Is Windows 11 a glorified Windows 10?

BunnyJ · Nov 24, 2021

jvickers said:
I do have to agree with @NavyLCDR, people have taken shots at Windows 11 alluding to it being a subpar Windows iteration, some inferring that it's nothing more than Windows 10 with a new GUI.

No offense to anyone, mind you. It's just how I read the posts. Those comments are a little off the OPs topic of the games reporting the OS as being Windows 10 and wanting to know if there was a solution. Comments like those aren't solutions or explanations other than overt lambastes of Windows 11.

Never pass up a chance and saying negative things about 11. If the GUI sucks that much.. don't use 11, it's that simple.

If I were the OP I would go back to using 10 if I had an issue like this until 11 is more of a mature OS.

jvickers · Nov 24, 2021

BunnyJ said:
Never pass up a chance and saying negative things about 11. If the GUI sucks that much.. don't use 11, it's that simple.

If I were the OP I would go back to using 10 if I had an issue like this until 11 is more of a mature OS.

That's just it. I'm not sure if the OP has an issue with Windows 11. I think they're just confused why winver is reporting Windows 11 and AC-V is reporting Windows 10. People just seemed to take the opportunity to chime in about how bad Windows 11 is when it might not even be an issue related to Windows 11.

BunnyJ · Nov 24, 2021

jvickers said:
That's just it. I'm not sure if the OP has an issue with Windows 11. I think they're just confused why winver is reporting Windows 11 and AC-V is reporting Windows 10. People just seemed to take the opportunity to chime in about how bad Windows 11 is when it might not even be an issue related to Windows 11.

There clearly is an issue but I don't think it's in anyway related to Win 11. While the key difference is the OS upgrade I don't know how that would effect the running of a game. We've had many reports that games work just fine under 11 and I've not had any issues with games or any other program with 11.

Berton · Nov 24, 2021

In addition to seeing Win10 mentioned in Win11, even though the file manager has had its name changed to File Explorer there's still places it hasn't been changed from Windows Explorer, even the old File Manager still works.

moob · Nov 24, 2021

Windows 11 is not Windows 10...

Is Windows 10X, they are now tweaking it to become the Windows 11

Windows 10X

Berton · Nov 24, 2021

https://microsoft.fandom.com › wiki › Windows_10X
Windows 10X (codenamed Santorini) was an edition of Windows 10 that had been in development by Microsoft as part of the Windows NT family. It was announced on October 2, 2019 as an operating system to support dual-screen devices, such as the Surface Neo. Windows 10X was originally expected to be released in 2020, On May 19, 2021, Microsoft announced that the project had been cancelled. Some of the features salvaged from 10X are being incorporated into Windows 11

The-Hive · Nov 24, 2021

@moob We know that, look at what @Berton has posted 10X is long gone

davewin11 · Nov 24, 2021

Try3 said:
Dave,

What is in the relevant Registry key for that build?

Denis

Denis
This is the only mention of Win 11 that I could find in the Beta registry.

Dave

Try3 · Nov 24, 2021

I responded in post #3 to the OP's report of a confusing occurrence and chucked in a light-hearted comment that picked up on the OP's choice of words.

There has been a string of posts decrying such comments but I was unable to respond sooner because I've been testing Windows 11 offline.
- The test required one of my backup drives to be connected [I never connect to the internet when a backup drive is connected].
- I found the results interesting.
- A backup script that had been written for Windows 10 was failing because, it transpired, permissions on a particular Registry key were different to those of its Windows 10 equivalent. {HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows Defender\Exclusions\Paths}
- Having identified the problem, I have now also identified a potential solution.
- So, once I have tested the potential solution, I'll be able to amend the script so it runs in both Windows 10 & Windows 11.
- I expect to be running both OSs for a couple of years yet so commonality in scripts is important to me.

All the best,
Denis

Try3 · Nov 24, 2021

davewin11 said:
This is the only mention of Win 11 that I could find in the Beta registry.

Dave,

Sorry. I wasn't clear about it. I meant this entry

Try3 said:
The Windows 11 Registry still reports the OS as Windows 10 in
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion
ProductName

In my
Windows 11 Home x64 Version 21H2 Build 22000.318
that still reports
Windows 10 Home
which is why I suspected it as the cause of the OP's concern.

Denis

Superfly · Nov 24, 2021

Yet another nag thread...

I never understood why people remained on Win 7 for so long after Win 10 - and I still don't get the aversion to this new OS (technically it's different to Win 10 albeit with some legacy code)

NavyLCDR · Nov 24, 2021

rzn6jw said:
Is Windows 11 a glorified Windows 10?
Was playing Far Cry 6, which I have been playing since it was released, on Win 10 and then on Win 11. Been playing on 11 for 2 weeks without any issues until tonight. For some reason, FC6 crammed my video memory above maximum (using RTX 2070 Super with 8G video memory - see 1st attachment) making the game unplayable. Decided to try Assassins Creed Valhalla and had no issue (see 2nd attachment). Then I noticed, in the AC-V display, the OS information that said I was running Windows 10 Business Edition 64-bit. What the heck?? WINVER says Windows 11 so what is going on?

Windows 11 is an offshoot of Windows 10. Whether people think it is glorified, overblown, or pared down does not change the fact that Microsoft took Windows 10 and morphed it into Windows 11. So, in regards to the last two questions in the OP, @Try3's answer is about 99.9% chance to be correct - there is some registry entry that still has "Windows 10" listed in it. It's that simple.

Regarding FC6 locking up the GPU - that sounds more like a video driver than strictly a Windows 11 issue. Glitches happen.

BunnyJ · Nov 24, 2021

NavyLCDR said:
Windows 11 is an offshoot of Windows 10. Whether people think it is glorified, overblown, or pared down does not change the fact that Microsoft took Windows 10 and morphed it into Windows 11. So, in regards to the last two questions in the OP, @Try3's answer is about 99.9% chance to be correct - there is some registry entry that still has "Windows 10" listed in it. It's that simple.

Regarding FC6 locking up the GPU - that sounds more like a video driver than strictly a Windows 11 issue. Glitches happen.

Driver issues are most likely the cause of this issue. It shouldn't be a shock that a new OS will have issues when it comes to drivers.

Superfly · Nov 24, 2021

NavyLCDR said:
Windows 11 is an offshoot of Windows 10. Whether people think it is glorified, overblown, or pared down does not change the fact that Microsoft took Windows 10 and morphed it into Windows 11. So, in regards to the last two questions in the OP, @Try3's answer is about 99.9% chance to be correct - there is some registry entry that still has "Windows 10" listed in it. It's that simple.

Regarding FC6 locking up the GPU - that sounds more like a video driver than strictly a Windows 11 issue. Glitches happen.

Regarding the technical changes .. I reported before that I had to change code in ShowKeyPlus on merely checking if a file exists... in Win 11 the file will exist but if the user does not have read permissions it will not report its existence and give an access denied error.

This is the kind of intrinsic coding changes required in most apps now.

That is - Win 11 checks permissions whereas Win 10 did not.

NavyLCDR · Nov 24, 2021

BunnyJ said:
Driver issues are most likely the cause of this issue. It shouldn't be a shock that a new OS will have issues when it comes to drivers.

I think it is more likely that a new driver release will have issues. The latest GeForce Experience was only released 11/11/21. Nvidia updates their drivers just as much as MS updates Windows. (and I know GeForce Experience is more of an overlay than the actual driver itself).

tinmar49 · Nov 24, 2021

Windows 11 is similar enough to 10 to be easy to get into and that is just how I prefer it. There would be no sense in it being so different that the average user couldn't get it to run, and remember forum members have very little in common with the average user who will not have ever heard of this forum and never will.

NavyLCDR · Nov 24, 2021

tinmar49 said:
Windows 11 is similar enough to 10 to be easy to get into and that is just how I prefer it. There would be no sense in it being so different that the average user couldn't get it to run, and remember forum members have very little in common with the average user who will not have ever heard of this forum and never will.

That's true, once you get all the hardware features turned on that Windows 11 requires by default....UEFI, GPT partitioning type, TPM, Secure boot, assuming you have a supported CPU. A lot of people are having issues converting their MBR/legacy BIOS Windows 10 to UEFI/GPT in order to upgrade to Windows 11.

ThrashZone · Nov 24, 2021

rzn6jw said:
Was playing Far Cry 6, which I have been playing since it was released, on Win 10 and then on Win 11. Been playing on 11 for 2 weeks without any issues until tonight. For some reason, FC6 crammed my video memory above maximum (using RTX 2070 Super with 8G video memory - see 1st attachment) making the game unplayable. Decided to try Assassins Creed Valhalla and had no issue (see 2nd attachment). Then I noticed, in the AC-V display, the OS information that said I was running Windows 10 Business Edition 64-bit. What the heck?? WINVER says Windows 11 so what is going on?

Hi,
Yes 11 is a glorified win-10 with little more than obnoxious security requirements and wrapped in a new desktop theme.

Never saw so many members use so much drama from someone just using "glorified win-10" as a negative to 11 lol
It's true whether it's a negative or not well some just use what they want for fresh meat :lmao:

jvickers · Nov 24, 2021

ThrashZone said:
Hi,
Yes 11 is a glorified win-10 with little more than obnoxious security requirements and wrapped in a new desktop theme.

Never saw so many members use so much drama from someone just using "glorified win-10" as a negative to 11 lol
It's true whether it's a negative or not well some just use what they want for fresh meat

True. And the OP nowhere in sight of the discussion. :ROFLMAO: