Solved Thoughts on Synology NAS


dacrone said:
1) if you only have 3tb, it will only take a few hours at a time. i only stated 'overnight' because obv nobody would be utilizing the drives at that point.
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That depends on the speed of the rebuild, hard to say exactly how long it would take. However, I doubt that "a few hours" or "overnight" will make any difference, you still have to wait for the rebuild to complete and then swap another drive. Any way you slice it, you have four physical operations replacing the drives one at a time as opposed to just putting it all together and doing some testing before transferring the data.

dacrone said:
2) reinstalling and reconfiguring DSM AND copying your data back will more than likely take a longer period of time than just swapping the drives, as your data will be transferred over usb or LAN
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Yes, but you only do it once, not four times. ;-) Also, transferring one TB over a a gigabit network link takes right on three hours from my test here, so one overnight run would have the whole job done to get the 3TB loaded. I transferred a 335GB Acronis image file to test the timing and it took right at one hour to load to my NAS.

Either method will get the job done. I just happen to be a fan of making sure everything is working with the new hardware and then moving the data over. You're sitting there with four new drives that you haven't tested, and the NAS isn't configured for the new drive size. I'd want to know they're happy in the NAS and do some sort of minimal test at least to make sure everything is right and configured before spending hours and hours letting the NAS rebuild.
 

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dacrone said:
1) if you only have 3tb, it will only take a few hours at a time. i only stated 'overnight' because obv nobody would be utilizing the drives at that point.
2) reinstalling and reconfiguring DSM AND copying your data back will more than likely take a longer period of time than just swapping the drives, as your data will be transferred over usb or LAN
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What do you mean by "reconfiguring DISM"? This is a Western Digital NAS box, and when I first got it, all I had to do was install the drives, set the RAID configuration, and install the data - which is what I would be doing again, if I started over. And I already have all the data backed up, so no worries about data loss. on the old drives. So with that, I can't see where that takes longer than swapping one drive at a time in letting the RAID rebuild.

What am I missing. ?

And BTW, I transferred a 1.71 TB folder from NAS to an 12TB Western Digital My Book connected to my PC via USB 3.1 and it took approximately 5 hours to complete. And yes, my NAS is connected to my router via ethernet cable, as is the router to my PC the same way - ethernet cable. All supporting 10GBps (well at least PC/router).

That's breaking everything up by folders, that 1.7TB folder (my music folder) is the largest folder by far on the drive, where the other folders range from 900gig to 300gig, so transferring those folders takes less considerable time.

So looking at things from that stand point, and with replacing the drives, and reconfiguring the RAID, that seems far less time consuming than swapping one drive at a time and letting the RAID rebuild itself.

Again, what am I missing?
 

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Dru2 said:
What do you mean by "reconfiguring DISM"? This is a Western Digital NAS box, and when I first got it, all I had to do was install the drives, set the RAID configuration, and install the data - which is what I would be doing again, if I started over. And I already have all the data backed up, so no worries about data loss. on the old drives. So with that, I can't see where that takes longer than swapping one drive at a time in letting the RAID rebuild.

What am I missing. ?

And BTW, I transferred a 1.71 TB folder from NAS to an 12TB Western Digital My Book connected to my PC via USB 3.1 and it took approximately 5 hours to complete. And yes, my NAS is connected to my router via ethernet cable, as is the router to my PC the same way - ethernet cable. All supporting 10GBps (well at least PC/router).

That's breaking everything up by folders, that 1.7TB folder (my music folder) is the largest folder by far on the drive, where the other folders range from 900gig to 300gig, so transferring those folders takes less considerable time.

So looking at things from that stand point, and with replacing the drives, and reconfiguring the RAID, that seems far less time consuming than swapping one drive at a time and letting the RAID rebuild itself.

Again, what am I missing?
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didnt say DISM. DSM = Synology NAS' system. if its shorter for you to do it that way, by all means...
was only stating what i know from experience with Synology NAS. must've misread the thread.
 

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Dru2 said:
What do you mean by "reconfiguring DISM"? This is a Western Digital NAS box, and when I first got it, all I had to do was install the drives, set the RAID configuration, and install the data - which is what I would be doing again, if I started over. And I already have all the data backed up, so no worries about data loss. on the old drives. So with that, I can't see where that takes longer than swapping one drive at a time in letting the RAID rebuild.

What am I missing. ?

And BTW, I transferred a 1.71 TB folder from NAS to an 12TB Western Digital My Book connected to my PC via USB 3.1 and it took approximately 5 hours to complete. And yes, my NAS is connected to my router via ethernet cable, as is the router to my PC the same way - ethernet cable. All supporting 10GBps (well at least PC/router).

That's breaking everything up by folders, that 1.7TB folder (my music folder) is the largest folder by far on the drive, where the other folders range from 900gig to 300gig, so transferring those folders takes less considerable time.

So looking at things from that stand point, and with replacing the drives, and reconfiguring the RAID, that seems far less time consuming than swapping one drive at a time and letting the RAID rebuild itself.

Again, what am I missing?
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I don't think you're missing anything, that's why I recommended just installing everything and then rebuilding the NAS data from the source. DISM is indeed the Synology software. Obviously, WD has something similar. However, since you already have the NAS setup, replacing the disks should be just pop them in and then tell the NAS to rebuild the array with the new larger disks. I did the same thing with my Netgear READYNAS when I put the 8TB drives in it last year. Your 1.7TB in five hours sounds about the same throughput as my simple test I described.

I guess the only thing I'd recommend is perhaps have two copies of what is on the NAS before you change over. Of course, since the files are still on the old drives, if anything were to go awry, you'd still have the old disks to stick back in with the data intact.

One feature I use on my NAS is a separate USB drive connected directly to the NAS that does it's own independent backup of the data on the NAS. If all else fails, I still have that data that I can access on any computer as that drive is NTFS format.
 

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dacrone said:
didnt say DISM. DSM = Synology NAS' system. if its shorter for you to do it that way, by all means...
was only stating what i know from experience with Synology NAS. must've misread the thread.
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Got you. And yeah, I misread DSM for DISM.

Anyway, as stated a few times.... I'm running a Western Digital NAS. I was simply thinking about replacing it with a Synology "should" the NAS box itself need replacing, and thus my questions about Synology. But since the WD NAS box appears to be still going strong, I'll just replace the drives.

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gunrunnerjohn said:
I guess the only thing I'd recommend is perhaps have two copies of what is on the NAS before you change over. Of course, since the files are still on the old drives, if anything were to go awry, you'd still have the old disks to stick back in with the data intact.
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I already have backup files.

gunrunnerjohn said:
One feature I use on my NAS is a separate USB drive connected directly to the NAS that does it's own independent backup of the data on the NAS. If all else fails, I still have that data that I can access on any computer as that drive is NTFS format.
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Yeah, I have that capability, but have never found a reason to use it. Thought about it, but couldn't come up with a reason to justify it. That's me :-)

Anyway, I mainly use my NAS as a streamer for my music using Plex Server so when I'm out and about I can access my music collection, or stream to my car's audio system using Plexamp. I've ripped my entire 3000 CD collection to it in FLAC format. Those are the files that are important, and what that 1.7TB folder holds, and why I have it backed up a few times :-)
 

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I think you're on your way. :-)
 

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Update:

I just went ahead and swapped all 4 drives at the same time and re-did the RAID (10). Took all of 30 minutes, plus another 7 hours of data reinstall vs. 104428 minutes, which comes out to about 3 days for a single drive volume rebuild. Times 4 and it's 12 days min...

Raid Rebuild Time.webp

Once I saw that rebuild time, my mind was made to just swap drives, re-do the RAID, then reinstall the backup data. Done now. New drives, more storage, and hopefully extended NAS box life :-)

So, yeah, have your backup ready, and just swap the drives and re-do your RAID. Hell of a lot faster than a rebuild. And yes, circumstances dictate the actions needed- If you're only replacing a single drive, than just do a volume rebuild ;-)

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I know my Synology with the Mirrored 2TB drives took all day to rebuild when I replaced a drive, but I figured a lot newer model might be quicker. All's well that ends well. :-)
 

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