Is 'Backup and Restore (Windows 7)' still part of Windows 11?

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I am asking the question because 'Backup and Restore (Windows 7) is still part of Windows 10, although the system imaging functionality has been deprecated 4 years ago as Bree noted in a parallel thread.
 

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Yes its still part of Windows 11.
 

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I am asking the question because 'Backup and Restore (Windows 7) is still part of Windows 10....
Yes, it is still there in W11. I think MS keep it for backward compatibility so that users with old W7 file backups can still restore them. MS do not recommend using it to make new system images, but have been silent about the files backups. I wouldn't recommend using either function.
 

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I wouldn’t rely on it even if it is.
 

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There are lots of great tools out there to make backups and some are free. I wouldn't use MS's
 

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This is what Wikipedia has to say Backup and Restore - Wikipedia

"Backup and Restore became deprecated with the release of Windows 8.0 and File History; all of its functionality was still available, but it would no longer be developed. In Windows 8.1, all user interface functionality excluding system image creation functionality was removed. Windows 10 reinstates Backup and Restore while maintaining the File History feature of Windows 8.0."

And at the end of the article:

"With the release of Windows 10, all Backup and Restore functionality was reinstated in a new Backup and Restore (Windows 7) Control Panel applet. File History, however, is both the default and preferred method to backup content in Windows 10, and it was updated to be included in Settings and to backup additional user locations by default.[21] System image functionality is deprecated with the release of Windows 10 1709 and Microsoft recommends the use of third-party software for the creation of system images.[22]"
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I am still ruminating on the above, but frankly, the file/folder backup aspect does not sound too bad to me, especially with MS' further commitment in Windows 11.
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FWIW, I mucked around with system imaging as in the write-up below.
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I installed Macrium Reflect Free on a spare computer to create a bootable USB stick. The USB stick is used to boot a target computer and create a system image of the target computer. I can confirm that this works for 'plane Jane' target computers.

Unfortunately, this does not work for my main rig which is not 'plane Jane'. My main rig simply refuses to boot from something that contains not only the boot but also something else (like Macrium Reflect Free) I have not tried Clonezilla Live, since it also requires booting from a customized boot. I really don't want to change how I configure (and secure) my main rig (nor do I want to install another third party software on my main rig)

Hence, I need a portable system imaging app (on a USB stick) that does NOT require booting from it.
If the app can also do file/folder backup, then that's a bonus.

Any suggestions?
 

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Don't use Wiki for a source for information.
 

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Fair enough (y) Let's focus on the portable system imaging app that does NOT require booting from it :)
 

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Ok,, What I do or have done is to back my system up to a temperate drive with the free version of this Best Backup Software for Windows PCs and Servers | AOMEI Backupper. Then if I need to I do a clean instillation of the OS and install the backup tool to restore everything from the backup file I created
Does your app require you to install the app on your target computer? Target computer = computer whose system image you want to create. If so, I don't want it. I don't want to install such an app on my target computer.

Hence, I want a portable app that does not need to be installed on a target computer. I found two portable apps sofar (there may be more) : Macrium Reflect Free and Clonezilla Live. Unfortunately, both portable apps don't work for me, because they require booting from a customized boot. Hence, there is an additional requirement for the portable app: does NOT require booting from a customized boot.

The deployment scenario could look like this:
Plug in the USB stick with the portable app in the target computer​
Plug in a second USB stick as the backup medium in the target computer​
Run the portable app > create a system image of the target computer in the second USB stick​

I am looking for such a portable app :)

Edit: Did I invent the perfect spy gear, LOL
 

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The one I pointed out does need to be installed on you PC but I bet most will.
I hope you find what you're looking for
 

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This is what Wikipedia has to say Backup and Restore - Wikipedia

"Backup and Restore became deprecated with the release of Windows 8.0 and File History; all of its functionality was still available, but it would no longer be developed. In Windows 8.1, all user interface functionality excluding system image creation functionality was removed. Windows 10 reinstates Backup and Restore while maintaining the File History feature of Windows 8.0."

And at the end of the article:

"With the release of Windows 10, all Backup and Restore functionality was reinstated in a new Backup and Restore (Windows 7) Control Panel applet. File History, however, is both the default and preferred method to backup content in Windows 10, and it was updated to be included in Settings and to backup additional user locations by default.[21] System image functionality is deprecated with the release of Windows 10 1709 and Microsoft recommends the use of third-party software for the creation of system images.[22]"
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I am still ruminating on the above, but frankly, the file/folder backup aspect does not sound too bad to me, especially with MS' further commitment in Windows 11.
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FWIW, I mucked around with system imaging as in the write-up below.
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I installed Macrium Reflect Free on a spare computer to create a bootable USB stick. The USB stick is used to boot a target computer and create a system image of the target computer. I can confirm that this works for 'plane Jane' target computers.

Unfortunately, this does not work for my main rig which is not 'plane Jane'. My main rig simply refuses to boot from something that contains not only the boot but also something else (like Macrium Reflect Free) I have not tried Clonezilla Live, since it also requires booting from a customized boot. I really don't want to change how I configure (and secure) my main rig (nor do I want to install another third party software on my main rig)

Hence, I need a portable system imaging app (on a USB stick) that does NOT require booting from it.
If the app can also do file/folder backup, then that's a bonus.

Any suggestions?

What you need to figure out is:

Which drivers does your computer need to boot? That is (most likely) the limiting factor here.

The easiest solution is to install and build the bootable USB device from the computer that you want to boot on. When creating the boot drive, use the Add additional drivers and inject those into the bootable USB device.

However, IIRC, there was a documented way you could do this with a single jump drive and multiple computers, adding the drivers from each computer, so that the one jump drive.

Ahh, yes. Here is one:

The main tutorial from Macrium is here: Creating rescue media - KnowledgeBase v7 - Macrium Reflect Knowledgebase - KnowledgeBase v7 - Macrium Reflect Knowledgebase

But this links directly to how to set up the same bootable device to work on multiple computers with different driver requirements:


Except that you simply copy them to the appropriate directory on the USB media instead of the mounted .ISO file.

This one has slightly better information regarding that: v5 - Adding drivers to WinPE rescue media (drivers, Windows PE)

In addition to all this, here is another more link, a complete Macrium Reflect users tutorial hosted at our sister site TenForums (aka 10F): Backup and Restore with Macrium Reflect

(The specific part about building the rescue media is in section 2 - Backup and Restore with Macrium Reflect )

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Well, what can I say, I think that it should be a lot simpler than that. I have the Emsisoft Emergency Kit which is a portable app on a USB stick that I plug in and run > scans the machine for malware. NO installations of the app on the machines. NO booting of the machines from the app. It is as simple as that.

I need the equivalent Backup Emergency Kit :)

Come to think of it, someone must have invented this simple spy gear that leaves no trace, perhaps the NSA has it :)

Edit: The Backup Emergency Kit may be illegal, because it would be exceedingly simple to steal humongous amounts of data:eek::eek::eek:
 
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FWIW, I mucked around with Aomei. I installed it on a spare machine, and like the fact that the free version (Aomei Backupper Standard) did not ask for an email address to send a registration code to, like Macrium did. I also like the more refined graphics of the GUI, although it is still a bit rough for my taste (definitely not Apple-like :)) The boot disk created by Aomei is plain, during its creation the content was downloaded from MS (presumably) there is no added Aomei content. Unlike the boot disk created by Macrium, which does have added Macrium content. So Aomei works only from the installed app > nagware came via the Internet > have to remember to disconnect from the Internet when playing with it.

I tried to install the open source Clonezilla Live, but I couldn't do it without installing other software too, and thank you, I don't do that even on a spare machine.

I am still ruminating, additional food to ruminate welcome!
 

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the free version (Aomei Backupper Standard) did not ask for an email address to send a registration code to, like Macrium did.
There's no requirement for an email address to download Macrium Reflect Free, not if you tick 'I need a personal free licence'. The email address is only a required field if you ask for a commercial free licence.

The same applies when installing, registration is only required if you choose to install for commercial use. If you choose Home use then registration is ticked by default, but you can un-tick it and install without registering.
 
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There's no requirement for an email address to download Macrium Reflect Free, not if you tick 'I need a personal free licence'. The email address is only a required field if you ask for a commercial free licence.

The same applies when installing, registration is only required if you choose to install for commercial use. If you choose Home use then registration is ticked by default, but you can un-tick it and install without registering.
Ah, thanks for the info!

I gave them a disposable email address to send their spam to :look:
 
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An update of my ruminations, FWIW

Since booting from a boot disk generated by Macrium (or Aomei) led me nowhere, I configured a spare machine to mimic my main rig (including the particular BitLocker configuration) > installed Macrium and Aomei on the spare machine to conduct the tests below.

Macrium: did a Disk Image > deleted a couple of unimportant user files > attempted a restore but an error message popped up "cannot unlock C:" I was at first disappointed, but then quite delighted that BitLocker protected the drive.

Aomei: did a Disk Backup > deleted a couple of unimportant user files > did a restore, but the files remain missing. I thought I misunderstood the words (the English of Aomei is not perfect) and did a System Backup and Restore with the same end result, i.e. files remain missing. I don't really know what Aomei has done (or not done, although it did a lot of whrr ... whrr ... whrr) but at least it returned the spare machine bootable with the particular BitLocker configuration intact.
 
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Does your app require you to install the app on your target computer? Target computer = computer whose system image you want to create. If so, I don't want it. I don't want to install such an app on my target computer.

Hence, I want a portable app that does not need to be installed on a target computer. I found two portable apps sofar (there may be more) : Macrium Reflect Free and Clonezilla Live. Unfortunately, both portable apps don't work for me, because they require booting from a customized boot. Hence, there is an additional requirement for the portable app: does NOT require booting from a customized boot.

The deployment scenario could look like this:
Plug in the USB stick with the portable app in the target computer​
Plug in a second USB stick as the backup medium in the target computer​
Run the portable app > create a system image of the target computer in the second USB stick​

I am looking for such a portable app :)

Edit: Did I invent the perfect spy gear, LOL

Hi there

@Haydon

Simplest portable app -- provided you keep the Windows OS on its own HDD / SDD

1) install any Live Linux distro on to an external USB device - will fit on a tiny USB stick
2) have an external USB device large enough to have a disk image of the Windows OS -- I assume Windows will be on its own HDD / SSD.

3) boot the live distro with the external USB also plugged in

4) run lsblk from console -- you should see a number of entries such as sda1, sda2 etc with a umber of entries against them -- you should be able from the size to tell what the windows device is and what your external device is. The usb stick will show probably 4GB size or whatever you used for the usb stick you created the live distro on.

(Note to create a bootable usb drive from the iso use something like rufus which works on windows and there is a portable version if you prefer.

assume Windows hdd is sda and your external device is sdb. On the windows disk there may be extra entries such as /dev/sda1, sda2 etc --ignore those.

To CREATE the image from the console / terminal program simply run this command

dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb bs=2048M status=progress

to RESTORE the image

dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb bs=2048M status=progress

No formatting etc of any kind required. Nice and portable system and image for you. I'd suggest creating a live distro of something like Linux Mint as it's reasonably like Windows. for command line just use konsole / terminal etc and it works like the cmd prompt in Windows. The desktop will show a load of applications -- a terminal / konsole application will be one of them. Using a Live distro requires almost no knowlege of Linux as it will boot ready for use without any user / passwords etc being required.

These distros will have probably firefox available as a web browser if you get stuck so you can even logon to these Forums and ask for assistance.!!

the dd facility just reads physical blocks - it cares nothing about formats, encryptions, permissions etc etc -- it simply reads / writes physical data off the HDD's sector by sector according to the disk geometry -- bad or good data too - whatever is on one disk will be replicated to the other.

BTW this can also be used to replicate partitions - partitions wil have numbers e.g sda1, sda2 etc. just use those if you want to image just the partitions but for your job its best to replicate the OS disk.

Cheers
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Wow, my heart skipped a beat or two, because I have to learn Linux first!

If I understand correctly, Clonezilla live offers something similar.

I need a breather, but I truly appreciate your write-up, jimbo45 (y)(y)
 

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Another update of my backup ruminations, FWIW

I mucked around with Linux-based Clonezilla Live > created a Live DVD > made disk backups of 3 test machines > restore
  1. Can do a restore on a non-BitLocker machine, so the Live DVD works.
  2. Cannot do a restore on a BitLocker machine, because the machine froze during restore, although the BitLocker box was checked on Clonezilla Live.
  3. Cannot do a restore on another BitLocker machine, because it bypassed the Live DVD altogether and booted normally.
The above is consistent with the previous mucking around with Macrium and Aomei > issue is likely BitLocker. I use the most secure configuration of BitLocker which requires a USB Key, but not once was I required to 'Insert USB Key'.

It looks like I am stuck with the built-in utility File History that can make BitLocker encrypted file/folder copies & restores without any problems. I'll maintain 3 File Histories, instead of the previous 2 File Histories, and the Backup and Restore (Windows 7) that has been deprecated. I'll need to do bare metal restores, which I prefer anyway, it is the cleanest restore, although it takes longer. Luckily, I am not a tech that has to provide TLC for 1000 machines :eek:

I wish I had found an ad hoc disk imaging solution as a different kind of resource to fall back on, and I'll revisit the issue from time to time, but I am done for now, I am exhausted, LOL
 

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  • Operating System
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