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Is there any difference between Beta and Release Preview Channels any more?

As far as I can tell, these are the same thing now.

Also I did not fully appreciate this when updating optional cumulative updates, that I am effectively running Beta/RP anyway.

In other words, am I correct in saying to stay of formal release version, you should not install optional build updates.
 

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I don't think there is nowadays so I have gone back to the Dev as the Beta never changed I made my machine dual boot as dev is a bit unreliable
Optional builds are asking you to test them them for MS
 

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I don't think there is nowadays so I have gone back to the Dev as the Beta never changed I made my machine dual boot as dev is a bit unreliable
Optional builds are asking you to test them them for MS
Yeah - I had assumed (never a good plan) that the optional updates were essentially Release Preview updates that had been released to Release Preview Channel a couple of weeks or so earlier. That is how RP used to work.

Beta used to be like an earlier version of DEV that had been well tested, and was always ahead of RP (but converged close to Release).

However DEV versions are more like the old Skip Ahead now, and are always ahead of Release and no longer cascade to Beta.

So, in effect, Beta/RP are the same thing now as far as I can tell (and you agree basically).

I just see no point anymore of two Channels.

Funnily enough Dev build has been quite stable until last few build where MS obviously stepped up a gear releasing a lot of new (but not particularly useful) options, and they have been much more buggy than before.

You can't help feeling a new boss is cracking the whip, and things are going out with minimal testing! I do not have a big issue with this, except when they break standard features (like right click of Windows). Bugs on new features - name of the game, new bugs on old well tested features - pure sloppiness!
 

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I think at some point 22H2 will arrive in these channels - Beta first then RP.
 

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May a couple of weeks earlier but not a lot, anyway no point in speculating
 

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I think at some point 22H2 will arrive in these channels - Beta first then RP.
That is point of my post. Normally Beta got updates ahead of RP, but now they seem to be in sync. Beta and RP used to converge close to release.

So why would Beta diverge now this late in the day, then reconverge - makes no sense at all.
 

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makes no sense at all.

That is something many of us have said many a time when it comes to Microsoft.

Par for the course, eh?
 

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I would think that 22H1 Should be here at some point?
 

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Microsoft have also said that Windows 10 will follow suit and only get annual updates from now on.
 

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I expect they will change their minds
 

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No - next update is 22H2. MS have said W11 will only get annual updates.
Terminology used by MS tends to be imprecise - you get updates all the time with cumulative updates. Build UPGRADES will only be annual for Windows 11.

MS have been experimenting with more efficient ways of doing updates, so in essence some features are being added all the time, but some will only turn up with build upgrade (either marketing or need to make significant OS change?).

In the end, it is semantics to a degree.
 

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Terminology used by MS tends to be imprecise - you get updates all the time with cumulative updates. Build UPGRADES will only be annual for Windows 11.

MS have been experimenting with more efficient ways of doing updates, so in essence some features are being added all the time, but some will only turn up with build upgrade (either marketing or need to make significant OS change?).

In the end, it is semantics to a degree.
One of my desktop didn't get the update and they have always got them the same day (KB5011563)
 

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I gave up thinking about it, It always was the same on every machine, now it varies up to 3 days apart. I put it down to different hardware or something different
 

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I gave up thinking about it, It always was the same on every machine, now it varies up to 3 days apart. I put it down to different hardware or something different
Thanks Rod I never thought about that It could be different hardware (y)
 

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    Keyboard
    HP
    Mouse
    LOGITECH (M705
    Internet Speed
    5940 RPM
    Browser
    FIRE FOX 106.0.4
    Antivirus
    WINDOWS SECURITY
    Other Info
    desktop pc #2 PROCESSOR AMD A8-7410 APU WITH AMD RADEON R5 GRAPHICS 2.20 GHZ INSTALLED RAM 4.00 GB(3.45 GB USABLE) DEVICE ID 5c27474D-FCBA-4D)D-89E8-89E8-071DCOAB36AC PRODUCT ID 00325-80450-35140-AAOEM SYSTEM TYPE 64-BIT OPERATING SYSTEM,X64-BASED PROCESSOR PEN AND TOUCH WITH 10 TOUCH POINTS everything else as pc above

    #3 desktop Dell windows 10 home ver 21h1 Intel(R) Pention(R)cpu G2020@ 2.90 GHZ 2.90 GHZ 64 BIT operating System,x 64based Processor Everything else as the 2 pc's above
    Toshiba External Hard Drive--3TB:oin HDWC 130XK3J1
  • Operating System
    Windows
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    AMD A8-7410
    Memory
    4.00 GB
    Graphics card(s)
    AMD RADEON R5 GRAPHICS

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May not be right Jerry, that's just what I thought and worked out
 

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System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Alienware Area 51m R2
    CPU
    10th Gen Core i9 10900K
    Memory
    32GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Geforce RTX 2080 Super
    Sound Card
    Nvidia HD
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    C: Samsung 2TB P981A
    D: Samsung 2TB 970 Evo
    Case
    Dark side of the moon
    Mouse
    Alienware AW610M
    Browser
    Chrome and Firefox
    Antivirus
    Norton
    Other Info
    Killer E3000 Ethernet Controller
    Killer AX1650i Wi-Fi Network Adaptor
    Alienware Z01G Graphic Amplifier
    Tobii Eye Tracker
  • Operating System
    Dual Boot Windows 11 Pro / Windows 11 Pro Dev build
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Inspiron 3501
    CPU
    11th Gen i-7 2.80 gb
    Memory
    16Gb
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    512Gb SSD
    WD 2GB EXT
    Browser
    Chrome
    Antivirus
    Norton

Winuser

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There is now. Until the next Dev release the Beta and Dev channels are the same. Today's release is one of those rare opportunities for those in the Dev channel to switch to the Beta channel without doing a clean install.
 

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System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    PowerSpec B746
    CPU
    Intel Core i7-10700K
    Motherboard
    ASRock Z490 Phantom Gaming 4/ax
    Memory
    16GB (8GB PC4-19200 DDR4 SDRAM x2)
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 TI
    Sound Card
    Realtek Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung SAM0A87 Samsung SAM0D32
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    NVMe WDC WDS100T2B0C-00PXH0 1TB
    Samsung SSD 860 EVO 1TB
    PSU
    750 Watts (62.5A)
    Case
    PowerSpec/Lian Li ATX 205
    Keyboard
    Logitech K270
    Mouse
    Logitech M185
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge and Firefox
    Antivirus
    ESET Internet Security
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Dev
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Envy x360 15-ds1083cl
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7 4700U 2.0GHZ
    Memory
    16 MB DDR 4-2666
    Graphics card(s)
    AMD Radeon
    Monitor(s) Displays
    15.6"
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    PCIe NVMe M.2 512GB
    Browser
    Firefox, Edge and Edge Canary
    Antivirus
    ESET Internet Security

asturias7

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Whatever is being offered on the Release Preview channel is what will be offered to the general public, and it's usually done in quick succession. The Beta and Dev channels are now separate entities, and the Dev channel offers changes that are pretty much experiments. Between Beta and Dev, I choose Beta any day since there are, usually, a lot less problems/issues.
 

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System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Home
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Alienware

cereberus

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Whatever is being offered on the Release Preview channel is what will be offered to the general public, and it's usually done in quick succession. The Beta and Dev channels are now separate entities, and the Dev channel offers changes that are pretty much experiments. Between Beta and Dev, I choose Beta any day since there are, usually, a lot less problems/issues.
You are responding to an old thread that is no longer relevant.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 10 Pro + others in VHDs
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS Vivobook 14
    CPU
    I7
    Motherboard
    Yep, Laptop has one.
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Integrated Intel Iris XE
    Sound Card
    Realtek built in
    Monitor(s) Displays
    N/A
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    1 TB Optane NVME SSD, 1 TB NVME SSD
    PSU
    Yep, got one
    Case
    Yep, got one
    Cooling
    Stella Artois
    Keyboard
    Built in
    Mouse
    Bluetooth , wired
    Internet Speed
    72 Mb/s :-(
    Browser
    Edge mostly
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    TPM 2.0

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