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My PC currently has a Ryzen 3 3200G and while I like it I want to do one more upgrade this coming Feb with my tax return money. The question is this.. which one should I get??

Option one.. the Ryzen 5 3600 series.. it’s 6 core/12 thread - right now 300.
Option two.. the Ryzen 7 3800 series.. it’s 8 core/16 thread. - right now 340,

Both are about the same price and I can use them on my current motherboard.

What I’m wondering is will it be worth the cost and time to get a new processor? Will it perform that much better? Yes,, I compared them and the new ones are overall much better but I want some more input into this decision
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Here's a quick comparison of the two chips you're looking to buy:


Perhaps it might help you with your decision. Overall, the Ryzen 7 3800X is faster and has more cache. I think I have the same CPUs you mention purchasing.
 

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Here's a quick comparison of the two chips you're looking to buy:


Perhaps it might help you with your decision. Overall, the Ryzen 7 3800X is faster and has more cache. I think I have the same CPUs you mention purchasing.
Thanks.,, I will have enough to get either one in Feb and I thought.. why not? Oh and I do have a Ryzen 3 2200G that I can sell to get more funds for the new processor.
 

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For that price difference, definitely get the 3800x over the 3600.

The upgrade will make your device a much better performer compared to that 3200G.

But keep in mind, you will also need a GPU if you upgrade. The new CPUs don't have built in GPU.
 

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Just noticed you have a GeForce GTX TITAN X 12GB

So not an issue for you. :wink:
 

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For that price difference, definitely get the 3800x over the 3600.

The upgrade will make your device a much better performer compared to that 3200G.

But keep in mind, you will also need a GPU if you upgrade. The new CPUs don't have built in GPU.
And I have on installed already. I was gifted one from a member of the forum. It's a Geforce GTX Titan X., and it's amazing. I just want a better processor to mach up with it.
 

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Yeah id def go with the 3800x. the 8 core 16 threads will be a nice little bit of future proofing over the 6 core/12thread, For such little difference i money id just get the 3800x if possible. I did read a few things about the 3800x not being the greatest of pairs with a b350 board, but it will work, Depends what you do really. Someone with the same board couldn't get it to boot, even with a bios and chipset update. Again i dont the specifics of it, good chance there was an issue elsewhere considering its officially supported. Think most recommend a b450 board for the 3800x
 

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Yeah id def go with the 3800x. the 8 core 16 threads will be a nice little bit of future proofing over the 6 core/12thread, For such little difference i money id just get the 3800x if possible. I did read a few things about the 3800x not being the greatest of pairs with a b350 board, but it will work, Depends what you do really. Someone with the same board couldn't get it to boot, even with a bios and chipset update. Again i dont the specifics of it, good chance there was an issue elsewhere considering its officially supported. Think most recommend a b450 board for the 3800x
I'll look into getting a new motherboard.
 

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I'll look into getting a new motherboard.
Might not be necessary. Just what I found from a few forum posts elsewhere. Im sure it'll be fine. Might just be a few things to do like bios update/chipset update prior to the switch over. Just worth reading into I guess. You know you're stuff so I'm sure whatever you go with will be sufficient!
 

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If you decide to get a new MB, then get a B550 they are quite cheap but good and support latest Ryzens with ease too
 

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If you decide to get a new MB, then get a B550 they are quite cheap but good and support latest Ryzens with ease too
I did some homework on the motherboard I have and it will support the 3800x and I have the latest BIOS and chipset from AMD for it. So... I should be set
 

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I don't use AMD processors, so can't express any opinion on the relative 'speed' of the two processors mentioned, or what real differences you would see in use, but, if you ever (want to) use Virtual Machines then definitely go for the CPU with highest (physical) Core count as that allows you more 'surplus' resources to play with.
 

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I'll look into getting a new motherboard.
If you do get a new MB, see if the CPU works with your current MB first. Don't open the new MB. You can always return it if you get it from Amazon. You'll have the new MB just in case and won't have to wait. I'm sure you don't want the downtime.
 

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Personally, I would skip the 3800X and go to the 3900X.

As for the motherboards... the 500 series motherboards have PCIe x16 4.0, as opposed to 3.0.
 
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    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA RTX 2070 (08G-P4-2171-KR)
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC1220P / ALC S1220A
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dell U3011 30"
    Screen Resolution
    2560 x 1600
    Hard Drives
    2x Samsung 860 EVO 500GB,
    WD 4TB Black FZBX - SATA III,
    WD 8TB Black FZBX - SATA III,
    DRW-24B1ST CD/DVD Burner
    PSU
    PC Power & Cooling 750W Quad EPS12V
    Case
    Cooler Master ATCS 840 Tower
    Cooling
    CM Hyper 212 EVO (push/pull)
    Keyboard
    Ducky DK9008 Shine II Blue LED
    Mouse
    Logitech Optical M-100
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    300/300
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    Bitdefender Internet Security
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    Speakers: Klipsch Pro Media 2.1
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    Manufacturer/Model
    Built by Ghot® (not in use)
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    AMD Athlon 64 X2 5000+ (OC'd @ 3.2Ghz)
    Motherboard
    ASUS M2N32-SLI Deluxe Wireless Edition
    Memory
    TWIN2X2048-6400C4DHX (2 x 1GB, DDR2 800)
    Graphics card(s)
    EVGA 256-P2-N758-TR GeForce 8600GT SSC
    Sound Card
    Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    ViewSonic G90FB Black 19" Professional (CRT)
    Screen Resolution
    up to 2048 x 1536
    Hard Drives
    WD 36GB 10,000rpm Raptor SATA
    Seagate 80GB 7200rpm SATA
    Lite-On LTR-52246S CD/RW
    Lite-On LH-18A1P CD/DVD Burner
    PSU
    PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750 Quad EPS12V
    Case
    Generic Beige case, 80mm fans
    Cooling
    ZALMAN 9500A 92mm CPU Cooler
    Mouse
    Logitech Optical M-BT96a
    Keyboard
    Logitech Classic Keybooard 200
    Internet Speed
    300/300
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    Firefox 3.x ??
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    Symantec (Norton)
    Other Info
    Still assembled, still runs. Haven't turned it on for 13 years?

    http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?183088-5000-B-E-on-M2N32-SLI-Dlx-Overclocked&p=2891724#post2891724

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I'll look into getting a new motherboard.
Then you have to check latest generation CPUs... Ryzen 5 5600x isn't much more.
 

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    Windows 10 Pro, Windows 11 Dev
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    PC/Desktop
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    Homebuilt
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    Intel I3 10100
    Motherboard
    ASUS B460M
    Memory
    16 GB DDR4 Crucial
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel on chip
    Sound Card
    Realtek onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    ASUS 24, LG 24
    Screen Resolution
    Full HD x 2
    Hard Drives
    kingston A2000 NVMe PCIe 500 GB
    PSU
    LC Power 650W
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    Noname
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    Air 2x 120mm
    Keyboard
    Cherry G-81
    Mouse
    Logitech M500
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    100/20
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    Firefox, Vivaldi
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    MS Defender
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    Windows 10 Home
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    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS/Vivobook Flip 14
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    Ryzen 7 4700u
    Memory
    8 GB DDR4
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    AMD Vega
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    14"
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...the endless rabbit hole... 😂

...yes, a 5000-series CPU would be the absolutely best option. But they cost a bit more atm.
 

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    Windows 11 Pro build 10.0.25324.1011 (Canary Channel)
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    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Lenovo A485
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    Ryzen 7 2700U Pro
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    Lenovo (WiFi/BT module upgraded to Intel Wireless-AC-9260)
    Memory
    32GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    iGPU Vega 10
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    Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    14" FHD (built-in) + 14" Lenovo Thinkvision M14t (touch+pen) + 32" Asus PB328
    Screen Resolution
    FHD + FHD + 1440p
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    Intel 660p m.2 nVME PCIe3.0 x2 512GB
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    65W
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    Thinkpad
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    Logitech MX Master 2S
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    600/300Mbit
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    WSA: Installed
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    AMD-V: Enabled
    VBS: Enabled
    HVCI: Enabled
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    Windows 11 Pro build 10.0.22623.1037 (Release Preview Channel)
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    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom
    CPU
    i7-7700k @4.8GHz
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    Asus PRIME Z270-A
    Memory
    32GB 2x16GB 2133MHz CL15
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    EVGA GTX1080Ti FTW 11GB
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    Integrated
    Monitor(s) Displays
    32" 10-bit Asus PB328Q
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    WQHD 2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    512GB ADATA SX8000NP NVMe PCIe Gen 3 x4
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    850W
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    Fractal Design Define 7
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    Noctua NH-D15 chromax.black
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 2S
    Keyboard
    Logitech MX Keys
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    600/300Mbit
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...the endless rabbit hole... 😂

...yes, a 5000-series CPU would be the absolutely best option. But they cost a bit more atm.
Price difference is surprisingly narrow here in Europe. 3600X vs 5600X is like 10€ difference.
 

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    Windows 10 Pro, Windows 11 Dev
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    Homebuilt
    CPU
    Intel I3 10100
    Motherboard
    ASUS B460M
    Memory
    16 GB DDR4 Crucial
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel on chip
    Sound Card
    Realtek onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    ASUS 24, LG 24
    Screen Resolution
    Full HD x 2
    Hard Drives
    kingston A2000 NVMe PCIe 500 GB
    PSU
    LC Power 650W
    Case
    Noname
    Cooling
    Air 2x 120mm
    Keyboard
    Cherry G-81
    Mouse
    Logitech M500
    Internet Speed
    100/20
    Browser
    Firefox, Vivaldi
    Antivirus
    MS Defender
  • Operating System
    Windows 10 Home
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    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS/Vivobook Flip 14
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    Ryzen 7 4700u
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    8 GB DDR4
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    AMD Vega
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    Realtek onboard
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    14"
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    FullHD
    Hard Drives
    512 Samsung NVMe PCIe
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    -
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    Laptop
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Price difference is surprisingly narrow here in Europe. 3600X vs 5600X is like 10€ difference.
Yeah, just noticed. Didn't realize the prices has dropped that much
 

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    Windows 11 Pro build 10.0.25324.1011 (Canary Channel)
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    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Lenovo A485
    CPU
    Ryzen 7 2700U Pro
    Motherboard
    Lenovo (WiFi/BT module upgraded to Intel Wireless-AC-9260)
    Memory
    32GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    iGPU Vega 10
    Sound Card
    Realtek
    Monitor(s) Displays
    14" FHD (built-in) + 14" Lenovo Thinkvision M14t (touch+pen) + 32" Asus PB328
    Screen Resolution
    FHD + FHD + 1440p
    Hard Drives
    Intel 660p m.2 nVME PCIe3.0 x2 512GB
    PSU
    65W
    Keyboard
    Thinkpad
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 2S
    Internet Speed
    600/300Mbit
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    Edge (Chromium)
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    Windows Defender
    Other Info
    WSA: Installed
    SecureBoot: Enabled
    TPM2.0: Enabled
    AMD-V: Enabled
    VBS: Enabled
    HVCI: Enabled
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro build 10.0.22623.1037 (Release Preview Channel)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom
    CPU
    i7-7700k @4.8GHz
    Motherboard
    Asus PRIME Z270-A
    Memory
    32GB 2x16GB 2133MHz CL15
    Graphics card(s)
    EVGA GTX1080Ti FTW 11GB
    Sound Card
    Integrated
    Monitor(s) Displays
    32" 10-bit Asus PB328Q
    Screen Resolution
    WQHD 2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    512GB ADATA SX8000NP NVMe PCIe Gen 3 x4
    PSU
    850W
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    Fractal Design Define 7
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    Noctua NH-D15 chromax.black
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    Logitech MX Master 2S
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    Logitech MX Keys
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If you do get a new MB, see if the CPU works with your current MB first. Don't open the new MB. You can always return it if you get it from Amazon. You'll have the new MB just in case and won't have to wait. I'm sure you don't want the downtime.
I just double checked and the 3800X will work with my current motherboard.
 

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    Banna Junior 7000 - X Series
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    Ryzen 7 2700X
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    Asus Crosshair VII Hero, X470
    Memory
    Gskill 32GB, 16GBX2 PC3000
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    GeForce GTX TITAN X 12GB
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    Realtek (R) Audio
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    ASUS VP28UQG 28" 4K, Viotek 32" 1080p
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    4K 3840 x 2160
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    Primary Samsung 256 SSD
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    EVGA BQ 700w 80+ Bronze
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    NZXT 510
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    AMD Wraith Prism LED
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Then you have to check latest generation CPUs... Ryzen 5 5600x isn't much more.
I'll keep that in mind but I really just want to keep my current motherboard.
 

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    Windows 11 Home - 22H2
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    PC/Desktop
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    Banna Junior 7000 - X Series
    CPU
    Ryzen 7 2700X
    Motherboard
    Asus Crosshair VII Hero, X470
    Memory
    Gskill 32GB, 16GBX2 PC3000
    Graphics Card(s)
    GeForce GTX TITAN X 12GB
    Sound Card
    Realtek (R) Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    ASUS VP28UQG 28" 4K, Viotek 32" 1080p
    Screen Resolution
    4K 3840 x 2160
    Hard Drives
    Primary Samsung 256 SSD
    PSU
    EVGA BQ 700w 80+ Bronze
    Case
    NZXT 510
    Cooling
    AMD Wraith Prism LED
    Keyboard
    Corsair
    Mouse
    Amazon Generic with Cord
    Internet Speed
    Download: 350.50 mbps Upload: 12.02 mbps Ping: 15ms
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    Firefox, Chrome and Edge
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    MS - Defender

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