For the adventurous - Fedora Rel 44 available

Hi folks

For those adventurous you can try out Fedora rel 44 -- it's pre-release (rel 43 has only just been released as current stable release) and is pre-alpha so AYOR !! - There isn't (as yet) an available iso so you have to upgrade from an existing rel of fedora via 1) dnf upgrade --refresh, 2) reboot, 3) sudo dnf system-upgrade download --releasever=44
4)sudo dnf5 offline reboot (use dnf5 on this command not just plain dnf)

So far no probs with it -- you can obviously try as a VM first .

Stuff I'm running all seems so far to work (running on a HOST test machine) -- still runs Windows VM's OK etc.



Kernel now updated to 6.18.x.x (03 Oct)

Cheers
jimbo

Looking good. And fresh!
Fedora 43 is still in Beta...
The 44 at the moment is indeed for the adventurous.
Gnome or KDE no worries.
I'm patiently waiting for the XFCE transition to Wayland.

Hopachi said:

Looking good. And fresh!
Fedora 43 is still in Beta...
The 44 at the moment is indeed for the adventurous.
Gnome or KDE no worries.
I'm patiently waiting for the XFCE transition to Wayland.

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Why I like Fedora it's backed by Red Hat (now owned by IBM) - both companies have full support for development - their software records are also pretty good and they've avoided a lot of the shenanigans that companies like canonical (ubuntu distro) have got into.

For 100% stability of course you can run Debian or to "roll your own" Arch Linux is good too -- but for running latest apps etc I have switched to Fedora -- I haven't broken rel 44 yet !!!.

Fedora has "spins" e.g GNOME/KDE/XFCE etc for people who want a Linux with a GUI already installed and working but I'd recommend getting the server version and then adding these desktops afterwards as you can then avoid installing a load of apps you never use.

Latest Windows Canary build as a VM runs pretty good on it too.Don't bother with VMWare or Vbox if using a Linux host - run KVM/QEMU -- it's very good these days (as is HYPER-V on a Windows host) and very flexible.

Cheers

jimbo

It is no wonder Linux is still an also ran by and large. There are just too many versions all with different guis etc.

Calling an OS Linux is like calling a continent a country.

cereberus said:

It is no wonder Linux is still an also ran by and large. There are just too many versions all with different guis etc.

Calling an OS Linux is like calling a continent a country.

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As you lot often say "Horses for Courses" !!!!!

As for a Country -- what is the definition -- I don't think under U.N definitions England can be defined as a Country as it doesn't have it's own legislature, head of state, national anthem etc -- Westminster is a UK institution, UK is registered at the UN as a Country not England, King Charles is head of state of the UK etc. Scotland and Wales are slightly different in that both have national legislative assemblies, national anthems etc - and Wales does have its own head of state (Prince of Wales). !!!
However I doubt if anybody going through Yorkshire would not say that England isn't a country !!!!!!

As for Linux GUI's -- the main OS is actually the kernel which is pretty standardized with various GUI's being added on afterwards -- maybe Windows could take a leaf out of its book and make user changes to GUI a lot easier to do.

Linux is still hugely used in corporate environments for servers, cloud environments etc and is embedded also into loads of "stand alone" IOT type devices such as Hotel room key card machines / readers. badge readers, security camera operations, real time travel operations, public transport credit /travel card readers etc etc.


Cheers
jimbo

jimbo45 said:

As for Linux GUI's -- the main OS is actually the kernel which is pretty standardized with various GUI's being added on afterwards -- maybe Windows could take a leaf out of its book and make user changes to GUI a lot easier to do.

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Is that a call for Microsoft to return to DOS days with a Windows GUI? Perhaps they should could consider bringing back Windows 3.11 Like retro fashion, "what comes around goes around".

As far as I can see most of the more commonly used Linux Desktops are surprisingly similar to either one recent Windows version or another (with several offering the ability to directly emulate a specific Windows or macOS version), including GNOME which looks (to me) like a poor clone of the equally poorly implemented Windows 8.0 interface. My own preference when using Linux is standard KDE, which is not all that different to using recent Windows or macOS versions without any need for major customisations.

I sometimes (often) wonder if all the Linux distro-hopping and customisation options that many tout as positive user choice isn't just an excuse for simply being able to continually mess about with the technology instead of using computers as tools to get something useful done. Could it be that most Linux Desktop Users are simply pursuing the hobby of endlessly tinkering; and that that is the real argument for 'user choice'?

Reducing choice and limiting the customisation options may well be why Microsoft and Apple became and continue to be towards the top of the most successful Tech-based corporations; and it's clear that some of the leading corporations behind Linux commercial business development (Canonical, RHEL, etc.) are increasingly pursuing the same tactics.

LeLibran said:

Is that a call for Microsoft to return to DOS days with a Windows GUI? Perhaps they should could consider bringing back Windows 3.11 Like retro fashion, "what comes around goes around".

As far as I can see most of the more commonly used Linux Desktops are surprisingly similar to either one recent Windows version or another (with several offering the ability to directly emulate a specific Windows or macOS version), including GNOME which looks (to me) like a poor clone of the equally poorly implemented Windows 8.0 interface. My own preference when using Linux is standard KDE, which is not all that different to using recent Windows or macOS versions without any need for major customisations.

I sometimes (often) wonder if all the Linux distro-hopping and customisation options that many tout as positive user choice isn't just an excuse for simply being able to continually mess about with the technology instead of using computers as tools to get something useful done. Could it be that most Linux Desktop Users are simply pursuing the hobby of endlessly tinkering; and that that is the real argument for 'user choice'?

Reducing choice and limiting the customisation options may well be why Microsoft and Apple became and continue to be towards the top of the most successful Tech-based corporations; and it's clear that some of the leading corporations behind Linux commercial business development (Canonical, RHEL, etc.) are increasingly pursuing the same tactics.

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Some people DO like what used to be called "Turnkey" (although perhaps "Turkey would be more appropriate) solutions but not everybodyl -- and it's often tinkerers and hobbyists who get advancements done in the best way.

One particular failing I've found with a huge amount of modern web designers is the lack of decent navigation - i.e via a decent back / forward button or a restart etc.

Another is the obvious sheer poor app design -- a Classic is the M&S (not a bad store itself in the UK) banking application -- when you try and change some details e.g password etc - always recommended to do that regularly if you use any online banking . credit cards etc and they ask you to load your date of birth as part of the security checks on the phone app it comes up with the default current date but you can't enter dd/mm/yyyy or whatever but have to navigate back 1 year at a time -- good luck to those over about 25 - it will take you a LONG TIME if you haven't given up long before then-- (the actual Computer browser logon is fine !!!).

I complained about that 18 months ago -- still NOTHING DONE !!!!. Maybe nobody over about 19 years old uses M&S bank on their phones.

99% of my regular work I either do on Linux and for the rest I use a Windows VM for Ms Office LTSC 2024 (still a great application), Adobe photoshop CS6 with adobe DNG converter for RAW files on newer cameras, , Adobe lightroom (last non subscription version), a DVD ripper (slyfox), and dBpowerAmp for ripping any older CD's I still have.

Cheers
jimbo

I am on Kali Linux and am itching to make a switch to another distro.

How highly do you rate Fedora? Do you consider it better than the others?

pewa said:

I am on Kali Linux and am itching to make a switch to another distro.

How highly do you rate Fedora? Do you consider it better than the others?

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Seems to be well maintained, stable etc -- and as it's supported by Redhat (now owned by IBM) - huge decent companies with loads of decent software and a big base of commercial users so not dependent on a few hobbyists giving up their spare time for maintenance.

Try it first as a VM on say HYPER-V. You can also choose various "Spins" such as KDE / Mint etc -- good way to start - although I prefer to install the basic server which has very little bloat and add packages myself.

Just try it and see.

Note also when using as a HOST and you install Windows as a VM under KVM/QEMU download the "virtio" iso and install on the Windows GUEST -- this acts like vmware tools or vbox additions on those packages. That way - better audio, mouse control, full screen resolutions, ability to use virtio for disks and network cards - far superior performance/ Use Emulated TPM for TPM rather than pass thru, though and add yourself to kvm group so you can manipulate VM's as a normal rather than as a sudo / su user.

Cheers
jimbo

This is how Kali looks like. Anyway it’s time for me to move on. Mint, Ubuntu or Fedora.

Ok, I am going for Ubuntu 24.0.4.3 LTS for now.

As for Fedora, another time another day.

Have a good day!

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jimbo45 said:

Why I like Fedora it's backed by Red Hat (now owned by IBM) - both companies have full support for development - their software records are also pretty good and they've avoided a lot of the shenanigans that companies like canonical (ubuntu distro) have got into.

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I'm a Linux dude, and have tried Fedora many times..

But everytime I install it, first 1 hour is spent, trying to make it look/feel like Ubuntu.

Then, the woeful, almost non existent support of native nVidia GPU drivers, in secure boot mode, had me reaching for my Ubuntu installation USB.

I also found previously, on Fedora, VirtualBox failed to run Win11 VMs smoothly.

The final straw for me usually is, real world work stuff, like trying to install Oracle RDBMS, using RHEL 9.x guides fail miserably.
Due to Fedora being, what RHEL "will be sometime in the future", so many installation guides that work on RHEL now, don't work on Fedora now, so much for Fedora being RHEL.

So I have a hefty RHEL 9.x box, for Linux server stuff, like Docker, RDBMS, Splunk, because that's what they use at work, and a Ubuntu box, for daily driving.

Silvio said:

I'm a Linux dude, and have tried Fedora many times..

But everytime I install it, first 1 hour is spent, trying to make it look/feel like Ubuntu.

Then, the woeful, almost non existent support of native nVidia GPU drivers, in secure boot mode, had me reaching for my Ubuntu installation USB.

I also found previously, on Fedora, VirtualBox failed to run Win11 VMs smoothly.

The final straw for me usually is, real world work stuff, like trying to install Oracle RDBMS, using RHEL 9.x guides fail miserably.
Due to Fedora being, what RHEL "will be sometime in the future", so many installation guides that work on RHEL now, don't work on Fedora now, so much for Fedora being RHEL.

So I have a hefty RHEL 9.x box, for Linux server stuff, like Docker, RDBMS, Splunk, because that's what they use at work, and a Ubuntu box, for daily driving.

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If you want UBUNTU why try and make another distro look like it !! -- use the real thing.

I've zero problems with Fedora -- or most distros for that matter -- I avoid Ubuntu because I HATE Canonical with a passion, and ArchLinux while brilliant you need to work at it to ensure it functions OK --nothing wrong with that but I just at my age can't be bothered spending hours on getting basic things to work by compiling from source etc -- and Debian while 100% stable -- is just too behind for using great leading edge modern hardware.

Note though most of the Redhat RHEL server stuff doesn't come immediately from Fedora -- I think RHEL made an error by scrapping the hugely popular public domain server CENTOS system but I suppose it was so stable that they weren't making enough money out of it on corporate maintenance fees.

RHEL Centos 7 was the last good Centos system before the change.

Fedora suits me fine now -- it JUST WORKS usually straight OOTB and there's always a good development team behind it.

Anyway as this is a Windows Forum so I'd suggest unless "Virtualising" Linux distros on a Windows Host (or virtualising Windows on a Linux host) it's better to have these types of discussions on 'Nix forums.

Cheers
jimbo

jimbo45 said:

I think RHEL made an error by scrapping the hugely popular public domain server CENTOS system but I suppose it was so stable that they weren't making enough money out of it on corporate maintenance fees.

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Hahhah, it became too good, for no cost, so ofc they had to scrap it, so they can sell features elsewhere.

jimbo45 said:

Anyway as this is a Windows Forum so I'd suggest unless "Virtualising" Linux distros on a Windows Host (or virtualising Windows on a Linux host) it's better to have these types of discussions on 'Nix forums.

Cheers
jimbo

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As mentioned previously, perfect solution for me is, RHEL9 headless server, Ubuntu Workstation, Right next to Win 11 Workstation.
All on dedicated network, so ssh "heaven".

Ubuntu is enough... Beta's suck