Rufus: The Reliable USB Formatting Utility

pigpenz · May 3, 2023

rufus is a favorite

Winuser · May 3, 2023

hsehestedt said:
I guess I am the complete opposite. I prefer to know how to do things with zero third-party tools (where possible), no matter how complex

There was a time I felt the same way. I very rarely do clean installs so for me it makes sense to use Rufus to bypass the thing MS is going to install or setup that I don't want.

Winuser · May 3, 2023

johnlgalt said:
Windows for Workgroups was v3.11

My very first Windows OS. The desktop was a Packard Bell with a 386 cpu. I forget the HDD size and memory. It was also my first computer that used a mouse. The mouse had a mind of its own and I remember thinking of why everyone was happy using a mouse. I later found out that the mouse was defective and had to get Packard Bell to replace it. The girl I talked to at the store where I bought it gave me a support phone number that wasn't supposed to be given to customers. The tech supporter started to get upset that I was given the number. A big mistake on her part. I think when I was done with her, she learned a few new words that shouldn't be used in mixed company.

johnlgalt · May 3, 2023

Seems we all have history here.

My first actual computer, courtesy of my parents, was the cartridge-based TI 99-4/A, with which I used a cassette tape for making backups of the programs I was learning to write in BASIC.

My first PC clone was that Tandy 1000 EX with the 360K internal floppy, and a second 360K Floppy external, with a 9pin DM Printer.

The one with the 14.4k modem was a Gateway 2000 486 SX/25, with 1 MB RAM (I later maxed the mobo to 8 MB), a ... 100 or 120 MB HD (I later expanded those to a pair of Conners, 425 MB on IDE Ch 1 and 850 MB on IDE CH2). We had to wait about 6 months for the modem, though, after purchase and delivery, because either they were back-ordered (it was a package deal my folks bought) or else the demand was so high that ... they were back-ordered. Lol.

I have a lot of the older DOS still in .IMG formats, but I deleted all the old 2.11 and 3.0/1/2 images I had.

This is the list of the boot discs I still have lying around for DOS / Windows:

Code:

 Volume in drive H is Backups
 Volume Serial Number is B81E-1177

 Directory of H:\ISOs\_All\Boot Discs

30-May-22  14:58    <DIR>          .
21-Sep-22  14:29    <DIR>          ..
07-Dec-99  13:00         1,474,560 CDBOOT1.IMG
23-Jan-14  01:55           941,342 cdboot1.zip
07-Dec-99  13:00         1,474,560 CDBOOT2.IMG
23-Jan-14  01:55         1,076,814 cdboot2.zip
07-Dec-99  13:00         1,474,560 CDBOOT3.IMG
23-Jan-14  01:55           745,894 cdboot3.zip
07-Dec-99  13:00         1,474,560 CDBOOT4.IMG
23-Jan-14  01:55           751,725 cdboot4.zip
30-May-22  14:58    <DIR>          DOS 3.3
30-May-22  14:58    <DIR>          DOS 4.01
30-May-22  14:58    <DIR>          DOS 5.0
30-May-22  14:58    <DIR>          DOS 6.0
30-May-22  14:58    <DIR>          DOS 6.21
30-May-22  14:58    <DIR>          DOS 6.22
09-Feb-06  19:26         2,926,592 Magic_Boot_Disk_ISO_v2.0.iso
23-Jan-14  01:47            25,882 makeboot.exe
23-Jan-14  01:55            70,928 makebt32.exe
30-May-22  14:58    <DIR>          Win 95a
30-May-22  14:58    <DIR>          Win 95b
30-May-22  14:58    <DIR>          Win 98
30-May-22  14:58    <DIR>          Win 98 NoRamDisk
30-May-22  14:58    <DIR>          Win 98 SE
30-May-22  14:58    <DIR>          Win 98 SE NoRamDisk
30-May-22  14:58    <DIR>          Win ME
30-May-22  14:58    <DIR>          Win ME NoRamDisk
30-May-22  14:58    <DIR>          Win2000 AdvServer
30-May-22  14:58    <DIR>          Win2000 Pro
30-May-22  14:58    <DIR>          Win2000 Server
23-Jan-14  01:55         4,608,744 WindowsXP-KB310994-SP2-Pro-BootDisk-ENU.exe
30-May-22  14:58    <DIR>          WinNT 3.51
30-May-22  14:58    <DIR>          WinNT 4.0 Server
30-May-22  14:58    <DIR>          WinNT 4.0 TerminalServer
30-May-22  14:58    <DIR>          WinNT 4.0 Workstation
30-May-22  14:58    <DIR>          WinXP Home
30-May-22  14:58    <DIR>          WinXP Home SP 1
30-May-22  14:58    <DIR>          WinXP Home SP 2
30-May-22  14:58    <DIR>          WinXP Pro
30-May-22  14:58    <DIR>          WinXP Pro SP 1
30-May-22  14:58    <DIR>          WinXP Pro SP 2
              12 File(s)     17,046,161 bytes
              29 Dir(s)  687,578,669,056 bytes free

john1955 · May 3, 2023

johnlgalt said:
Seniors, elders, and those not familiar with things like command line execution and the like, as well as people who don't have time to learn these things, or simply do not want to, and for them, these sort of tools are good. Would you attempt to teach your 85+ year old mother / grand mother / great grand mother these things that you can do?

I won't try even mentioning DISM to my 70+ yo Mom, nor my 80+ yo Dad. I can do these things just fine. But I also realize that I am in the minority, because if the vast majority of people could do these things, then

The software probably would not exist, and

I would probably not have made a career in IT in the first place.

And as much as many of us with pro and guru level status are able to do things manually without 3rd party software, the vast majority of readers here are not Pro and Guru level folks. Out of those, very few will want to / need to / take the time to explore manual methods, for the reasons above.

It's why the software exists. It's also why DMG has all these wonderful forums - for those very people.

Good analogy.

johnlgalt said:
Ahhh, the days of FIDOnet, Legend of the Red Dragon, and owning one of the first 14.4K modems in my general area.

Windows for Workgroups was v3.11, regular Windows was v3.1.

I still have the floppies (3.5") for both.

I started out on (Tandy) DOS 2.11, if it helps. But where and when we started out has little bearing on Rufus, the software here.

As for Rufus versus Ventoy - I wholeheartedly agree with HDMI, they serve different purposes, and VenToy is as rock solid in its approach with modern computers as RMPrepUSB / Easy 2Boot is with older systems.

I've simply stopped using both Ventoy and RMPrep / Easy2 because I have 3x 1 TB NVMe SSDs in enclosures that are fully portable, and have much more capacity than any USB Flash device I have, and it is much, much more convenient to store .ISOs on them. I almost never use a USB to boot an .ISO anymore, but I have them ready along with Rufus if I ever need to make one in a flash.

I remember my first 14.4 modem. I still have my USR 56K V.Everything modem and it's actually in my computer. I needed to send a fax (according to the letter I got) to the California Franchise Tax Board a month ago so I plugged it in . . . It still works using Delrina WinFax Pro but the FTB fax machine never answered. Turns out I did not need to fax anything, just told the gal on the phone what they needed. I'll probably never use that thing again. I forgot the name of the BBS software I was using, I might still have it on a CD somewhere seeing as I still have Win-3.1 on a CD. I then used Forte' Newsgroup reader and then the News Groups died. I'm still using Qualcom Eudora email but it wont work on Windows 10-11. I can recieve but I cant send. But I could not get Windows 10 email client to work either so I installed Thunderbird. Oh, wait, what was the topic again . . .

jimbo45 · May 4, 2023

hdmi said:
In 1985, I started out on an MSX computer (Sony HB-75P, which has 64KB RAM─just like the Commodore 64) with tape cassette and I later bought a Philips VY-0010 floppy drive for it to make it run MSX-DOS from a single sided single density (360KB) 3.5″ floppy. I bought my 1st PC in 1989 and took a while before Windows 3.0 came out. I still have the 3.5″ floppies for both Windows 3.0 and 3.11 for Workgroups. I lost the ones for Windows 3.1.

I don't have that many image files (ISO or other image filetype), anyway to begin with. The pair of USB3 flash drives I have is just to be able to restore my Windows system partition from an image (with the bootable Rescue Media ISO file of Acronis) in the possible event that my 2TB Samsung 980 Pro SSD dies or if I can't repair my Windows 11 by doing an in-place upgrade. But I suspect that the risk of that ever happening is really very small. The 512GB Phison M.2 SATA SSD that came out of my laptop after I had bought the 2TB Samsung 980 Pro (on Cyber Monday of 2021) has been lying around gathering dust somewhere ever since, as I'm too lazy to buy an M.2 USB3 enclosure for the Phison SSD. I plan to buy another new laptop within less than a year from now. Probably then I will consider to get an NVMe (gen 4) USB-C enclosure for whatever the SSD will be inside this next laptop.

I watched the Belgian Luca Brecel in the Sheffield snooker final -- great stuff !!!

As for computer languages -- these days I'd go more for things like python -- very good for A.I, english like, Object orientated and easy to learn - often in countries with decent educational systems even taught in Primary schools - certainly seen it in the Flemish part of Brussels out towards Zaventem.

I started off with Fortran at UNI (was doing Elec Eng so needed basic computing) with a paper tape flexowriter and 80 byte punched cards!!! , then on a job where we had TSO and an IBM mainframe I used REXX which was at the time a really underplayed language - but also incredibly easy to learn and if I code anything these days it's either in python or in Linux Bash scripts.

Too many people though have a vested interest in keeping easy things secret or hidden so it can justify high salaries / costs of software.

For example it's easy enough to create a Wintogo via perfectly 100% bog standard windows commands -- no need for the paid Hasleo version which probably does much the same - but packaged up a bit differently.

Rufus is slightly different due to the problems of creating a hybrid dual boot from an iso which can work on both MBR and EFI bios machines - where booting from an EFI machine needs reading an actual EFI file from a disk rather than the MBR rec from the machines BIOS hardware especially if creating a Linux bootable "live" distro from an ISO image where the isolinux program needs to be included.

As a free program it works -- if people don't like it don't use it but I'm quite happy to use free (or even paid) 3rd party programs if they are easy to use and do the job. Modern 3rd party Anti Virus software for example especially for domestic machines is IMO a total disgrace these days - and unfortunately backing up the OS which should be a part of any OS's standard functions is now becoming only paid for software on Windows.

(Although you can use the FREE bootable gparted system for doing that (and a lot more). It's interface is very similar to typical partition managers used in Windows so Windows users shouldn't have any trouble in using it even though its based on Debian Linux -- a very stable OS). Handles RAID as well).

GParted -- Download

gparted.org

BTW another plus for python -- it's relatively easy to write an application on Windows and run it on Linux or vice versa. The libraries are similar. Don't worry about the internal API calls within Windows etc -- that's a one way task to nowhere unless you want to spend years entangling yourself with the internals of Windows. I just want to get something up and running as fast and efficiently as possile. I let the people who write the interpreters / compilers worry about all that stuff.

cheers
jimbo

Stigg · May 4, 2023

jimbo45 said:
I watched the Belgian Luca Brecel in the Sheffield snooker final -- great stuff !!!

cheers
jimbo

I used to love snooker. I still do. But I haven't played it in years.
Billiards is another great tactical game.

johnlgalt · May 4, 2023

john1955 said:
I remember my first 14.4 modem. I still have my USR 56K V.Everything modem and it's actually in my computer. I needed to send a fax (according to the letter I got) to the California Franchise Tax Board a month ago so I plugged it in

Ha! That was what I upgraded to as well, I think. Whichever it was, it started life as a USR 33.6K modem, with the promise of a 'soon to be available ' firmware update allowing for 56K speeds. I waited, and then bought the firmware upgrade, and .. still only received 32K speeds. If it ever connected at true 33.6 the connection was massively unstable, and I would drop shortly. But 32K(31.8 actual, I thin k?) and it was stable.

I wrestled with this for over a week, not understanding why I was stuck at 32K even to local BBSs that were running 56K speeds, with people I had physically met with and they verified to me they were at speed. Someone, somewhere, perhaps online or perhaps one of the SySops, gave me a telephone number to call USR to get my modem troubleshot.

While on the phone with the tech, he had me dial out with the modem (dedicated telco line for modem, thankfully) to a 'USR test line" that would perform tests on the signal from a connecting modem and output the results. He then sent me a tiny file that did all that and allowed me to test it on my own from my computer.

Turns out that that town I lived in, due to close proximity to the local AFB, had a few issues with telco lines. Specifically, in order to reach the local area PoP for telco lines, I was traversing not just one, but 3 complete DACs along the way, and thus my signal would never get any faster as long as I used dial-up.

Needless to say, broadband could not come fast enough to my area.

john1955 said:
I then used Forte' Newsgroup reader and then the News Groups died.

Forté Agent! How well I remember that one! I was so happy to see that the old FIDONet service was available through newsgroups for a while then, through my ISPs newsgroups.

I used Agent for years....but the newsgroups did not die so much as ISPs stopped providing unfettered access to them through their own NNTP resources, and to get access to those with any sort of longevity (as in how old posts you could get) you started having to pay. Binary file encoding became a huge thing, and it still is, but discussions are just as alive, though the biggest problem is that it is way to easy to both troll people in NGs as well as disseminate malware via encode files, so continuing to use them does keep you on your toes.

I still use them today, though I primarily use an account from shemes.com and Sheme's GrabIt NG downloader.

john1955 said:
I'm still using Qualcom Eudora email but it wont work on Windows 10-11.

I used Eudora for a long time myself, too. You know that Eudora v8 was put out by some of the devs and asome of hte fans of Eudora, that was built as a clone of Eudora but using Thunderbird Mail as its base, right?

Alas, that too went the way of the dodo. Thunderbird itself, though, is alive and kicking, and I love it as well. Naturally, being an old Firefox user, I am also an old Thunderbird user, and I even broke away from Thunderbird when the Eudora v8 came out, and used it exclusively for a year or so.

john1955 said:
But I could not get Windows 10 email client to work either so I installed Thunderbird.

Good choice.

john1955 said:
Oh, wait, what was the topic again . . .

LMFAO! I am susceptible to that sort of non sequitur myself!

jimbo45 said:
Rufus is slightly different due to the problems of creating a hybrid dual boot from an iso which can work on both MBR and EFI bios machines - where booting from an EFI machine needs reading an actual EFI file from a disk rather than the MBR rec from the machines BIOS hardware especially if creating a Linux bootable "live" distro from an ISO image where the isolinux program needs to be included.

That was primarily the reason I started using it, as I had an old BIOS based desktop but more modern laptops with UEFI. I hated having to make 2 separate USB sticks for a single OS....

Stigg said:
I used to love snooker. I still do. But I haven't played it in years.
Billiards is another great tactical game.

And how. I love all types of billiards, including snooker, but finding people wiling to play snooker is much harder here in the states. Plenty of pool players, but much fewer snooker players.

I haven't played in probably 3 years now.

Hollywood · May 4, 2023

john1955 said:
I forgot the name of the BBS software I was using, I might still have it on a CD

I ran PCBoard and RemoteAccess. Lots of fun making screens and menus with TheDraw. As much fun as it was, web pages and broadband make it all obsolete. It was fun though.

john1955 · May 4, 2023

Hollywood said:
I ran PCBoard and RemoteAccess. Lots of fun making screens and menus with TheDraw. As much fun as it was, web pages and broadband make it all obsolete. It was fun though.

I was using "1st Read" or "1st Reader" for BBS'ing I think I used another one before that. I just noticed I still have a copy of Lotus 123 and Word Perfect. Just about everything I ever used including four operating systems, three Quickbooks versions and two versions of AutoCad fits on a single 656MB CD with only half of it used. LOL

Colorado Backup was only 307 KB
Pelton Utilities was 863 KB

That was a different world

Stigg · May 5, 2023

johnlgalt said:
And how. I love all types of billiards, including snooker, but finding people wiling to play snooker is much harder here in the states. Plenty of pool players, but much fewer snooker players.

I haven't played in probably 3 years now.

Billiards is an underrated three ball game.

johnlgalt · May 5, 2023

Hollywood said:
I ran PCBoard and RemoteAccess. Lots of fun making screens and menus with TheDraw. As much fun as it was, web pages and broadband make it all obsolete. It was fun though.

john1955 said:
I was using "1st Read" or "1st Reader" for BBS'ing I think I used another one before that. I just noticed I still have a copy of Lotus 123 and Word Perfect. Just about everything I ever used including four operating systems, three Quickbooks versions and two versions of AutoCad fits on a single 656MB CD with only half of it used. LOL

Colorado Backup was only 307 KB
Pelton Utilities was 863 KB

That was a different world

I only ever connected to other BBSs, never ran one of my own. Even connected to some larger, worldwide ones, like ISCA and another based in the Netherlands that I forgot the name of, and this was in the late 90s.

Stigg said:
Billiards is an underrated three ball game.

3 cushion is a fun game to play, better if there is an actual table for it versus using a regular pool table. I remember learning it at Ga Tech, where they had an actual pocket-less table for 3 cushion and other variants.

I've always used the term billiards to refer to all the different games that are played using similar types of balls and tables, 8-ball, 9-ball, one-pocket, snooker, etc. I did not realize billiards was one specific game.

hdmi · May 7, 2023

johnlgalt said:
I've always used the term billiards to refer to all the different games that are played using similar types of balls and tables, 8-ball, 9-ball, one-pocket, snooker, etc. I did not realize billiards was one specific game.

I only played Computer Billiards. lol

Wynona · May 7, 2023

johnlgalt said:
3 cushion is a fun game to play, better if there is an actual table for it versus using a regular pool table. I remember learning it at Ga Tech, where they had an actual pocket-less table for 3 cushion and other variants.

I've always used the term billiards to refer to all the different games that are played using similar types of balls and tables, 8-ball, 9-ball, one-pocket, snooker, etc. I did not realize billiards was one specific game.

I've never heard of 3 cushion, but I do play both 8 Ball and 9 Ball pool. In fact, I'm getting ready to get back to playing this Summer. I went to CJ's Downtown Billiards and played a couple practice games with myself and was exhausted, but I think it will be OK with an opponent other than myself.

You are right; billiards refers to all the different games that are played. Here's what I searched and found:

Billiards | Definition, Games, Rules, & Facts

billiards, any of various games played on a rectangular table with a designated number of small balls and a long stick called a cue. The table and the cushioned rail bordering the table are topped with a feltlike tight-fitting cloth. Carom, or French, billiards is played with three balls on a...

www.britannica.com

badrobot · Jun 22, 2023

This is probably a dumb question. I never really do an in-place upgrade. I usually do a clean install.
Is it possible to do a Windows 11 in-place upgrade with Rufus on unsupported machine? Or does it only do clean install?

Edit:

There was only one way to find out. And I guess it does.
I finally decided to upgrade my very old i7-4790K PC.

Update:

Okay. that was easy...

Quick Tip:
To make the upgrade 10x faster, instead of upgrading from USB flashdrive, I copied the entire contents of the USB flashdrive to the data drive on the same PC and launch the Rufus modified Windows 11 installer from there.

jimbo45 · Jun 23, 2023

NavyLCDR said:
The same could be said about Windows built-in disk management too

and backups too !!! dism is a very powerful tool !!!

Cheers
jimbo

cereberus · Jun 23, 2023

johnlgalt said:
Ha! That was what I upgraded to as well, I think. Whichever it was, it started life as a USR 33.6K modem, with the promise of a 'soon to be available ' firmware update allowing for 56K speeds. I waited, and then bought the firmware upgrade, and .. still only received 32K speeds. If it ever connected at true 33.6 the connection was massively unstable, and I would drop shortly. But 32K(31.8 actual, I thin k?) and it was stable.

I wrestled with this for over a week, not understanding why I was stuck at 32K even to local BBSs that were running 56K speeds, with people I had physically met with and they verified to me they were at speed. Someone, somewhere, perhaps online or perhaps one of the SySops, gave me a telephone number to call USR to get my modem troubleshot.

While on the phone with the tech, he had me dial out with the modem (dedicated telco line for modem, thankfully) to a 'USR test line" that would perform tests on the signal from a connecting modem and output the results. He then sent me a tiny file that did all that and allowed me to test it on my own from my computer.

Turns out that that town I lived in, due to close proximity to the local AFB, had a few issues with telco lines. Specifically, in order to reach the local area PoP for telco lines, I was traversing not just one, but 3 complete DACs along the way, and thus my signal would never get any faster as long as I used dial-up.

Needless to say, broadband could not come fast enough to my area.

Forté Agent! How well I remember that one! I was so happy to see that the old FIDONet service was available through newsgroups for a while then, through my ISPs newsgroups.

I used Agent for years....but the newsgroups did not die so much as ISPs stopped providing unfettered access to them through their own NNTP resources, and to get access to those with any sort of longevity (as in how old posts you could get) you started having to pay. Binary file encoding became a huge thing, and it still is, but discussions are just as alive, though the biggest problem is that it is way to easy to both troll people in NGs as well as disseminate malware via encode files, so continuing to use them does keep you on your toes.

I still use them today, though I primarily use an account from shemes.com and Sheme's GrabIt NG downloader.

I used Eudora for a long time myself, too. You know that Eudora v8 was put out by some of the devs and asome of hte fans of Eudora, that was built as a clone of Eudora but using Thunderbird Mail as its base, right?

Alas, that too went the way of the dodo. Thunderbird itself, though, is alive and kicking, and I love it as well. Naturally, being an old Firefox user, I am also an old Thunderbird user, and I even broke away from Thunderbird when the Eudora v8 came out, and used it exclusively for a year or so.

Good choice.

LMFAO! I am susceptible to that sort of non sequitur myself!

That was primarily the reason I started using it, as I had an old BIOS based desktop but more modern laptops with UEFI. I hated having to make 2 separate USB sticks for a single OS....

And how. I love all types of billiards, including snooker, but finding people wiling to play snooker is much harder here in the states. Plenty of pool players, but much fewer snooker players.

I haven't played in probably 3 years now.

Actually most people who play pool (UK at least) are not proper pool players as they play in pubs on small tables. Real Pool tables are 10 ft long (snooker being 12 ft).

It only tends to be social clubs or snooker halls that have snooker tables (some have full size pool tables as well).

Try playing pool on a full size table and you find you need to use more powerful shots.

jvickers · Jun 23, 2023

cereberus said:
Actually most people who play pool (UK at least) are not proper pool players as they play in pubs on small tables. Real Pool tables are 10 ft long (snooker being 12 ft).

It only tends to be social clubs or snooker halls that have snooker tables (some have full size pool tables as well).

Try playing pool on a full size table and you find you need to use more powerful shots.

I prefer 10ft tables, though they're difficult to find.

Wynona · Jun 23, 2023

cereberus said:
Actually most people who play pool (UK at least) are not proper pool players as they play in pubs on small tables. Real Pool tables are 10 ft long (snooker being 12 ft).

It only tends to be social clubs or snooker halls that have snooker tables (some have full size pool tables as well).

Try playing pool on a full size table and you find you need to use more powerful shots.

Not fair to say those who play on a different type table aren't real pool players. I'm a league player; we play on 8 ft tables which are more prevalent in the US. Downtown Billiards (where I play) has a couple of token ten footers.

I may be wrong, but my thought process leads me to believe that more 8 ft tables can fit into the available space; thus the prevalence of 8 ft tables for league play.

Our Senior Activity Center has one 10 ft table, and I've practiced on it quite a bit. I do have to change things up a bit, but for the most part, I don't see a whole lot of difference in how hard or softly I hit the cue ball.

badrobot · Jun 23, 2023

Wynona said:
Not fair to say those who play on a different type table aren't real pool players. I'm a league player; we play on 8 ft tables which are more prevalent in the US. Downtown Billiards (where I play) has a couple of token ten footers.

I may be wrong, but my thought process leads me to believe that more 8 ft tables can fit into the available space; thus the prevalence of 8 ft tables for league play.

Our Senior Activity Center has one 10 ft table, and I've practiced on it quite a bit. I do have to change things up a bit, but for the most part, I don't see a whole lot of difference in how hard or softly I hit the cue ball.

Like those who swim in the river instead of a pool (wow same word as pool table) are not real swimmers?

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