Insider KB5034015 Windows 11 Insider Canary Build 26010.1010 (23H2) - Dec. 12

Winuser · Dec 8, 2023

Winuser said:
I still don't have tabs on my new desktop. I haven't updated my old desktop. Probably do it tonight or tomorrow.

I started my new desktop this afternoon when I got home from work and I see that the tabbed File Explorer is back. I did update to SAB 3.7.1 so I don't know for sure if it was the new build or the SAB update.

fg2001gf11F · Dec 8, 2023

Fabler2 said:
As you know I went back to using WU to install AMD drivers (not using the desktop version) because it was less hassle for me. So I followed your lead with AMD drivers. Uninstalled Version 30.0.13044.1 and rebooted. WU installed v27.20.11044.5003.

The advanced boot menu still has some artifacting but just leaving the cursor over what I needed selecting and pressing the enter key got me through to safe mode eventually.

ASUS recommends the later driver and even WU shows as optional update.

The AMD software is no longer compatible (what's new) but will leave as is for now to see if the later driver will work in the next flight or so. Great sleuthing!

My machines have Nvidia Display drivers and Intel Display drivers at the latest level. None of the workarounds mentioned here allow me to get a usable Recovery environment.
This Build 26010 is just another typical MS screwup. They had this same problem not too long ago.

magilla · Dec 8, 2023

Installation complete

fg2001gf11F · Dec 9, 2023

Interesting workaround.
Somebody posted this on twitter about the recovery environment bug, and it is a good workaround.

With that I could also verify that the Safe Mode bug has been fixed, no more stuck with the boot logo.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1733478508603506988

I will try to see if the same workaround applies on the clean install setup.

Edit:
I tried a clean install setup and managed to work through using the keyboard when possible. Still had some weird rendering but got through the whole process and completed the clean install.
Messy process, I hope they get a fix on next build.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1732830004856103173

martyfelker · Dec 9, 2023

Finally got out of a month spent in Microsoft jail after changing my security address so I have the privilege of entering a 7-digit code to reset my PIN. Lots of stuff to download. It's a QQEMU/KVM VM but when I reboot into Debian I will have to go through the whole thing again I want to run it. This is unlike any other VM. A true annoyance.

Almighty1 · Dec 9, 2023

fg2001gf11F said:
Interesting workaround.
Somebody posted this on twitter about the recovery environment bug, and it is a good workaround.
With that I could also verify that the Safe Mode bug has been fixed, no more stuck with the boot logo.

View attachment 80687

I will try to see if the same workaround applies on the clean install setup.

Edit:
I tried a clean install setup and managed to work through using the keyboard when possible. Still had some weird rendering but got through the whole process and completed the clean install.
Messy process, I hope they get a fix on next build.

I'm curious, does this issue also exist for those with touchscreens? I haven't tried it since I do have a touchscreen on my notebook but my Canary is under a Beta Windows Hyper-V VM so it might have different results.

fg2001gf11F · Dec 9, 2023

Almighty1 said:
I'm curious, does this issue also exist for those with touchscreens? I haven't tried it since I do have a touchscreen on my notebook but my Canary is under a Beta Windows Hyper-V VM so it might have different results.

I think the problem could not be reproduced with VM. I rarely or never use VM on PCs.
I worked with VM for 30 years with the IBM mainframes.
Still had to go native MVS to find some of the bugs that could not reproduce with VM.
Similar story with VM on PCs.

I have a touch screen on my laptop, but I don't use it for insider builds.

I think it will fail the same way.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1733478508603506988

fg2001gf11F · Dec 9, 2023

Fabler2 said:
This is my boot screen but only on the ASUS. Others ok.

View attachment 80445

I had that issue a few canary Builds back, I cannot remember how I got it fixed.

fg2001gf11F · Dec 10, 2023

@Almighty1,

Here is another silly change from 26002 to 26010, now with 26010 the button is dark unless you put the cursor on it.

I don't know why both builds lost the feedback sound when I click on that volume adjustment button.

I hope it was not intentional.

Almighty1 · Dec 11, 2023

@fg2001gf11F - I was going to try the touchscreen in VM but discovered my touchscreen wasn't working, more on that here:

Dell XPS 15 9570 Notebook 4K Touchscreen not working in Windows 11

Greetings everyone: I have a Dell XPS 15 9570 Notebook with the 4K Touchscreen which originally shipped with Windows 10 that I upgraded to Windows 11 before Windows 11 came out with the Previews. The issue is I don't usually use the Touchscreen and I know it worked under Windows 10 and...

www.elevenforum.com

but if it wasn't for this thread, I wouldn't have known which is the good part and also fixed it.
Yes, I couldn't reproduce it in the VM using the mouse, touchpad or touchscreen.

My volume adjustment button works correctly and both the feedback sound and visuals appears to be working correctly.

fg2001gf11F · Dec 11, 2023

Almighty1 said:
My volume adjustment button works correctly and both the feedback sound and visuals appears to be working correctly.

The feedback sound in Canary only works on an Older PC that uses Realtek High Definition Sound driver.
But no longer works on newer Dell desktops with any of these adapters, while it works with any other Builds.

Also, with 26010 the button is now black unless I put the mouse pointer over it, really silly.

I think some users were complaining about the feedback sound, so some one at MS had the stupid idea of eliminating it instead of making it optional.

Three cases with Build 26010.
1) No color on the button when the mouse pointer is away.

2) Button has visible color when the mouse pointer is near the button.

3) Button has visible color + volume level indication above when the mouse pointer is over the button.

I wonder who at MS came up with this crazy idea.

I want the feedback sound back.

fg2001gf11F · Dec 11, 2023

Almighty1 said:
@fg2001gf11F - I was going to try the touchscreen in VM but discovered my touchscreen wasn't working, more on that here:

Dell XPS 15 9570 Notebook 4K Touchscreen not working in Windows 11

Greetings everyone: I have a Dell XPS 15 9570 Notebook with the 4K Touchscreen which originally shipped with Windows 10 that I upgraded to Windows 11 before Windows 11 came out with the Previews. The issue is I don't usually use the Touchscreen and I know it worked under Windows 10 and...

www.elevenforum.com

but if it wasn't for this thread, I wouldn't have known which is the good part and also fixed it.
Yes, I couldn't reproduce it in the VM using the mouse, touchpad or touchscreen.

My volume adjustment button works correctly and both the feedback sound and visuals appears to be working correctly.

Do you have the sound feedback when you click on the button with Build 26010?

My laptop is a Lenovo Yoga 920 with the same Intel UHD 630 adapter that you show, had no issues with touch screen.
It was originally on windows 10 and the upgraded to windows 11 without any issues.

martyfelker · Dec 11, 2023

If Windows 12 is going to be released in 6 months, where are the Insider builds? Just wondering

Almighty1 · Dec 11, 2023

@fg2001gf11F - I would say someone at MS who doesn't have a Dell. Not sure what they use now but I remember their entire lab was supposedly CompaQ before HP took over CPQ. I am running 26010 on a Beta Insiders Hyper-V, not a actual machine. As mentioned in the other touchscreen thread, I fixed the problem already. The issue appears to be that Windows 11 when I did a repair install replaced the Intel Serial IO driver with a 10.x driver from July 18, 1968 and installing Intel's Serial IO driver fixed it because it added back the 2 Intel Serial IO I2C devices in addition to the Intel Serial IO GPIO device so Human Interface Devices because of the I2C also showed the missing devices as it broke both the touchscreen and the touchpad's gestures as Windows didn't see the gestures feature either. I just don't use either to notice the when the function disappeared but I can say it was after October 23, 2021 as that was when I last installed the Intel Serial IO driver.

fg2001gf11F · Dec 11, 2023

Almighty1 said:
@fg2001gf11F - I would say someone at MS who doesn't have a Dell. Not sure what they use now but I remember their entire lab was supposedly CompaQ before HP took over CPQ. I am running 26010 on a Beta Insiders Hyper-V, not a actual machine. As mentioned in the other touchscreen thread, I fixed the problem already. The issue appears to be that Windows 11 when I did a repair install replaced the Intel Serial IO driver with a 10.x driver from July 18, 1968 and installing Intel's Serial IO driver fixed it because it added back the 2 Intel Serial IO I2C devices in addition to the Intel Serial IO GPIO device so Human Interface Devices because of the I2C also showed the missing devices as it broke both the touchscreen and the touchpad's gestures as Windows didn't see the gestures feature either. I just don't use either to notice the when the function disappeared but I can say it was after October 23, 2021 as that was when I last installed the Intel Serial IO driver.

Thanks, for the explanation about the I2C drivers, my I2C drivers are all at version 22621.2506.
As for the sound feedback on the volume button at 26002 and 26010, Maison da Silva upvoted my FBH report and escalated it, he can see the same problem.

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As I said earlier, VM is a completely different game.

Also, I don't have that missing sound problem on an old XPS 8700 that uses the Realtek High-Definition Audio driver, the problem is only on the newer desktops with Intel and Nvidia Audio drivers.

Almighty1 · Dec 11, 2023

@fg2001gf11F - there are two different I2C's. The I2C listed under Human Interface Devices, I have 2 of them as my machine also supports a optional Pen and those are always autogenerated and uses Microsoft:

but in order for some of the things in Human Interface Devices including the above I2C to even be detected, it requires the Intel Serial IO I2C to show up in the System Devices section as when I did the repair install, as it only showed:
Intel Serial IO GPIO with some Microsoft provided driver and nothing else with the Intel Serial IO GPIO name.

After installing the actual Intel Serial IO drivers, it showed:
Intel Serial IO GPIO
Intel Serial IO I2C
Intel Serial IO I2C
for 3 Intel Serial IO devices in total so the Intel Serial IO I2C is what made the Human Interface Devices section showed the I2C and everything else.

I wonder how many devices really has Realtek hardware as I know on my notebook, it starts as Intel audio drivers if you uninstall everything and then Realtek basically replaces the Intel audio drivers. While I have had a desktop with built in audio but I disabled it as I used a high-end SB Audigy 2ZS Platinum Pro, I have never had a desktop with internal graphics that is part of the CPU so that's probably the Intel Audio you are referring to which is part of the integrated Intel GPU.

fg2001gf11F · Dec 11, 2023

@Amighty1,
So many different variables!
I just backed up my Lenovo yoga 920 Laptop with UHD touch screen and upgrading to Build 26010 to see what else will pop up.
I'll get back with the results.

After that I'll restore my backup with current public build 22631.2792.

Edit:
Here it is at 26010.1000. the feedback sound on the volume adjust works fine and the volume button has the same color as volume slider bar.
Works just fine on this laptop.
No idea what MS is doing on the desktops that use Nvidia or Intel UHD 630 Display Audio.

Edition Windows 11 Pro Insider Preview
Version 23H2
Installed on ‎12/‎11/‎2023
OS build 26010.1000
Experience Windows Feature Experience Pack 1000.26010.1000.0

Almighty1 · Dec 11, 2023

@fg2001gf11F - The Intel Serial IO driver also contains Intel Serial IO UART , Intel Serial IO SPI which my device does not have. Ofcourse I don't have a Realtek Hardware Support Application device either which everyone else appears to have.

fg2001gf11F · Dec 11, 2023

Almighty1 said:
@fg2001gf11F - The Intel Serial IO driver also contains Intel Serial IO UART , Intel Serial IO SPI which my device does not have. Ofcourse I don't have a Realtek Hardware Support Application device either which everyone else appears to have.

Well, this is the second machine I have tried with 26010 with no problem with Sound feedback on the volume slider, nor the silly color difference on the volume button.
Not a coincidence that they both use the Realtek High Definition Audio with the speakers controlled directly by the Realtek audio out.

The 2 desktops with the problem, Dell XPS 8940 and XPS 8930, have external monitors with speakers, connected with HDMI or Display Ports to an NVIDIA RTX Display adapter.
I even tried moving the monitor HDMI connection to the built in Intel UHD 630 adapter and still got the same issue. Then I tried connecting speakers to the Realtek audio out and still did not work.
It is definitely another MS screwup, given that the same hardware works fine with any other insider build, R.P., Beta, Dev except for the last 2 Canary builds 26002 and 26010.

So much for their internal testing!

The other difference with these 2 that work correctly is that I skipped 26002 all together and upgraded directly form public build 22631 to 26010.
That will be my next test on one of the failing desktops.

Upgrading directly form Dev 23601 to Canary 26010 got me the normal sound behavior.

Now I have to see if there is some other update coming down with W.U. that may screw things up.
Stay tuned.

For now, it works normally selecting either output.

Fabler2 · Dec 12, 2023

fg2001gf11F said:
Thanks, for the explanation about the I2C drivers, my I2C drivers are all at version 22621.2506.
As for the sound feedback on the volume button at 26002 and 26010, Maison da Silva upvoted my FBH report and escalated it, he can see the same problem.

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aka.ms

As I said earlier, VM is a completely different game.
Also, I don't have that missing sound problem on an old XPS 8700 that uses the Realtek High-Definition Audio driver, the problem is only on the newer desktops with Intel and Nvidia Audio drivers.

I upvoted that. FB no longer shows the amount of feedback it's had

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