M.2 install question (s)

MisterEd · Feb 18, 2023

geneo said:
AMI native nvme support is only for drive access within the BIOS. It doesn't matter for Windows. I have native AMI nvme support turned on but use both Intel RST (which supports nvme) and Microsoft nvme drivers in Windows. So I would just leave it enabled in BIOS.

I have the same motherboard as the OP. I just checked my BIOS settings. By default, AMI NVME support is Disabled. Before you recommend that be Enabled can you prove why it should? I have read online where others have asked that question but nobody could answer it.

GARoss · Feb 18, 2023

SIW2 said:
if you set crystal disk to display 10[DEC] you will be able to understand it better

Function>Advanced Feature>Raw values>10[DEC]

then you can read the values in the right pane

Results with set Function/Advanced Feature/Raw Values/10[DEC]

wimorrison · Feb 18, 2023

Have you seen this?

Users say Samsung’s latest Pro SSDs have health problems

Samsung’s Pro 990 SSD might be dying faster than expected.

www.theverge.com

There are other posts about this on the web if you want to search for them.

PerpetualCycle · Feb 18, 2023

MisterEd said:
I have the same motherboard as the OP. I just checked my BIOS settings. By default, AMI NVME support is Disabled. Before you recommend that be Enabled can you prove why it should? I have read online where others have asked that question but nobody could answer it.

Then again it is enabled by default in my UEFI BIOS:

Code:

Setup Question    = AMI Native NVMe Driver Support
Map String    = AMI Native NVMe Driver Support
Token    =10AE    // Do NOT change this line
Offset    =8BB
Width    =01
BIOS Default    =[01]Enabled
Options    =[00]Disabled    // Move "*" to the desired Option
         *[01]Enabled

MisterEd · Feb 18, 2023

geneo said:

Then again it is enabled by default in my UEFI BIOS:

Code:

Setup Question    = AMI Native NVMe Driver Support
Map String    = AMI Native NVMe Driver Support
Token    =10AE    // Do NOT change this line
Offset    =8BB
Width    =01
BIOS Default    =[01]Enabled
Options    =[00]Disabled    // Move "*" to the desired Option
         *[01]Enabled

AMI Native NVMe Driver Support is disabled by default on the Asus Prime x370Pro motherboard. So what's your point? I'm waiting for a reason why it needs to be enabled.

PerpetualCycle · Feb 19, 2023

MisterEd said:
AMI Native NVMe Driver Support is disabled by default on the Asus Prime x370Pro motherboard. So what's your point? I'm waiting for a reason why it needs to be enabled.

So you reason that it is disabled by default on YOUR board (maybe that is true). I demonstrated that It is enabled by default on my Hero 13 z590 board. I based my opinion on experience and in how this MUST work. You are the one wanting to make a point - what is it besides your opinion with no justification and apparently wanting to argue?

As far as I know, the setting may be an anachronism, but having it enabled on my board works with two different nvme drivers enabled in Windows. The Windows nvme driver for nvme on the chipset PCI-E is Intel RST for the two drives I have in those m.2 slots, and the Windows nvme driver for my drive on the processor nvme m.2 slot is the standard Windows nvme. With the AMI nvme enabled in the EFI.

GARoss · Feb 22, 2023

Installed Samsung 980 PCIe® 3.0 NVMe SSD 1TB & new 3.0v MB battery. Removed old C drive SSD then clean install of Windows 11 Pro & now running v22H2 (OS Build 22621.1265.

The biggest issue was finding a M2/.4 metric thread screw to secure the drive to the MB. I did have to remove the graphic card for install. I also have a CRYORIG H7 Tower Cooler for the CPU which is huge & hung over the M.2 slot slightly. No big deal.

Did not have to make changes in BIOS for the new NVMe M.2 drive. BIOS seems intuitive. I let the computer in sleep mode for a few hours without issues.

I consider my post solved. Thanks to everyone who offered suggestions.

MisterEd · Feb 22, 2023

GARoss said:
Installed Samsung 980 PCIe® 3.0 NVMe SSD 1TB & new 3.0v MB battery. Removed old C drive SSD then clean install of Windows 11 Pro & now running v22H2 (OS Build 22621.1265.

The biggest issue was finding a M2/.4 metric thread screw to secure the drive to the MB. I did have to remove the graphic card for install. I also have a CRYORIG H7 Tower Cooler for the CPU which is huge & hung over the M.2 slot slightly. No big deal.

Did not have to make changes in BIOS for the new NVMe M.2 drive. BIOS seems intuitive. I let the computer in sleep mode for a few hours without issues.

I consider my post solved. Thanks to everyone who offered suggestions.

Good to see you got everything working now. I am surprised you had to look for an M.2 screw. My ASUS Prime X370-Pro motherboard came with this screw. Did you check the box to make sure there wasn't one in it?

abactuon · Feb 22, 2023

MisterEd said:
AMI Native NVMe Driver Support

Googled it.

Highlights:
The most likely picture is as follows. NVMe drives are fairly new and not as common as conventional SSD SATA drives. This is why the bios may not see the NVMe drive when the PC is switched on, because more often than not, the boot drive is a regular HDD or SSD. Therefore, if you have the operating system installed on NVMe, I think you should enable this option.
This option can have two meanings - either it activates NVMe support in general or it only activates support in the bios, and then, after booting the operating system, the NVMe drive will appear anyway. Why is this needed? If AMI Native NVMe Driver Support is disabled - the bios can just boot a bit faster and the NVMe drive will be initialized already during OS boot.
Should it be enabled or not? If the system works stable - you can leave it off. If you bought a new NVMe and are planning to install it in your PC, I think you should turn it on.

GARoss · Feb 23, 2023

MisterEd said:
Good to see you got everything working now. I am surprised you had to look for an M.2 screw. My ASUS Prime X370-Pro motherboard came with this screw. Did you check the box to make sure there wasn't one in it?

I installed the MB 5 years ago & keep additional hardware in the original box. I searched high & low but never found a match. Got it working, that's what matters.

GARoss · Feb 23, 2023

abactuon said:
Googled it.

Highlights:
The most likely picture is as follows. NVMe drives are fairly new and not as common as conventional SSD SATA drives. This is why the bios may not see the NVMe drive when the PC is switched on, because more often than not, the boot drive is a regular HDD or SSD. Therefore, if you have the operating system installed on NVMe, I think you should enable this option.
This option can have two meanings - either it activates NVMe support in general or it only activates support in the bios, and then, after booting the operating system, the NVMe drive will appear anyway. Why is this needed? If AMI Native NVMe Driver Support is disabled - the bios can just boot a bit faster and the NVMe drive will be initialized already during OS boot.
Should it be enabled or not? If the system works stable - you can leave it off. If you bought a new NVMe and are planning to install it in your PC, I think you should turn it on.

As I said in post #47, "Did not have to make changes in BIOS for the new NVMe M.2 drive. BIOS seems intuitive. I let the computer in sleep mode for a few hours without issues."
As I had some odd issues with the Windows Insider version of Win 11 Pro & one recommendation was to replace the MB 3v battery. Another was to update BIOS to the latest version. Many here said my SSD driver was probably okay but, as moving back to the stable version of Windows 11 was to do a clean install, I decided to go with the much faster M.2 drive.
Replacing the 3v battery meant the need to reset BIOS. When booting into BIOS for the install, the M.2 was already found & set. I did nothing more in BIOS & haven't since the install.

MisterEd · Feb 23, 2023

GARoss said:
As I said in post #47, "Did not have to make changes in BIOS for the new NVMe M.2 drive. BIOS seems intuitive. I let the computer in sleep mode for a few hours without issues."
As I had some odd issues with the Windows Insider version of Win 11 Pro & one recommendation was to replace the MB 3v battery. Another was to update BIOS to the latest version. Many here said my SSD driver was probably okay but, as moving back to the stable version of Windows 11 was to do a clean install, I decided to go with the much faster M.2 drive.
Replacing the 3v battery meant the need to reset BIOS. When booting into BIOS for the install, the M.2 was already found & set. I did nothing more in BIOS & haven't since the install.

After you changed the battery did you check your BIOS settings? One thing for sure you need to do is set the RAM settings to D.O.C.P.. Otherwise the RAM will run at the default 2133MHz. Note this motherboard uses D.O.C.P. instead of XMP.

GARoss · Feb 24, 2023

MisterEd said:
After you changed the battery did you check your BIOS settings? One thing for sure you need to do is set the RAM settings to D.O.C.P.. Otherwise the RAM will run at the default 2133MHz. Note this motherboard uses D.O.C.P. instead of XMP.

I went through every BIOS setting & took a photo of each setting. Then replaced the 3v & installed the M.2. Back into BIOS I updated every setting in BIOS including D.O.P.C. before moving on to the clean install.

KWEB · Feb 26, 2023

Make sure you have a magnetized screw driver. Just upgraded an SSD and that is the only way to put the
screw back in.

bobkn · Feb 26, 2023

KWEB said:
Make sure you have a magnetized screw driver. Just upgraded an SSD and that is the only way to put the
screw back in.

Or get an Asus motherboard. The newer ones use no screws for the M.2 drives. (A little cam is used instead.)

TVeblen · Feb 26, 2023

MSI motherboards too!

Scott · Feb 26, 2023

KWEB said:
Make sure you have a magnetized screw driver. Just upgraded an SSD and that is the only way to put the
screw back in.

If you don't, make one. All you need is a magnet. Strike the screw driver on the magnet in one direction several times. Instant magnetized screw driver. A lot of LED flashlights nowadays have a magnet on one end.

bobkn said:
Or get an Asus motherboard. The newer ones use no screws for the M.2 drives. (A little cam is used instead.)

My Asus mobo uses those little cams, but the heat sinks use those dang little screws.

bobkn · Feb 26, 2023

Scott said:
If you don't, make one. All you need is a magnet. Strike the screw driver on the magnet in one direction several times. Instant magnetized screw driver. A lot of LED flashlights nowadays have a magnet on one end.

My Asus mobo uses those little cams, but the heat sinks use those dang little screws.

The screws on my M.2 heatsink are captive, if I don't unscrew them too far.

I have a magnetic retriever that I've had to use, on occasion. And, yes, a magnetic screwdriver can be very handy.

KWEB · Feb 27, 2023

I got my screwdriver magnetized which made it very easy to insert the screw. I had nothing to magnetize it with
until a friend gave me an electrical tool to do it.