Help Me decide on a CPU Cooler?

JAM83 · Sep 4, 2023

Ghot said:
Well... thermostat is by the BLUE dot.
A/C is set to 66F, and is right near the computer.
But temp outside right now, is 73F.

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Blow North wind, blow.

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What widget is that?

Ghot · Sep 4, 2023

JAM83 said:
What widget is that?

AIDA64 Extreme

Options for the OSD. You can change the font and text size too.
You can also monitor computer things on your smart phone.

JAM83 · Sep 4, 2023

Ghot said:
AIDA64 Extreme

Options for the OSD. You can change the font and text size too.
You can also monitor computer things on your smart phone.

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might have to try that, as long as I can use Fahrenheit. .lol

Ghot · Sep 4, 2023

JAM83 said:
might have to try that, as long as I can use Fahrenheit. .lol

Like I said before... no one uses Fahrenheit for computer temps.
For weather, water, meat thermometers, thermostats, etc., sure, but for computer temps... no way.

JAM83 · Sep 4, 2023

Ghot said:
Like I said before... no one uses Fahrenheit for computer temps.
For weather, water, meat thermometers, thermostats, etc., sure, but for computer temps... no way.

lmao I do though. . LOL

Ghot · Sep 4, 2023

JAM83 said:
lmao I do though. . LOL

Well, you'll learn.

JAM83 · Sep 4, 2023

Ghot said:
Well, you'll learn.

I doubt it bud. My brain won't let me. (ADHD, and other brain issues)

Ghot · Sep 4, 2023

JAM83 said:
I doubt it bud. My brain won't let me. (ADHD, and other brain issues)

Well what do you expect... usin' Fahrenheit for computer temps... sheesh.
That will easily... destroy an otherwise useful brain.

JAM83 · Sep 4, 2023

Ghot said:
Well what do you expect... usin' Fahrenheit for computer temps... sheesh.

I just don't see the big deal, to be truthful. Some read temps easier than others, some (me), don't know how, don't have the patience to learn how due to learning disabilities, and some (me), was never taught how. . . :) I don't wanna get on the subject again, of course, but Fahrenheit is easier for me :)

Ghot · Sep 4, 2023

JAM83 said:
I just don't see the big deal, to be truthful. Some read temps easier than others, some (me), don't know how, don't have the patience to learn how due to learning disabilities, and some (me), was never taught how. . . :) I don't wanna get on the subject again, of course, but Fahrenheit is easier for me :)

They're both just as easy. All the monitoring software is in C.
You need to work harder to translate it to F.

You don't have to "think" in C. You just need to remember a few things.

Pretty much all chips "melt" at 100-120C.
All chips "like" to be below 80C. That's it. And that's why we use C for computer temps.

Here, watch....

I Googled this... AMD Ryzen 1800X - cpu world

Electrical / Thermal parameters
Maximum operating temperature ?	95°C

It doesn't matter "how" hot 95C is... all that matters is that if you go over that number... your wallet is gonna lose weight. ^^

I Googled: cpu cooler comparison chart

...and found this...

Cpu coolers comparisons - pics

Now if we're talking about weather... I like F too.
90F sounds hot. 32C doesn't sound hot, but it's the same temp.
When I'm figuring out what to wear in the morning.... at it's 90 outside, I know to wear shorts and a light shirt.
If someone said it's 32 outside... I'd be digging out a coat, warm clothes and gloves.

Now when we're talking computers.... EVERYONE in the world, uses Celsius.
Everyone knows that good idle temps are 30 or lower and good load temps are 75 or lower.
They also know that 100 is damage to your wallet.

JAM83 · Sep 4, 2023

Ghot said:
They're both just as easy. All the monitoring software is in C.
You need to work harder to translate it to F.

You don't have to "think" in C. You just need to remember a few things.

Pretty much all chips "melt" at 100-120C.
All chips "like" to be below 80C. That's it. And that's why we use C for computer temps.

Here, watch....

I Googled this... AMD Ryzen 1800X - cpu world

Electrical / Thermal parameters
Maximum operating temperature ? 95°C

It doesn't matter "how" hot 95C is... all that matters is that if you go over that number... your wallet is gonna lose weight. ^^

I Googled: cpu cooler comparison chart

...and found this...

Cpu coolers comparisons - pics

Now if we're talking about weather... I like F too.
90F sounds hot. 32C doesn't sound hot, but it's the same temp.
When I'm figuring out what to wear in the morning.... at it's 90 outside, I know to wear shorts and a light shirt.
If someone said it's 32 outside... I'd be digging out a coat, warm clothes and gloves.

Now when we're talking computers.... EVERYONE in the world, uses Celsius.
Everyone knows that good idle temps are 30 or lower and good load temps are 75 or lower.
They also know that 100 is damage to your wallet.

Weather Temps and CPU Temps. . . 90F outside is the same temperature as 90F on your CPU tho. . lol 90F is 90F. . lol

JAM83 · Sep 4, 2023

Ghot said:
If someone said it's 32 outside... I'd be digging out a coat, warm clothes and gloves.

Hot or cold outside, i'm still in shorts, short sleeve shirt, and sandals. . lol I don't wear pants, unless i'm going on a date, wedding, funeral or church. . That's pretty much the only times I wear long pants. February of 2022, it got in the Negatives. . My butt was still in shorts.. LOL Pants are so uncomfy

hdmi · Sep 4, 2023

Ghot said:
PWM fans... problem solved.

Everyone already uses those. They still don't make the blatant design flaw of the Define 7 magically go away. Sure, you could always decide to imagine that it does, BUT... it quite simply does not. lol The test results don't lie. The fact that the dust filter on it causes the CPU temperature under load to be more than 5 degrees higher compared to removing the filter is not the reviewer's fault by any stretch. The Meshify 2 already proves that Fractal Design are very much capable enough to make a case with dust filters that doesn't have this problem so, I don't know what you must be getting at here.

Ghot said:
That Define 7 case will take 3x 140mm fans up top. 140mm fans are quiet, at the same cfm as 120mm fans.

Everyone already knows that. Still no excuse for having a dust filter on the front side that holds back the airflow so severely that it causes what could've been a great case that coul've been suitable for an air cooled, above average gaming rig to perform so poorly compared to other cases such as the Meshify 2. To those who still hadn't noticed the fact, the Meshify 2 is from the same brand as the Define 7...

Ghot said:
FrozenCPU - fans <---- closed Apr 2023... but it's still a good reference site for fans.

SATA power - 10 fan splitter block

SATA power - 7 fan PWM splitter block

The case fans that I recommend to put in the front and top of the case are the Noctua NF-A14 PWM fans. The Noctua NF-A14 industrialPPC-3000 PWM fans also are good, but are a less suitable choice if reducing the fan noise is very high on your list of priorities, and, there's the price difference to maybe want to consider also in addition to that.

Ghot · Sep 4, 2023

hdmi said:
The fact that the dust filter on it causes the CPU temperature under load to be more than 5 degrees higher

Ah... so the case is OK, but the dust filter is too dense. That's a bit different.

Scramjet · Sep 4, 2023

I have the Noctua NH-D15 SSO2 D-Type Premium CPU Cooler, NF-A15 x 2 PWM Fans
in the Phanteks Enthoo Pro Series PH-ES614P_BK
My CPU Cooler works very well.

hdmi · Sep 5, 2023

Ghot said:
Ah... so the case is OK, but the dust filter is too dense. That's a bit different.

I'd say the case is way more than OK, but the door is semi-useless (and is completely useless for most usage scenarios IMO) and the dust filter is catastrophic failure compared to that of the Meshify 2 or similar type filter.

Ghot · Sep 5, 2023

hdmi said:
I'd say the case is way more than OK, but the door is semi-useless (and is completely useless for most usage scenarios IMO) and the dust filter is catastrophic failure compared to that of the Meshify 2 or similar type filter.

Yeah, I don't worry about the dust filters that come with a computer, cause I know where ALL the dust filters live...

Dust Filter Heaven

Dru2 · Sep 6, 2023

JAM83 said:
I just don't see the big deal, to be truthful. Some read temps easier than others, some (me), don't know how, don't have the patience to learn how due to learning disabilities, and some (me), was never taught how. . . :) I don't wanna get on the subject again, of course, but Fahrenheit is easier for me :)

JAM83 said:
might have to try that, as long as I can use Fahrenheit. .lol

Honestly, I don't see the big deal either. Anyway, you can change the setting to display Fahrenheit instead of Celsius....

Pretty much any temp reading program has that feature.

JAM83 · Sep 6, 2023

Dru2 said:
Honestly, I don't see the big deal either. Anyway, you can change the setting to display Fahrenheit instead of Celsius....

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Pretty much any temp reading program has that feature.

Except AMD Adrenaline Software. . lol

Dru2 · Sep 6, 2023

JAM83 said:
Except AMD Adrenaline Software. . lol

What's preventing you from using another app if it's such annoyance? Or you can simply download a converter app. Many on the net.

The fact is most of the world uses Celsius. Period. And last I checked many members here are from around the world so.... :zip: