Under the hood improvements of Windows 11 compared to Windows 8.1?


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I know that there is very little changes compared to the latest builds of Windows 10, but when Windows 10 was announced it also had little changes compared to Windows 8.1.

So, the most changes, I suppose, were incremental during the Win10 development. I was not watching the pulse of Win10 releases, so, what are some improvements of Win 11 compared to Win 8.1?

I already noticed the memory compression and the compression of system files, there is also a new version of ReFS, but what else?
 

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I ditched Windows 8.1 at the start of 2018 so I can't remember all, but here's a list of areas in which I did notice some improvements:
  • System performance (in a few ways)
  • DCH drivers
  • DirectX
  • Dark theme (not made entirely system-wide yet, but it's a good start for those who, like me, are somehow sensitive to bright white backgrounds)
  • Multimonitor support
  • Snap GUI feature
  • Windows Settings
  • Start Menu (as opposed to the Start Screen with tiles, albeit I use Open-Shell with a Windows 7 type of menu style and a custom skin)
  • A multitude of extras (that I don't use or very rarely, in part because there exist better, sometimes even highly superior, alternatives if you look for 3rd party tools a lot of which are free)
  • You can now simply type things like powercfg a instead of powercfg -a in the command prompt
  • ...
The only real sacrifice is that the taskbar has been wing clipped very badly, but I use ExplorerPatcher by Valinet on GitHub to deal with that. Other annoyances include the "More options..." in the context menu and the command bar in Explorer, but you can use simple registry tweaks (or just tick the applicable options in ExplorerPatcher's settings to achieve the same effect) to restore the old context menu and to replace Explorer's command bar with the ribbon of Windows 10. By bringing back the old taskbar and applying some additional tweaks in ExplorerPatcher you can use some additional features like the Action Center flyout with the Quick Actions area and Notifications, for example. But there also exist various additional free tweaking utilities like Winaero Tweaker, Ultimate Windows Tweaker, RaMMicHaeL's 7+ Taskbar Tweaker, Battery Mode, etc. so, at least for me, the biggest improvements come from, in a well thought out manner of course, adding/fixing all sorts of stuff that, by itself, Windows either typically can't or else it just won't let you. By comparison, switching from Windows 8.1 to Windows 11 alone (i.e. while not making any of the aforementioned additions/changes that not everyone cares about or has the time to investigate obviously) almost feels like "zero improvement" to me. You either got to improve it yourself (McGuyver style) or go and find other solutions for that, by spending the extra time and effort it takes to search for them and experiment with─after you made an image of your system partition that you can restore later when things go wrong.
 

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I was asking for under-the hood improvements.

Dark theme (not made entirely system-wide yet, but it's a good start for those who, like me, are somehow sensitive to bright white backgrounds)
This is available at least since Windows 95.

Snap GUI feature
Of courese, instantly get disabled because you cannot move windows around without it suggesting to clip them.

Windows Settings
In what way it is an improvement? It is Metro-based and does not even use system fonts and subpixel hinting.

Start Menu (as opposed to the Start Screen with tiles, albeit I use Open-Shell with a Windows 7 type of menu style and a custom skin)
Which is unusable, I for 30 minutes was figuring out how to start notepad before installing OpenShell.

The rest of the text seems to deal with taskbar, etc, which is totally not what I was asking about. I was asking about under-the-hood improvements.
 
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The major improvements from Windows 10 to Windows 11 include security and performance.

The Windows insiders computers were monitored for crashes.

With the new supported requirements Microsoft reported that Windows was greater than 99% crash free.

Supported installations are now more secure with UEFI, Secure boot, and TPM requirements.

These major improvements may not be noticed as they reduce problems.
 

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Snap GUI feature
That I tried out, but OF COURSE it wasn`t working (tried to arrange 2xNotepad or UniversalViewer, but the second instance wasn´t offered in the menu.)
Anyway, I am used to MS introducing half cooked features which sound good on paper, but fail in practial use....

One more reason to avoid "feature" upgrades at any cost, be it Windows or Android.

A good example here is the latest Mozilla FF built. Why on earth these developers always try to reinvent the weel and destroy nicely working software or render them almost usesless with new "features" or look&feel?
 

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I have opened 2 different files with two instances of UniversalViewer. Both appear correctly as different instances in the (ungropued) taskbar. But if I try to use that GUI split to arrange them side by side, the second instance is not offered.
(Just tried it with notpad, and that works. But that's not what I need.)
 

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I have opened 2 different files with two instances of UniversalViewer. Both appear correctly as different instances in the (ungropued) taskbar. But if I try to use that GUI split to arrange them side by side, the second instance is not offered.
(Just tried it with notpad, and that works. But that's not what I need.)
Ah! Got it.
Hmmm, strange!
 

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I was asking for under-the hood improvements.
To which I have replied, it almost feels like "zero improvement" to me.
This is available at least since Windows 95.
They made under-the-hood improvements as for the negative side effects that might result from the old-traditional way of relying on color customizations.
Of courese, instantly get disabled because you cannot move windows around without it suggesting to clip them.
They made under-the-hood improvements to it, exactly because this type of annoyance had to be addressed, which was impossible for them to address without digging under the hood.
In what way it is an improvement? It is Metro-based and does not even use system fonts and subpixel hinting.
Simple answer, it is much better organized now. By comparison, on Windows 8.1/10 it looked and felt more akin to skimming through a stack of old newspapers some of the pages of which either were crumpled or were buried under the hood.
Which is unusable, I 30 minutes was figuring out how to start notepad before installing OpenShell.
In a certain way, that was also my point re "got to improve it yourself (McGuyver style)", but then, the Start Screen of Windows 8.1 was even much worse than this, as it made me feel all dizzy in addition to suffering under-the-hood nervous breakdowns. At least they got rid of useless Live Tiles that were merely distractions and were hogging system performance, there's no more carnival colored tile backgrounds, there's no more tiles going dim all of a sudden and for no apparent reason, there's no more tiles, and, they made the icons a bit easier to rearrange by dragging them so that the act of doing so feels a little bit less like playing some kind of drunk board game TBH.
The rest of the text seems to deal with taskbar, etc, which is totally not what I was asking about. I was asking about under-the-hood improvements.
When switching from Windows 8.1 to Windows 11, the old taskbar of Windows 10 is arguably the best under-the-hood improvement of them all.
 

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That I tried out, but OF COURSE it wasn`t working (tried to arrange 2xNotepad or UniversalViewer, but the second instance wasn´t offered in the menu.)
Anyway, I am used to MS introducing half cooked features which sound good on paper, but fail in practial use....

One more reason to avoid "feature" upgrades at any cost, be it Windows or Android.

A good example here is the latest Mozilla FF built. Why on earth these developers always try to reinvent the weel and destroy nicely working software or render them almost usesless with new "features" or look&feel?
It is simply because, if there can be no destruction, life will be boring. 🤣
 

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Well what I was interested in, is the support of new standards, technologies, etc.
 

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One under the hood improvement over Win 8.1 would be security enhancement with the use of Core Isolation and virtualization. These existed in Win 10 but I was not aware of them. They were turned off on my laptop and are now on. That has been an improvement for me. The system "feels" faster to me than Win 10, so I assume it would also be the same over Win 8.1.

The update process is also smaller and much faster, but not sure if this would qualify as an "under the hood" item.
 

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Well what I was interested in, is the support of new standards, technologies, etc.
Well, for one thing on machines that support S0 sleep W8's Connected Standby was expanded to Modern Standby in W10. This allows a choice over whether or not to enable network connectivity while in standby. W8 was always connected.

The first iteration of Modern Standby was Connected Standby, which first shipped in Windows 8 and Windows 8.1. Modern Standby expands upon the Windows 8.x Connected Standby concept, allowing more flexibility in component selection.
 

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Im genuinely baffled that you could install OpenShell but couldn't open notepad...Click on the start menu..type notepad. Tada
There is no notepad in Start menu (I had removed all Metro apps before installing), and there was no "Run" menu entry. It turns out, "Run" can be invoked by pressing Win+R, but I usually use Win for language switching, so was not familiar with this combination. There was (and still is) no "Create .txt document" context menu entry on the desktop. I am looking how to restore it.
 

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There is no notepad in Start menu (I had removed all Metro apps before installing), and there was no "Run" menu entry. It turns out, "Run" can be invoked by pressing Win+R, but I usually use Win for language switching, so was not familiar with this combination. There was (and still is) no "Create .txt document" context menu entry on the desktop. I am looking how to restore it.
Hmm, When i click on start menu, there should be a button on the right handside(Parallel to "pinned") that says "all apps" if you click on that, it should be in there about halfway down depending on how many programs you have showing there.
Other than that, Press start and just type in notepad. Should be there.
 

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There is no notepad in Start menu (I had removed all Metro apps before installing)....
Well there you have it. Now that some system apps like Notepad, Paint and Snipping Tool are updated through the Store rather than through Windows Update, then removing all Metro apps can have unexpected/unwanted consequences.
 

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