Install to old pc without uefi and tpm. Is this possible?

Wow, what a convoluted bunch of "yada, yada, yada", (and five pages) to do something that is just SO simple.

40 years ago, I saw people doing things by the most difficult route possible, and I decided right then and there, to always do things by the K.I.S.S. method. (Keep It Simple Stupid!"
An old German once said, "we get too soon oldt, und too late schmart".
I've tried to always get smarter as I've gotten older.

I thank whoever it was that first posted to use the latest version of Rufus to condition an ISO whilst it was burning it to a Flash Drive. I've used Rufus, in earlier versions, for years to burn ISO's of various OS's to Flash Drives. But the first time I used the "new" Rufus to burn Win-11 to a Flash Drive, I was actually alarmed, when Rufus opened up a little window I'd never seen before, and asked me if I wanted it to remove the compatibility demands, and then asked me what Name I wanted to use on the new install. WOW, I was blown away. So I filled in all the blanks and checked all the boxes and Rufus closed that little window and went on with the burning process, just like I'd seen it do, many times before.

Sure enough, when I booted up my PC, with the Flash Drive, the install went off without a hitch, and at the appropriate place, there was my Name in Win-11. How cute!

I'm running that Win-11 right now, and after some tweaks, and tips being applied, I'm loving it!

NO upgraded OS's for this old tech. I always do CLEAN Installs, so I'm sure to get rid of any Boogered up files from the old OS. And it's always a good time to filter out those files that I really don't want or need to keep. Happiness can be a nice, clean, install of an OS, and the programs, and data files, that one really needs.
Plus, when I'm installing the programs that I like, it's a good time to download the very latest versions of those programs, without combining old code with new code. Everything is new, fresh and working perfectly. Even my Epson printer drivers are downloaded afresh, and up to date for Win-11.

I sincerely hope that the OP, and anyone else contemplating an upgrade to Win-11, will just K.I.S.S.

Merry Christmas, Mates!
TM

TechnoMage2021 said:

Wow, what a convoluted bunch of "yada, yada, yada", (and five pages) to do something that is just SO simple.

40 years ago, I saw people doing things by the most difficult route possible, and I decided right then an there, to always do things by the K.I.S.S. method. (Keep It Simple Stupid!"

I thank whoever it was that first posted to use the latest version of Rufus to condition an ISO whilst it was burning it to a Flash Drive. I've used Rufus, in earlier versions, for years to burn ISO's of various OS's to Flash Drives. But the first time I used the new Rufus to burn Win-11 to a Flash Drive, I was actually alarmed, when Rufus opened up a little window I'd never seen before, and asked me if I wanted it to remove the compatibility demands and then asked me what Name I wanted to use on the new install. WOW, I was blown away. So I filled in all the blanks and checked all the boxes and Rufus closed that little window and went on with the burning process, just like I'd seen it done before.

Sure enough, when I booted up my PC, with the Flash Drive, the install went off without a hitch, and at the appropriate place, there was my Name in Win-11. How cute!

I'm running that Win-11 right now, and after some tweaks, and tips being applied, I'm loving it!

NO upgraded OS's for this old tech. I always do CLEAN Installs, so I'm sure to get rid of any Boogered up files from the old OS. And it's always a good time to filter out those files that I really don't want or need to keep. Happiness can be a nice, clean, install of an OS, and the programs, and data files, that one really needs.
Plus, when I'm installing the programs that I like, it's a good time to download the very latest versions of those files, without combining old code with new code. Everything is new, fresh and working perfectly. Even my Epson printer drivers are downloaded afresh, and up to date for Win-11.

I sincerely hope that the OP, and anyone else contemplating an upgrade to Win-11, will just K.I.S.S.

Merry Christmas, Mates!
TM

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Good stuff

BUT :: sometimes you need old applications you've had possibly even since XP days on a PC. It;s not always possible if you do a clean W11 install to install again from scratch some of those older apps you might want -- even if you haven't lost the serial numbers or the myriad of updates.

In principle you are right but for many a totally clean install won't work though - especially if running a load of legacy software and hardware. (VMs help with that of course but not everybody is equipped to manage those).

Cheers
jimbo

TechnoMage2021 said:

40 years ago, I saw people doing things by the most difficult route possible, and I decided right then and there, to always do things by the K.I.S.S. method. (Keep It Simple Stupid!"

Merry Christmas, Mates!
TM

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K.I.S.S. means different things to different people. I can do most things with a few simple command line commands in less time then it takes another user to download, install, and run a third party program to do the same thing.

No need to repeat it again, clean installation is better for a computer with less than 10 applications installed and few GB of data to backup. For anything else it is a nightmare I would rather avoid. For an average computer with tens of applications and hundreds of GB to backup, no thanks. I am willing to do a little more effort and upgrade than lose hours of my very limited free time to take a backup and do a clean installation. Not all cases are the same. In Greek we say "don't make assumptions for others based on yourself".

Right Jimbo, but, again, I like to Keep it Simple, and it sounds like you're trying to make it complicated.
The older programs that I like (32 bit) all run fine in Win-11.
I keep them on my Utilities Flash Drive, (used to be on a DVD). For the few that require a Lic. key, I keep that too on the same Flash Drive, so it's easy to get to and implement, during the programs install.
Even the really OLD Solitaire, (Sol.exe) runs fine in Win-11, when I put Sol.exe and Cards.dll in the same folder. It's basically the same game I've been playing since DOS days.
I do understand your concerns, but in my case, those concerns are completely unwarranted.

And, as I sit here running Win-11/Pro/64, it's not my first rodeo. This is actually my fifth install of Win-11. I have it running happily in four other locations. With each install I learn a little more about how to make it faster, smoother, and more user friendly.
I love Shawn's tutorial on how to restore the Long version of the Rt Click Context menu.
And, I got rid of that weird blue thingy, on the desktop, in favor of a nice Winter Wonderland Theme.

Living here in the land of sunshine and Bikinis, I'll never see snow, but I can see it on my PC Desktop.
It brings up fond memories of growing up in Iowa, with snow drifts that could cover up a building.

Merry Christmas, Mates!
TM

TechnoMage2021 said:

Living here in the land of sunshine and Bikinis, I'll never see snow, but I can see it on my PC Desktop.
It brings up fond memories of growing up in Iowa.

Merry Christmas, Mates!
TM

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Snow is best appreciated from a distance, be that measured in length or time. I certainly didn't appreciate my 'up close and personal' encounter this last week or so. It's all melted now, and unlikely to return any time soon.

Merry Christmas to you too.

I can rest assured, that I won't be dealing with any snow drifts here in the Sunshine state.
And, I won't have any problems installing any OS, now or in the future. It's all a matter of approach and application.

My approach is that I'm still the BOSS around here, and my application is that I will use whatever technology is available to me. To do less, would be self defeating.

Merry Christmas, Mates,
TM

PS: Just for grinns....Here's my new Win-11 Desktop, minus the program icons, lest they get lost in the snow.

TechnoMage2021 said:

Right Jimbo, but, again, I like to Keep it Simple, and it sounds like you're trying to make it complicated.
The older programs that I like (32 bit) all run fine in Win-11.
I keep them on my Utilities Flash Drive, (used to be on a DVD). For the few that require a Lic. key, I keep that too on the same Flash Drive, so it's easy to get to and implement, during the programs install.
Even the really OLD Solitaire, (Sol.exe) runs fine in Win-11, when I put Sol.exe and Cards.dll in the same folder. It's basically the same game I've been playing since DOS days.
I do understand your concerns, but in my case, those concerns are completely unwarranted.

And, as I sit here running Win-11/Pro/64, it's not my first rodeo. This is actually my fifth install of Win-11. I have it running happily in four other locations. With each install I learn a little more about how to make it faster, smoother, and more user friendly.
I love Shawn's tutorial on how to restore the Long version of the Rt Click Context menu.
And, I got rid of that weird blue thingy, on the desktop, in favor of a nice Winter Wonderland Theme.

Living here in the land of sunshine and Bikinis, I'll never see snow, but I can see it on my PC Desktop.
It brings up fond memories of growing up in Iowa, with snow drifts that could cover up a building.

Merry Christmas, Mates!
TM

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First of all you are of topic.
Second of all you must read topic and then answer you simply do only the 2nd thing.

TechnoMage2021 said:

I can rest assured, that I won't be dealing with any snow drifts here in the Sunshine state.
And, I won't have any problems installing any OS, now or in the future. It's all a matter of approach and application.

My approach is that I'm still the BOSS around here, and my application is that I will use whatever technology is available to me. To do less, would be self defeating.

Merry Christmas, Mates,
TM

PS: Just for grinns....Here's my new Win-11 Desktop, minus the program icons, lest they get lost in the snow.
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Again of topic.

A poster stated "older pcs are legacy bios only" but did not define how old - that is only really true for very old pcs e.g. at least 10 years old. UEFI came out in 2002.

I cannot remember last time I saw a legacy bios only device.

Also, I cannot for the life of me see why people would deliberately choose to install legacy bios if they can install uefi (safer, more flexible - particularly more than 4 primary partitions etc.).

Well, my one PC that had UEFI/Legacy Dual Bios, just died! RIP!
So now I'm stuck with using an older HP Slimline Desktop with only the Legacy Bios. But hey, it runs OK, and with two SSD's in it, I can have by old 8.1 and my new Win-11, selectable at boot up. It's an imperfect world we live in. Eh?

My Main PC dies on Friday the 13th. Suppose fate is trying to tell me something?

The best part of the whole experience, was when I took my SSD out of the dead tower and put it in the little HP and booted it up, , ,
8.1 went through a mini install and settled right in, and in just a few brief minutes it was acting just like it had been there its whole life.
Sometimes we have to take a little step backwards, but life does go on.
That install of 8.1 had not had a real Deep Cleaning since it was first installed in June '22. So I ran my new Cleanup batch file (modified for Win-8.1 paths) and WOWSERS! it found and deleted 753,365 garbage files. That's more than just a basket full.....that's a Dump Truck full!
If each one of those files was a brick, I could build myself a brick house!

On a positive side, the little HP was designed with a little HD drawer that just pulls right out. It will hold just ONE 3.5" hard drive, but, with the little 2.5" SSD's being so thin, I can squeeze two of them in there, With their little mounting adaptors. One SSD for Windows 8.1 and one SSD for Windows 11. WOW! Dual boot, well, pretty much.
Cheers Mates!
TM

Why install Legacy BIOS instead of UEFI?
1) To avoid the small system partitions taking valuable disk space on small SSD or MMC. You can even use a workaround to get a single NTFS partition, no system partition at all.
2) You notice absolutely no difference in performance over UEFI
3) Not everyone uses more than one primary partition or even cares about this option.
4) Extra security of UEFI is debatable and unneeded for the average user.
5) I cannot think of another reason.

spapakons said:

Why install Legacy BIOS instead of UEFI?
1) To avoid the small system partitions taking valuable disk space on small SDD or MMC. You can even use a workaround to get a single NTFS partition, no system partition at all.
2) You notice absolutely no difference in performance over UEFI
3) Not everyone uses more than one primary partition or even cares about this option.
4) Extra security of UEFI is debatable and unneeded for the average user.
5) I cannot think of another reason.

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1. That is an exaggeration about partitions taking space. Files are either in separate partitions or in folders on C drive. It would have to be a tiny ssd to have any real impact. Maybe marginal on 32gb mmc.

2. Most pcs use 3 primary partitions even in legacy bios, only leaving one for data. If you want to dual boot, 4 is limiting options (unless you use vhds). You can go through hoops and loops with legacy bios to get to one partition of course,,but why bother

3) Hardly debatable - secure boot is more secure for sure as it prevents a lot of malware getting installed. Any protection is better than none.

4) Greatest reason - newer generation pcs do not even run mbr any more. My laptop gen 11 I7 cannot even run legacy bios (I have tried).

5) Not a major point for most users but you can only have 2TB drive max as OS drive for legacy bios.

In the end, Legacy mbr is dying history. UEFI is ascending future (until something new comes along).

It might be faulty file association. Right-click on an image and select Open with... Then go to the Choose another application option at the bottom to open all applications. Select the desired application and check the box to always open this type of image with this application. The specific file type will be associated again with the application and the icons should fix.

I believe you little of-topic.
Please return on topic.

Gregory said:

Hi.
I want to install the windows 11 to an old laptop without uefi and tpm.
Can i do that?
As i see from net i find some version it can install to pc's without tpm but without uefi i don't find anything.

Please help.

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Yes. Here's my old Asus laptop running Widows 11 in Legacy BIOS mode.

Some fellow mentioned is hard to find Windows 11 bypassing compatibility check out of the box. Why bother? Download the official Windows 11 ISO from Microsoft and use Rufus to create the USB without the compatibility check.

Here is an easy way without any patches, rufus etc.

1. create usb installation drive for windows 10 using w10 media creation tool

2. create w11 iso for windows 10 using w11 media creation tool

3. mount w11 iso as a drive

4. copy sources\install.esd from iso drive to usb sources folder (overwrite w10 install.esd with w11 install.esd).

5. Boot from iso, and install W11 now with no checks.

You can do it with install.wim isos but a bit more complicated as install.wim is > 4 GB

This is the hybrid Windows 10/11 USB flash drive. It works great for a clean installation, but unfortunately it cannot be used for upgrade.

spapakons said:

unfortunately it cannot be used for upgrade

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At what stage does it go wrong?

I saw this post whilst killing time during an attempt at a Windows 11 upgrade using a hybrid Win10-11 Install USB as described by cereberus.
- I made a USB because I found it easier than jobbing the ISO file directly but am doing it as an In-place upgrade [not a Clean install].
- The initial screens have been normal and it's now at 33% progress.

It's my final attempt at updating this definitely non-compliant computer [a x64 tablet with an integrated keyboard so it looks like a very small laptop - Chuwi Hi10 Pro].
- The first attempt bypassed compatibility checks but then failed at the Safe_OS reboot stage.
- I have a feeling that, if it works, it would be a better Windows 11 testbed than my current one.


All the best,
Denis