Microsoft is blocking Windows 11 build upgrades on systems with StartAllBack

Try3 · Apr 7, 2024

Winuser said:
Tihiy has stated on the StartAllBack forum that he doesn't know why MS is hard blocking his app.

A Guy said:
More from Moonnique at VC (who works for MS BTW)
"This is probably because Microsoft will also remove these old functions from Windows 11 in the near future."

That seems to me to be a perfectly rational explanation.
If StartAllBack & ExplorerPatcher are making use of relics that MS has not yet bothered removing then it might well be game over when they do eventually get removed.
@brondavies has posted links to a new equivalent utility.

Denis

Winuser · Apr 7, 2024

Try3 said:
That seems to me to be a perfectly rational explanation.
If StartAllBack & ExplorerPatcher are making use of relics that MS has not yet bothered removing then it might well be game over when they do eventually get removed.

I'm sure that this can or will happen with future Windows releases. I'm running the Insider Canary builds and StartAllBack on both of my desktops and can say this about StartAllBack. Whenever I upgrade to a newer build, if StartAllBack notices and changes that may cause problems I get a warning and StartAllBack will not load unless I Ok it. Not only that but I'm a make an image first before updating person.

antspants · Apr 7, 2024

Winuser said:
Tihiy has stated on the StartAllBack forum that he doesn't know why MS is hard blocking his app.

I don’t know this person but I call BS on him not knowing. Even Dennis knows as do others, it’s been stated why

A Guy even just posted why

Microsoft is blocking Windows 11 build upgrades on systems with StartAllBack

Wasn't an issue in the past. Why all of a sudden on April 3, 2024? Probably it's because everyone would believe them if they had done it on April 1, 2024.

www.elevenforum.com

Tihiy Is the only one who doesn’t? Ok.

antspants · Apr 7, 2024

Helpful post by @Wolfzz

Here are the apps that could block you from upgrading to Windows 11 version 24H2

https://www.neowin.net/news/here-are-the-apps-that-could-block-you-from-upgrading-to-windows-11-version-24h2/ ConisioAdmin.exe (Solidworks PDM) EaseUS Disk Copy.exe (EaseUS Disk Copy Application) ep_dwm.exe (ExplorerPatcher) Included since 22H2 iCloudServices.exe...

www.elevenforum.com

Edwin · Apr 7, 2024

Try3 said:
... when they do eventually get removed.

That's what bothers me!
I'm not at all confident with the direction Windows is taking, especially within the Explorer environment.

Edwin · Apr 7, 2024

And..., what the hell is the UWP Explorer still doing lurking in the woodwork!?!?!?

Winuser · Apr 7, 2024

antspants said:
I don’t know this person but I call BS on him not knowing. Even Dennis knows as do others, it’s been stated why

A Guy even just posted why

Was it BS? Do you know if Tihiy made the statement before that was posted or after ? Do you know if Tihiy even saw the article? I'm sure he knows about it now but I bet he made that statement before he knew what was going on.

antspants · Apr 7, 2024

Winuser said:
Was it BS? Do you know if Tihiy made the statement before that was posted or after ? Do you know if Tihiy even saw the article? I'm sure he knows about it now but I bet he made that statement before he knew what was going on.

I only know what you quoted him on. Why would you state it if you weren’t talking about his current stance on the situation? Just a little odd.

You said

Tihiy has stated on the StartAllBack forum that he doesn't know why MS is hard blocking his app.

You didn’t say Tihiy had stated, and now he knows.

antspants · Apr 7, 2024

Read this timeline of our conversation so you can understand why I called BS

antspants said:
I’d wager that SAB has reached out to Microsoft and will make changes to SAB accordingly.

Winuser said:
Tihiy has stated on the StartAllBack forum that he doesn't know why MS is hard blocking his app.

antspants said:
I don’t know this person but I call BS on him not knowing.

Can you see it?
It’s nothing personal. I try and follow a conversation. I comment on what was stated.

Winuser · Apr 7, 2024

antspants said:
I only know what you quoted him on. Why would you state it if you weren’t talking about his current stance on the situation? Just a little odd.

My post was about the current stance at the time of his post.

antspants said:
You didn’t say Tihiy had stated, and now he knows.

That's because I don't know if he now knows about the reason why his app being blocked by MS.

antspants · Apr 7, 2024

Winuser said:
My post was about the current stance at the time of his post.

I’d of understood if you had of said that. HAS stated would indicate a current stance. HAD stated would of suggested a past stance?

Anyway

Wolfzz has posted some helpful information:

#1

Brink has followed up with an explanation:

#13

Winuser · Apr 7, 2024

antspants said:
Read this timeline of our conversation so you can understand why I called BS

At the time of my post the only info I had was that Tihiy said he didn't know why his app was being blocked.

antspants · Apr 7, 2024

Winuser said:
At the time of my post the only info I had was that Tihiy said he didn't know why his app was being blocked.

And I responded to that. It’s all good, winuser

Edwin · Apr 7, 2024

All bull-

aside...,
I still think, while MS has every right, the sudden tactless move on MS's part still makes them look bad!

antspants · Apr 7, 2024

Edwin said:
All bull- aside...,
I still think, while MS has every right, the sudden tactless move on MS's part still makes them look bad!

But did you see Woulfzz post? Even Microsoft stuff is in the list, and Shawn's post about why this happens is perfectly rational IMO
And… it still works. Especially for public releases, but also 24H2 if the exe is renamed. Edwin, I am having trouble trying to understand the drama of it all?

antspants · Apr 7, 2024

But I especially noted A Guy’s post from a member of the Microsoft team.

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A Guy said:
More from Moonnique at VC (who works for MS BTW)

With Windows 11 / Windows 12 24H2 26100
Microsoft has expanded the list of blocked programs.
So far this includes ExplorerPatcher and StartAllBack.
Both small tools to bring the old taskbar or the old Windows 10 start menu back to light, among other things.

If you want to install one of the two programs after installing it, you will receive a warning.
This is not the first time that Microsoft has specifically added programs to a block list.
This is probably because Microsoft will also remove these old functions from Windows 11 in the near future.

There were first signs in a Canary Insider with an ID, when activated, that these old functions can no longer be accessed.
But fortunately, as always, Microsoft has blacklisted the entire setup name.
For example, if you rename the installer from StartAllBack.. .exe to sab.exe, the installation will start normally again.
It works the same way with ExplorerPatcher.

It may well be that other programs make it onto the list of blocked programs.
Microsoft still has time to fill the list until the general start of Windows 11 24H2 / Windows 12 24H2 in September 2024.

Winuser · Apr 7, 2024

antspants said:
I’d of understood if you had of said that. HAS stated would indicate a current stance. HAD stated would of suggested a past stance?

I understand what you're saying but my using the word Has wasn't wrong. has stated | English examples in context | Ludwig.

Edwin · Apr 7, 2024

antspants said:
Edwin, I am having trouble trying to understand the drama of it all?

This is the way I see it:
Windows has always been capable of miraculous things, but, MS no longer wants Windows to be capable of miraculous things!!!

"My way or the highway" comes to mind!

Edwin · Apr 7, 2024

I use SAB, QTTabBar and a couple other small utilities..., if any of those stop working, I'll be p*ssed!
I've tried working within the native W11 Explorer, it pretty much brings my productivity to a grinding halt!