Intel Issues Official Statement Regarding 14th and 13th Gen Instability, Recommends Intel Default Settings


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This statemennt would always be my expectation.
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I always start a new mobo and build by setting things to default, and then selectively changing the things that I know that I want to change. I accept that I always take a bit of a risk here and I can evaluate stability and such on my own when making these changes. I expect things like memory to run at default clock speeds, and that I would have to override settings to push them to their rated speeds, knowing that they may or may not 100% stable with the silicon that I have in my rig.
 

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The latest BIOS update for my Asus Z790 board states "The update introduces the Intel Baseline Profile option, allowing users to revert to Intel factory default settings for basic functionality, lower power limits, and improving stability in certain games."

I guess that's an update to miss.
 

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With the speeds of modern day cpus, fast ram, over the top GPUS, fast bus speeds, fast nvme drives and everything else in a computer that adds to speed, why do users push their machines even further by extreme overclocking? The only thing I know about overclocking is gamers do it to get more speed. Just how much MORE speed can a user force out of the hardware? Is running hardware beyond it's listed limits not an abuse of that hardware and does it void the hardware's warranty? I've been wanting to ask this for a while but haven't as I felt I would catch flack for being an old broad who is so much out of the know. But I ask because overclocking is foreign to me and I sincerely want to understand.

(I can see the eye rolls from here):rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 

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With the speeds of modern day cpus, fast ram, over the top GPUS, fast bus speeds, fast nvme drives and everything else in a computer that adds to speed, why do users push their machines even further by extreme overclocking? The only thing I know about overclocking is gamers do it to get more speed. Just how much MORE speed can a user force out of the hardware? Is running hardware beyond it's listed limits not an abuse of that hardware and does it void the hardware's warranty? I've been wanting to ask this for a while but haven't as I felt I would catch flack for being an old broad who is so much out of the know. But I ask because overclocking is foreign to me and I sincerely want to understand.

(I can see the eye rolls from here):rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
I personally believe it’s more of a “what can I get out of this” scenario. I remember doing it when I was a member of the Overclockers Australia forum.
I never used it past seeing what I could get our of it. Never tried it again. It was fun considering in 2014 I knew nothing. Now with advancements, I know even less.
 

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With the speeds of modern day cpus, fast ram, over the top GPUS, fast bus speeds, fast nvme drives and everything else in a computer that adds to speed, why do users push their machines even further by extreme overclocking? The only thing I know about overclocking is gamers do it to get more speed. Just how much MORE speed can a user force out of the hardware? Is running hardware beyond it's listed limits not an abuse of that hardware and does it void the hardware's warranty? I've been wanting to ask this for a while but haven't as I felt I would catch flack for being an old broad who is so much out of the know. But I ask because overclocking is foreign to me and I sincerely want to understand.

(I can see the eye rolls from here):rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
Extreme overclocking is mostly about being obsessed with trying to break world records. It's the adrenaline rush that goes with that. But in certain ways it also helps to advance mainstream overclocking and new product innovations a lot, not just about gaming, as in fact the PC hardware industry has always been more closely connected to gaming than many think. Just to give only one example: Micron embraces extreme DRAM overclocking
 

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The latest BIOS update for my Asus Z790 board states "The update introduces the Intel Baseline Profile option, allowing users to revert to Intel factory default settings for basic functionality, lower power limits, and improving stability in certain games."

I guess that's an update to miss.
The point to consider here is that people with these high end chips were having problems with games and such crashing. This was with the basic out of the box settings on their high-end motherboards....not tinkering around that they did on their own. With these initial mobo releases which didn't include that intel factory default setting, they were running their CPU's under unrestricted power settings which was causing them to get pushed to and beyond their limits of what they could support. Hence, they have likely done some amount of damage to their chips which will impact the longevity and stability of the chip over time.

I'm not sure that if I had sunk that money into a high end mobo and a high end CPU, that I would want to "miss" this update which could potentially give me back stability and reduce the likelihood of future damage and shortening the lifespan of my chip.

With the speeds of modern day cpus, fast ram, over the top GPUS, fast bus speeds, fast nvme drives and everything else in a computer that adds to speed, why do users push their machines even further by extreme overclocking? The only thing I know about overclocking is gamers do it to get more speed. Just how much MORE speed can a user force out of the hardware? Is running hardware beyond it's listed limits not an abuse of that hardware and does it void the hardware's warranty? I've been wanting to ask this for a while but haven't as I felt I would catch flack for being an old broad who is so much out of the know. But I ask because overclocking is foreign to me and I sincerely want to understand.

(I can see the eye rolls from here):rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
Overclocking for some is just addictive. The real end result is mostly that they can achieve a higher benchmark score....in the real world their overclocking gains typically don't translate to anything really tangible.

They do it, "because they can". Or they "hope they can". Because as most in the game know, not all silicon is the same. Just because 1 person can push their 14900k to xx Frequency, doesn't mean that another person can do the same with their chip, even if they have the same mobo, same power supply, same RAM, etc.

What's important about this story is that the overclocking discussed here, is overclocking that was enabled right out of the box on the mobos. People didn't tinker and push their own hardware, the manufacturers did it for them....and well......a lot of the Intel chips didn't cooperate (they weren't silicon lottery winners).

I used to tinker with overclocking back in the day. There was a time on an Abit motherboard (BP6) that you could run dual Celeron 300 processors, and could easily make them run at 450Mhz each. That was a pretty substantial jump, from 300Mhz to 450Mhz. We didn't have the heat problems and such in the day so this was a pretty safe upgrade.

I still have an Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 that at stock ran at 2.83Ghz. I was able to slightly undervolt it (those chips did great with the undervolt as a whole), that allowed me to push it to 3.2Ghz on the stock intel cooler. Back then, it was $200-$400 more expensive to get a Core 2 Quad at 3.2ghz than my Q9550, so with a teeny tiny overclock i was able to do the same with my hardware and not spend a penny more. That machine was build around 2009 and still runs to this day.

I don't think with overclocking these days. There is so much extra work with cooling, liquid cooling, super fancy pastes, lapping your lid of your CPU to ensure it's 100% smooth to get more out of todays chips. I just don't think those old school gains that I was used to in the past are there any more....and certainly they aren't as safe as they used to be.
 

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Ian Cutress: One of the things we’ve seen with the parts that we review is that we’re taking consumer or workstation level motherboards from the likes of ASUS, ASRock, and such, and they are implementing their own values for that PL2 limit and also the turbo window – they might be pushing these values up until the maximum they can go, such as a (maximum) limit of 999 W for 4096 seconds. From your opinion, does this distort how we do reviews because it necessarily means that they are running out of Intel defined spec?

Guy Therien:
Even with those values, you're not running out of spec, I want to make very clear – you’re running in spec, but you are getting higher turbo duration.

We’re going to be very crisp in our definition of what the difference between in-spec and out-of-spec is. There is an overclocking 'bit'/flag on our processors. Any change that requires you to set that overclocking bit to enable overclocking is considered out-of-spec operation. So if the motherboard manufacturer leaves a processor with its regular turbo values, but states that the power limit is 999W, that does not require a change in the overclocking bit, so it is in-spec.
 

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