Microsoft says thank you Windows Insiders to help shape Windows 11

Superfly · Oct 11, 2021

BunnyJ said:
Businesses don't want their employees customizing the UI. They want a standard interface that will make it easy to maintain.

True... permissions are severely limited in a business environment.

PerpetualCycle · Oct 11, 2021

BunnyJ said:
Businesses don't want their employees customizing the UI. They want a standard interface that will make it easy to maintain.

While I agree with that, it has nothing to do with what I said. They made the default Windows 11 interface less efficient to use when they could have kept the more efficient Windows 10 interface and took away the ability to customize. But that is not what they did. I see no rhyme or reason to this choice except that they felt they had to do something different to be able to lable it a new Windows version, and taking things away is easy.

BunnyJ · Oct 11, 2021

geneo said:
While I agree with that, it has nothing to do with what I said. They made the default Windows 11 interface less efficient when they could have kept the more efficient Windows 10 interface and took away the ability to customize. But that is not what they did.

The issue is that what you find less efficient others may not. While customization sounds nice it's a nightmare when it comes to fixing issues.

TraderGary · Oct 11, 2021

I've got my Windows 11 Pro set up the way I like.
I can get to all my applications and utilities quickly.
Everything is fast and works the way I would expect.
I've had no problems and I really do like the new UI.

PerpetualCycle · Oct 11, 2021

BunnyJ said:
The issue is that what you find less efficient others may not. While customization sounds nice it's a nightmare when it comes to fixing issues.

Common, that sounds apologist. Having to do more mouse clicks in the context menus to do the same thing is not more efficent for anybody. Having to do more steps to open an application from the start menu is not more efficent for anybody. Tell me something that is easier or faster to do.

BunnyJ · Oct 11, 2021

geneo said:
Common, that sounds apologist. Having to do more mouse clicks in the context menus to do the same thing is not more efficent for anybody. Having to do more steps to open an application from the start menu is not more efficent for anybody. Tell me something that is easier or faster to do.

Again.. what's less efficient to you may not be to others.

PerpetualCycle · Oct 11, 2021

BunnyJ said:
Again.. what's less efficient to you may not be to others.

Again, name me one more thing about the 11 UI that is more efficient.

BunnyJ · Oct 11, 2021

geneo said:
Again, name me one more thing about the 11 UI that is more efficient.

I'm not playing that game.. #Done

iPanda032 · Oct 11, 2021

Just because someone may not think it's inefficient doesn't mean it's not inefficient though. Like someone might think it's perfectly fine to loosen lug nuts to 4 wheels by hand with a socket wrench. But someone with an impact wrench could get the same task done much faster.

PerpetualCycle · Oct 11, 2021

BunnyJ said:
I'm not playing that game.. #Done

I thought not. It wasn't a game. I was just asking you to back up your statement with some fact.

BunnyJ · Oct 11, 2021

geneo said:
I thought not. It wasn't a game.

Gee.. don't know when to stop?? #Plonk

PerpetualCycle · Oct 11, 2021

No. Not when you make some nebulous claims and I ask you to support them and then you say I should stop.

iPanda032 · Oct 11, 2021

Flippant responses tend to generate the opposite of what one wants.

BunnyJ · Oct 11, 2021

iPanda032 said:
Flippant responses tend to generate the opposite of what one wants.

Oh.. it's silly to argue over what's 'efficient'. To some one thing is less efficient and to others it's not., See.. it's all subjective.

TraderGary · Oct 11, 2021

WindowsKey + 1 = Edge
WindowsKey + 2 = Outlook
WindowsKey + 3 = OneNote
WindowsKey + 4 = File Explorer
etc. for the rest of my most used apps.

For less used apps:
WindowsKey and click on app icon

How can using an OS be any easier to use than this?

iPanda032 · Oct 11, 2021

BunnyJ said:
Oh.. it's silly to argue over what's 'efficient'. To some one thing is less efficient and to others it's not., See.. it's all subjective.

Perhaps you can make that argument in an OS UX. But from a manufacturing standpoint or similar efficiency can be demonstrable. Where less steps or moves can speed things up. Since UX isn't necessarily used in a repetitive manner all the time especially in a consumer scenario then yes, it's highly subjective. And automation scripts could take care of that I suppose. So the User experience itself for people that need to interact with the OS. That could be argued one way or the other.

BunnyJ · Oct 11, 2021

iPanda032 said:
Perhaps you can make that argument in an OS UX. But from a manufacturing standpoint or similar efficiency can be demonstrable. Where less steps or moves can speed things up. Since UX isn't necessarily used in a repetative manner all the time especially in a consumer scenario then yes, it's highly subjective. And automation scripts could take care of that I suppose. So the User experience itself for people that need to interact with the OS. That could be argued one way or the other.

Thing is we're not talking about a mfg environment were talking about an OS and they're different.. Some users are used to doing things a certain way and they have become fast at doing it.
My 2c.. Now.. I'm done.

Badger · Oct 11, 2021

BunnyJ said:
Thing is we're not talking about a mfg environment were talking about an OS and they're different.. Some users are used to doing things a certain way and they have become fast at doing it.
My 2c.. Now.. I'm done.

Why not admit it, some of you folks get your rocks off arguing back and forth. lol

PerpetualCycle · Oct 11, 2021

iPanda032 said:
Flippant responses tend to generate the opposite of what one wants.

If you were referring to me, I was not being flippant.

It takes more steps to do the same thing in Windows 11 AS 10. It is not subjective. If you use the context menus you often have to go to show more options to find what your need. In the start menu, MS have taken away named "folders" for a convenient one step organization to get to often used apps. In the start menu you used to be able to access all apps without a second mouse click. Just select a number or letter and you would be there. I don't know how dumbing this down and making it more difficult to get somewhere makes this more suitable for a business environment. That is all. I can live with that, but not that it was justified in any way. I would be glad to know of something that is more efficient in 11 UI or how business interests drove the UI changes.

flashh4 · Oct 12, 2021

A lot of speculation about who will like it & who will use it ! Myself i like this W11 Beta and will like the new full version if it's along the same lines ! Why not wait & see what it's like then make your opinions/decisions !!
Chuck