Does anyone know, why MS decided to rewrite the taskbar in Win11?

White22 · Oct 11, 2023

So soon he writes the tutorial, thanks for the understandable writing and the video. Taking advantage of your likes.
@Dru2
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Wynona · Oct 11, 2023

Dru2 said:
Actually, I just did it... but you have to do it from "All apps"

And BTW, you CAN also pin any icon in the Start Menu to the taskbar by right clicking it, clicking "More" and clicking "Pin to taskbar". Been doing that for a while as well.

Yes, I've also been pinning with the "more" option. But I was adhering to the drag and drop option.

Dru2 · Oct 11, 2023

Wynona said:
Yes, I've also been pinning with the "more" option. But I was adhering to the drag and drop option.

I'm sorry, but did my video not show drag and drop???

I clearly dragged from the Start menu to the Taskbar. Or perhaps there's a different definition of drag and drop?

Anixx · Oct 11, 2023

Dru2 said:
If it's so easy (synonymous with "not at all a difficult task") how come you've not done it for them instead of complaining here?

At the very least you could have written your own program to show how easy it is.

I was asking about the motivation of Microsoft, not advice on software development.
Plenty of third-party taskbar replacements are available. And with each Windows release more and more parts of Windows need third-party replacements, as a must, because the MS software becomes not usable.

Ghot · Oct 11, 2023

@Anixx

Microsoft's motivation....

One Taskbar to rule them all
One Taskbar to find them
One Taskbar to bring them all
And in the darkness, bind them.

In Redmond, Washington
Where the shadows lie.

Dru2 · Oct 11, 2023

Anixx said:
Plenty of third-party taskbar replacements are available. And with each Windows release more and more parts of Windows need third-party replacements, as a must, because the MS software becomes not usable.

I can't say as don't use third-party taskbar replacements since I haven't found a need for them.

Anixx said:
I was asking about the motivation of Microsoft, not advice on software development.

And I was struck by the factuality of your tone that I thought you had personal experience in how easy it is to write the code...

Anixx said:
It should be noted that re-writing the taskbar or writing it from scratch is not at all a difficult task, ....

Anixx · Oct 11, 2023

Dru2 said:
And I was struck by the factuality of your tone that I thought you had personal experience in how easy it is to write the code...

Basic taskbar can be created even in VB6.

Wynona · Oct 11, 2023

Dru2 said:
I'm sorry, but did my video not show drag and drop???

I clearly dragged from the Start menu to the Taskbar. Or perhaps there's a different definition of drag and drop?

I think we may have miscommunicated there . . . Drag and drop is drag and drop.

To me, the Start Menu is the box of apps that shows up when you click the start button. I cannot drag and drop from that box.

I can, like you did, drag and drop from the All Apps Menu.

Dru2 · Oct 11, 2023

Wynona said:
I think we may have miscommunicated there . . . Drag and drop is drag and drop.

To me, the Start Menu is the box of apps that shows up when you click the start button. I cannot drag and drop from that box.

I can, like you did, drag and drop from the All Apps Menu.

Yeah, this is where we differ on the start Menu as I see it as a whole with two pages - page 1 is where your most popular apps are pinned. Page 2 is where ALL your installed apps shortcuts and folders are. It is page 2 where you can drag and drop.

Semantics, but page 2 is STILL part of the Start menu. While you can't drag and drop from page 1, you can drag and drop from page 2. So yes, you CAN drag and drop from the Start menu.

That's the way I see it, so... but I get your point

Wynona · Oct 11, 2023

Dru2 said:
Yeah, this is where we differ on the start Menu as I see it as a whole with two pages - page 1 is where your most popular apps are pinned. Page 2 is where ALL your installed apps shortcuts and folders are. It is page 2 where you can drag and drop.

Semantics, but page 2 is STILL part of the Start menu. While you can't drag and drop from page 1, you can drag and drop from page 2. So yes, you CAN drag and drop from the Start menu.

That's the way I see it, so... but I get your point

The All Apps page has pretty much always been there, but not that monstrosity claiming it's a Start Menu.

The big box of apps aren't my favorites . . . they were placed there by Microsoft, not me!

Dru2 · Oct 11, 2023

Wynona said:
The All Apps page has pretty much always been there, but not that monstrosity claiming it's a Start Menu.

At the end of the day it's clear you just flat out refuse to acknowledge a fact, even in the face of video evidence.

Sounds like 2020 to me

Movin on

hdmi · Oct 12, 2023

Wynona · Oct 12, 2023

Dru2 said:
At the end of the day it's clear you just flat out refuse to acknowledge a fact, even in the face of video evidence.

Sounds like 2020 to me

Movin on

Not really. I am in agreement with what you've stated; All Apps lets me drag and drop.

I just don't like what Microsoft has done with it. Kinda like what they did with the Windows 8 version. A whole lot of messing around with a bunch of unnecessary icons when the All Apps portion is sufficient.

hdmi · Oct 13, 2023

Dru2 said:
Yeah, this is where we differ on the start Menu as I see it as a whole with two pages - page 1 is where your most popular apps are pinned. Page 2 is where ALL your installed apps shortcuts and folders are. It is page 2 where you can drag and drop.

Semantics, but page 2 is STILL part of the Start menu. While you can't drag and drop from page 1, you can drag and drop from page 2. So yes, you CAN drag and drop from the Start menu.

That's the way I see it, so... but I get your point

Unlike Tyler Durden, the Narrator can't destroy the credit card companies. But Tyler Durden and the Narrator are still part of the same person, so...

jimbo45 · Oct 13, 2023

Hi there
Don't they teach ANY principles of computer software design these days.

Surely if you separate the screen handler from the basic task dispatcher you can then just build the screen up of individual components in a MVC (Model View Controller) type of process and then it's simple -- and what's more should be easy to use any language you like -- just create for the screen elements a label area as a data element in a data dictionary and depending on the language selected the relevant text just fills the data area fills the label area .

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This way you don't have to build things like file explorer into an integaral part of the OS and would be more efficient too since you get the data elements via the input request, and then send them to the screen instead of a longish convoluted process.

Things like S.A.P GUI screens work on this principle. I.e separate the application task from the UI / screen.

Cheers
jimbo