Updating From 10 to 11 Secure Boot & TPM Question


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For Christmas I got a new laptop and it passes all the tests and is shown as to be available in Windows Updates to upgrade to Windows 11.

One of my questions is does Windows tell you BEFORE the start of the downloading procedure and installing whether a computer meets the standards, or does it only say it at the end of the download process, or worse still at the end of the installation. Also does secure boot and TPM have to be enabled or just "available" ?

I ask these questions because I use Aomei Backupper and Aomei Partition Assistant (for other uses) on my machine and won't use anything else. I asked Aomei in an email if their software was secure boot compatible and their response was a bit unclear and I have asked for clarification.From what i have read elsewhere it seems that secure boot should be turned off when backing up and restoring but kept on during normal use.

But my main questions are the ones referring to updating from Windows 10 to 11. I.E.: Does secure boot and TPM have to be enabled during the whole process of an upgrade etc.
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It will not download and install if it doesn`t meet the standards.
Yes, secure boot and TPM have to be enabled.
I have never turned off secure boot when making a image of W11. If you do, 11 may not run anyway, but give it a try if you want to find out.
 

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I have never turned off secure boot when making a image of W11.

Same here, using MR 8 Home. I've Restored twice, no problems.
 

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But my main questions are the ones referring to updating from Windows 10 to 11. I.E.: Does secure boot and TPM have to be enabled during the whole process of an upgrade etc.
Thanks.
In order to upgrade from Windows 10 to Windows 11, secure boot and TPM must be enabled. Once Windows 11 is installed and running, you can disable Secure Boot and TPM if you want to, it won't affect booting and running Windows 11 until it is time to do a major upgrade to a new major version of Windows 11. Then you will need to re-enable secure boot and TPM to do the upgrade. But I am curious, why don't you want to just leave Secure Boot and TPM enabled?
 

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^this, I just don't understand all the complaints about secure boot and TPMs. They are there to protect you. I wouldn't own a computer today that did not have a modern TPM and secure boot enabled. Macs Have had a similar technology for years now, and you can't turn it off on a MAC. It should be the same for Windows 11. It's about time they made it a requirement.
 

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In reply to NavyLCDR who says "But I am curious, why don't you want to just leave Secure Boot and TPM enabled?" Its because I don't think Aomei Backupper will boot into Aomei PE environment with secureboot enabled, and I do not want to try it with secureboot on ! On a webpage for Aomei "one key" restore which is a new service that I don't have, it does say that secureboot has to be disabled before restoring images etc but no definitive information regarding the traditional Aomei Backupper programme. All my other Windows 10 machines have MBR, no TPM and no secureboot and get on fine with Aomei Backupper. I am really doubtful about installing Windows 11 on the new machine because its not (IMO) a ground breaking change to Windows 10 and the changes that have been made are again (IMO) mostly negative like no full start menu down the left side of the screen and changes to the control panel, I want the control panel to stay ! I also won't use third party programmes to make it look and act more like Windows 10 assuming such options are available.
 

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Reality has set in , I won't be updating to windows 11 anytime soon.
In addition to the above changes I cannot myself accept the changes to file explorer or the right click menu. As things stand I can't think of anything positive to say about Windows 11
 

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Reality has set in , I won't be updating to windows 11 anytime soon.
In addition to the above changes I cannot myself accept the changes to file explorer or the right click menu. As things stand I can't think of anything positive to say about Windows 11



Ah.... but you don't have to accept those things...







For example...

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Merry Christmas. :-)
 

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Reality has set in , I won't be updating to windows 11 anytime soon.
In addition to the above changes I cannot myself accept the changes to file explorer or the right click menu. As things stand I can't think of anything positive to say about Windows 11
In your case, maybe it's best to stick with Windows 10 for now and just install Win 11 in a VM. That way you can take your time, get familiar with it, and see if you can get used to the changes. You could also experiment with tools to tweak that installation as Ghot noted. Best of all, all this could be done without committing your system to Win 11 yet.
 

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^this, I just don't understand all the complaints about secure boot and TPMs. They are there to protect you. I wouldn't own a computer today that did not have a modern TPM and secure boot enabled. Macs Have had a similar technology for years now, and you can't turn it off on a MAC. It should be the same for Windows 11. It's about time they made it a requirement.
You don't get the basis of the complaints -- as these are not about security issues. Instead, they are about the arbitrary requirements that Microsoft has imposed to install Windows 11 on PCs. When Win10 came out, 5-year-old PCs nearly all upgraded to Win10 without issue -- so folks were expecting the same with Windows 11. But PCs that old often may not have or support TPM or Secure Boot. The complaint is about having to buy new hardware, not about making PCs secure.
 

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You don't get the basis of the complaints -- as these are not about security issues. Instead, they are about the arbitrary requirements that Microsoft has imposed to install Windows 11 on PCs. When Win10 came out, 5-year-old PCs nearly all upgraded to Win10 without issue -- so folks were expecting the same with Windows 11. But PCs that old often may not have or support TPM or Secure Boot. The complaint is about having to buy new hardware, not about making PCs secure.
Well, Microsoft is giving those who cannot or don't wish to upgrade at this time until late 2025 to do so. That is, Windows 10 is still being supported until then. No one is being forced to upgrade today. I believe the transition period Microsoft set is reasonable.
 
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Reality has set in , I won't be updating to windows 11 anytime soon.
In addition to the above changes I cannot myself accept the changes to file explorer or the right click menu. As things stand I can't think of anything positive to say about Windows 11
That's perfect. You have until October 2025 to continue using Windows 10 in a safe manner. That is, it will continue to be supported by Microsoft until then.
 

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You also need to look at this from a few other angles:

1) The business world: IT admins are getting sick and tired of all the security issues. Ensuring that systems certified for Windows 11 meet these new requirements is going to be something that this market segment welcomes.

2) OEMs: These requirements are largely aimed at OEMs, guaranteeing that any systems shipping with Win 11 will meet these more stringent requirements.

3) The end user purchasing new hardware: Don't forget that these benefits will also help the end user who is purchasing new hardware.

4) The end user wanting to upgrade: For "enthusiasts" who insist on upgrading older hardware, pretty much all of the requirements can be bypassed. You don't need a TPM, secure boot, or even UEFI firmware (old BIOS works just fine). Microsoft has made concessions to allow you to run Windows 11 although they simply won't guarantee that it will run, and you would be considered to be in an unsupported configuration. I have not had a single system yet that isn't running 11 fine, including a couple 10+ year old systems. Admittedly, your milage may vary.

Finally, my opinion only, I'm sure some will want to flame me for this: Before any of us heard that a Windows 11 was about to unleashed, I'll bet most people were perfectly content with Windows 10, aside from tweaks or minor improvements that could be made. But now suddenly that a new OS has been announced, everyone freaks if they can't run it on hardware that they specifically purchased to run Windows 10. If Windows 11 didn't exist, you'd probably be perfectly happy to still be running Win 10. :-)
 

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What I find especially humorous is the users that upgrade to Windows 11 and then install all kinds of hacks and apps to make it look like/act like Windows 10 🥴
 

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What I find especially humorous is the users that upgrade to Windows 11 and then install all kinds of hacks and apps to make it look like/act like Windows 10 🥴
Huh! So true, I didn't even think about it that way. Great observation.
 

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What I find especially humorous is the users that upgrade to Windows 11 and then install all kinds of hacks and apps to make it look like/act like Windows 10 🥴


I see it this way. Sooner or later I will have to switch to Windows 11.
If I switch now (and also keep Windows 10), I can play around with Windows 11, so I'll have it just the way I want it, in 2025.
Which ofc, is when they'll be leaking rumors of Windows 12. :D
 

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    Built by Ghot® [May 2020]
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7 3700X
    Motherboard
    Asus Pro WS X570-ACE (BIOS 4201)
    Memory
    G.Skill (F4-3200C14D-16GTZKW)
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA RTX 2070 (08G-P4-2171-KR)
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC1220P / ALC S1220A
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dell U3011 30"
    Screen Resolution
    2560 x 1600
    Hard Drives
    2x Samsung 860 EVO 500GB,
    WD 4TB Black FZBX - SATA III,
    WD 8TB Black FZBX - SATA III,
    DRW-24B1ST CD/DVD Burner
    PSU
    PC Power & Cooling 750W Quad EPS12V
    Case
    Cooler Master ATCS 840 Tower
    Cooling
    CM Hyper 212 EVO (push/pull)
    Keyboard
    Ducky DK9008 Shine II Blue LED
    Mouse
    Logitech Optical M-100
    Internet Speed
    100/100
    Browser
    Firefox (latest)
    Antivirus
    Bitdefender Internet Security
    Other Info
    Speakers: Klipsch Pro Media 2.1
  • Operating System
    Windows XP Pro 32bit w/SP3
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Built by Ghot® (not in use)
    CPU
    AMD Athlon 64 X2 5000+ (OC'd @ 3.2Ghz)
    Motherboard
    ASUS M2N32-SLI Deluxe Wireless Edition
    Memory
    TWIN2X2048-6400C4DHX (2 x 1GB, DDR2 800)
    Graphics card(s)
    EVGA 256-P2-N758-TR GeForce 8600GT SSC
    Sound Card
    Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    ViewSonic G90FB Black 19" Professional (CRT)
    Screen Resolution
    up to 2048 x 1536
    Hard Drives
    WD 36GB 10,000rpm Raptor SATA
    Seagate 80GB 7200rpm SATA
    Lite-On LTR-52246S CD/RW
    Lite-On LH-18A1P CD/DVD Burner
    PSU
    PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750 Quad EPS12V
    Case
    Generic Beige case, 80mm fans
    Cooling
    ZALMAN 9500A 92mm CPU Cooler
    Mouse
    Logitech Optical M-BT96a
    Keyboard
    Logitech Classic Keybooard 200
    Internet Speed
    100/100
    Browser
    Firefox 3.x ??
    Antivirus
    Symantec (Norton)
    Other Info
    Still assembled, still runs. Haven't turned it on for 13 years?

    http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?183088-5000-B-E-on-M2N32-SLI-Dlx-Overclocked&p=2891724#post2891724

tinmar49

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W11 pro beta
I prefer the added security that TPM and secure boot give with W11 and would steer clear of any software company that wants me to turn off security, it sounds like they haven't bothered to keep up to date.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    W11 pro beta
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    Athlon 3000G
    Motherboard
    Asrock A320M-HDV r4.0
    Memory
    16Gb Crucial DDR4 2400
    Graphics Card(s)
    onboard cpu
    Sound Card
    onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    AOC 27
    Screen Resolution
    2560-1440
    Hard Drives
    WD black SN750 M2 500Gb
    PSU
    500W Seasonic core 80+gold non modular
    Case
    Fractal Design Define R2
    Cooling
    front 2 x 120mm rear 100mm stock psu
    Internet Speed
    100/10
    Browser
    Firefox and edge
    Antivirus
    Windows Security and free Malwarebytes
  • Operating System
    W11 pro 64
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    homebuilt
    CPU
    Ryzen 3200G
    Motherboard
    MSI B450M PRO-VDH
    Memory
    2 x 8Gb Corsair Vengeance LPX 3000 DDR4
    Graphics card(s)
    onboard cpu
    Sound Card
    motherboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    LG
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    WD Black M2 SN750 500Gb
    PSU
    Be Quiet 400 semi modular 80+gold
    Case
    Coolermaster Silencio 650
    Cooling
    140mm front, 120 rear Akasa Vegas Chroma AM
    Internet Speed
    100/10
    Browser
    edge/Firefox
    Antivirus
    WD plus Malwarebytes free

fmw

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71
OS
win 11
I decided to succumb to the requirements. I managed to install 11 on a non compliant computer but it wouldn't do updates. It understood UEFI but had not clue about secure boot and TPM I went back to win 10, I had a computer fail last week. It was either the ATX motherboard or processor. I didn't bother to find out. I just pitched the guts of the computer. Since the system is 10 years old with a 1 year old SSD, I decided to make it right. I ordered an 11 compatible motherboard, DDR4 memory, an i5 10400 processor and new power supply. Everything other than the motherboard has arrived and it is due tomorrow. The old case is cleaned up and ready to go with a working DVD drive and memory card reader. I should have it up and running on win 10 tomorrow. I will replace my own computer with it and let my current computer become a backup system running win 10. I will let MS upgrade the upgraded one to 11 for me. I'm tired of fighting it. Assuming it goes as planned, I'll upgrade a couple more systems that are younger but not current at all. It isn't all that expensive to do it.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    win 11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Homebrew
    CPU
    Core i5 10400
    Motherboard
    ASUS B560-Plus
    Memory
    8 GB DDR4
    Graphics Card(s)
    Heatsink cooled ASUS
    Sound Card
    None. Business computer
    Monitor(s) Displays
    ASUS
    Screen Resolution
    1920
    Hard Drives
    1TB WD NVME SSD
    PSU
    Cooler Master 600 watt
    Case
    Cooler Master
    Cooling
    fans
    Keyboard
    ergonomic
    Mouse
    Microsoft
    Internet Speed
    Very slow - satellite internet, nothing else available.
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    PC Matic
    Other Info
    5 other computers on our network including Win 11, 10 and Linux.
  • Operating System
    Win 11
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Aspire 3
    CPU
    core i5
    Motherboard
    Acer
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics card(s)
    integral

hsehestedt

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Location
Texas, USA
OS
Windows 11 Pro 22H2
fmw, just out of curiosity, why install Windows 10 and then upgrade to Win 11? Since you are doing a new installation of Windows already, why not simply start with Windows 11 right from the start rather than having to go through all that upgrade nonsense?

Apologies if I'm missing something or not properly understanding the scenario.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 22H2
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Home Built
    CPU
    Intel i7-11700K
    Motherboard
    ASUS Prime Z590-A
    Memory
    128GB Crucial Ballistix 3200MHz DRAM
    Graphics Card(s)
    No GPU - CPU graphics only (for now)
    Sound Card
    Realtek (on motherboard)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    HP Envy 32
    Screen Resolution
    2560 x 1440
    Hard Drives
    1 x 1TB NVMe Gen 4 x 4 SSD
    1 x 2TB NVMe Gen 3 x 4 SSD
    2 x 512GB 2.5" SSDs
    2 x 8TB HD
    PSU
    Corsair HX850i
    Case
    Corsair iCue 5000X RGB
    Cooling
    Noctua NH-D15 chromax.black cooler + 10 case fans
    Keyboard
    CODE backlit mechanical keyboard
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 3
    Internet Speed
    1Gb Up / 1 Gb Down
    Browser
    Chromium Edge
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
    Other Info
    Additional options installed:
    WiFi 6E PCIe adapter
    ASUS ThunderboltEX 4 PCIe adapter
  • Operating System
    Dual Boot Windows 11 Pro 22H2 and Windows 10 Pro 22H2
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Spectre x360 15-BL012DX
    CPU
    Intel i7-7500U
    Memory
    32GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Dual Intel HD 620 and Nvidia GeForce 940MX
    Sound Card
    Built-in Realtek HD Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    4k 15-inch
    Screen Resolution
    4k (3840 x 2160)
    Hard Drives
    1TB Seagate FireCuda 510 NVMe SSD
    Internet Speed
    1Gb Up / 1Gb Down
    Browser
    Chromium Edge
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
    Other Info
    RAM Upgraded from 16GB to 32GB WiFi Upgraded from WiFi 5 to WiFi 6 SSD upgraded from 512GB NVMe SSD to 1TB Seagate FireCuda 510 NVMe SSD

jnichols2

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7
OS
Windows 11
I tried my 8th Gen I7 gaming desktop first, and it failed the test.
I had to do the research to find out why. Luckily it just needed changes in the BIOS.
The HP laptop passed muster on first check.

Microsoft could have done a better job explaining the requirements to those who weren't on this forum.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    AsRock Gaming Computer
    CPU
    8 Gen I7-8700K
    Motherboard
    Z390 Phantom Gaming 4
    Memory
    16 GB DDR4 2666 MHz
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVidia GeForce RTX-2080
    Sound Card
    Built In
    Monitor(s) Displays
    LG 25"
    Screen Resolution
    Max: 3840x2160 Current: 2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    1 GB SSD
    PSU
    Built In
    Case
    AsRock
    Cooling
    Water
    Keyboard
    Cheap Logitech
    Mouse
    Cheap Logitech
    Internet Speed
    230 MB
    Browser
    Chrome
    Antivirus
    Norton

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