegade @6400
    Graphics Card(s)
    MSI GeForce RTX 4070 Ti Gaming X Slim White 12G
    Sound Card
    Creative Sound Blaster Z SE
    Monitor(s) Displays
    ASUS VA24DQ
    Hard Drives
    WD Black SN850X 2TB (main)
    SAMSUNG SSD 990 Pro 2TB
    WD Blue 1TB 7200rpm
    PSU
    Corsair RM1000x SHIFT
    Case
    DeepCool CH560 WH
    Cooling
    Noctua NH-D15S
    Keyboard
    Ducky One 3 Pro Nazca Line
    Mouse
    Logitech G403 HERO
win11raider said:
I have almost the same computer as you. In my case, I set my RAM's XMP profile to its maximum, 6800 MT/s. However, after several unexpected crashes in some games, I decided to try OCCT and found that the RAM was generating a lot of errors. So I set a lower XMP profile, at 6400 M/s, and since then I haven't had any problems.

On the other hand, you should consider that the errors you are experiencing may not be due to your computer, but to the software. Unfortunately, this is something that happens very often lately. We drive ourselves crazy thinking that we have a hardware problem, and it turns out to be a problem with the application or the operating system itself.

In your particular case, many games and programs have shown many problems with G-Sync. I have no doubt that it is a very good option, but since its implementation it has not stopped generating errors and crashes. However, these problems can be due to many causes: poorly programmed software, outdated monitor firmware, operating system bugs, graphics card driver bugs...

To rule out a hardware problem, I recommend running the same tests you did on the RAM, but also on the CPU and even the graphics memory. You can do all of this with OCCT (but run one test at a time, don't do them all at once).
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Today I ran the CPU+RAM test in OCCT, then the CPU test in "normal" mode, and then the CPU test again in "extreme" mode. After that, I also ran the VRAM test.

All passed successfully.
 

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I also took the OCCT memory test again.

Edit: I managed to replicate the Nvidia control panel crash with XMP disabled, so that's not the issue.
 
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In which game or games does this error occur?
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Win 11 Pro 23H2
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    13700K
    Motherboard
    MAG Z790 TOMAHAWK WIFI (7D91vHH - 0x12F)
    Memory
    32GB DDR5 Kingston Fury Renegade @6400
    Graphics Card(s)
    MSI GeForce RTX 4070 Ti Gaming X Slim White 12G
    Sound Card
    Creative Sound Blaster Z SE
    Monitor(s) Displays
    ASUS VA24DQ
    Hard Drives
    WD Black SN850X 2TB (main)
    SAMSUNG SSD 990 Pro 2TB
    WD Blue 1TB 7200rpm
    PSU
    Corsair RM1000x SHIFT
    Case
    DeepCool CH560 WH
    Cooling
    Noctua NH-D15S
    Keyboard
    Ducky One 3 Pro Nazca Line
    Mouse
    Logitech G403 HERO
francisco94 said:
It's not a game, it's an app: Nvidia Control Panel.
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Sorry, I misinterpreted. I thought the problem arose when you ran a game after changing the settings in the Nvidia app. In other words, your error occurs while you are using the Nvidia control panel.

When you say Nvidia control panel, are you referring to the classic control panel or the new Nvidia app?

The new Nvidia app is the sucessor of the nVidia GeForce Experience. This app has been full of bugs since it was released to replace the classic control panel. That's why, to this day, Nvidia still haven't removed the classic control panel. Unless you need Nvidia app for some reason, my recommendation is to avoid it at all costs. Not only does it have internal problems, but it can also cause problems externally. A classic example is the drop in performance of many applications and games when applying some of its profiles.

If your problem occurs with the classic control panel, my recommendation is to uninstall both the drivers and the control panel using the DDU utility to remove any remnants, and then reinstall the drivers. If after doing all that you still have the same problem, you should check the Nvidia forums to see if anyone else has the same problem to see if the cause is the drivers or something else.

Regarding the instability of your system, if after all the tests you have done you no longer have crashes, I would rule it out. If your system or any components were unstable, you would have experienced many more problems. In addition to the tests you have done, a good stability test is to install the Nvidia drivers. When you run the Nvidia installer, the drivers are unzipped, consuming a lot of resources. If your system were unstable, the installation of the drivers would not continue.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Win 11 Pro 23H2
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    13700K
    Motherboard
    MAG Z790 TOMAHAWK WIFI (7D91vHH - 0x12F)
    Memory
    32GB DDR5 Kingston Fury Renegade @6400
    Graphics Card(s)
    MSI GeForce RTX 4070 Ti Gaming X Slim White 12G
    Sound Card
    Creative Sound Blaster Z SE
    Monitor(s) Displays
    ASUS VA24DQ
    Hard Drives
    WD Black SN850X 2TB (main)
    SAMSUNG SSD 990 Pro 2TB
    WD Blue 1TB 7200rpm
    PSU
    Corsair RM1000x SHIFT
    Case
    DeepCool CH560 WH
    Cooling
    Noctua NH-D15S
    Keyboard
    Ducky One 3 Pro Nazca Line
    Mouse
    Logitech G403 HERO
win11raider said:
Sorry, I misinterpreted. I thought the problem arose when you ran a game after changing the settings in the Nvidia app. In other words, your error occurs while you are using the Nvidia control panel.

When you say Nvidia control panel, are you referring to the classic control panel or the new Nvidia app?

The new Nvidia app is the sucessor of the nVidia GeForce Experience. This app has been full of bugs since it was released to replace the classic control panel. That's why, to this day, Nvidia still haven't removed the classic control panel. Unless you need Nvidia app for some reason, my recommendation is to avoid it at all costs. Not only does it have internal problems, but it can also cause problems externally. A classic example is the drop in performance of many applications and games when applying some of its profiles.

If your problem occurs with the classic control panel, my recommendation is to uninstall both the drivers and the control panel using the DDU utility to remove any remnants, and then reinstall the drivers. If after doing all that you still have the same problem, you should check the Nvidia forums to see if anyone else has the same problem to see if the cause is the drivers or something else.

Regarding the instability of your system, if after all the tests you have done you no longer have crashes, I would rule it out. If your system or any components were unstable, you would have experienced many more problems. In addition to the tests you have done, a good stability test is to install the Nvidia drivers. When you run the Nvidia installer, the drivers are unzipped, consuming a lot of resources. If your system were unstable, the installation of the drivers would not continue.
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The error occurs with the old Nvidia application. Should I then look for other people experiencing the same issue after all the tests I've done?

The same thing happens with a clean driver installation. I can also reproduce the error with xmp disabled
 

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  • OS
    Windows 11
At this point, my only suggestion is to check if your monitor has any firmware updates that might fix the G-Sync issues. For months, I've been seeing various G-Sync-related problems on Nvidia forums, especially among users with multiple monitors.

Until G-Sync came along, I admit I didn't see the need to update a monitor's firmware so often.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Win 11 Pro 23H2
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    13700K
    Motherboard
    MAG Z790 TOMAHAWK WIFI (7D91vHH - 0x12F)
    Memory
    32GB DDR5 Kingston Fury Renegade @6400
    Graphics Card(s)
    MSI GeForce RTX 4070 Ti Gaming X Slim White 12G
    Sound Card
    Creative Sound Blaster Z SE
    Monitor(s) Displays
    ASUS VA24DQ
    Hard Drives
    WD Black SN850X 2TB (main)
    SAMSUNG SSD 990 Pro 2TB
    WD Blue 1TB 7200rpm
    PSU
    Corsair RM1000x SHIFT
    Case
    DeepCool CH560 WH
    Cooling
    Noctua NH-D15S
    Keyboard
    Ducky One 3 Pro Nazca Line
    Mouse
    Logitech G403 HERO
win11raider said:
At this point, my only suggestion is to check if your monitor has any firmware updates that might fix the G-Sync issues. For months, I've been seeing various G-Sync-related problems on Nvidia forums, especially among users with multiple monitors.

Until G-Sync came along, I admit I didn't see the need to update a monitor's firmware so often.
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There's an update for my monitor (although it seems minor, from 1664 to 1664.4) and I haven't been able to update it either online or via USB, so I understand that it's not for my region yet and it can't be a very important update.
 

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  • OS
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