Updating From 10 to 11 Secure Boot & TPM Question


Dch48

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Code:
C:\windows\system32>diskpart

Microsoft DiskPart version 10.0.22000.1

Copyright (C) Microsoft Corporation.
On computer: RAIDER

DISKPART> list disk

  Disk ###  Status         Size     Free     Dyn  Gpt
  --------  -------------  -------  -------  ---  ---
  Disk 0    Online          953 GB      0 B        *
  Disk 1    Online          465 GB      0 B        *
  Disk 3    Online          127 GB      0 B

DISKPART> list volume

  Volume ###  Ltr  Label        Fs     Type        Size     Status     Info
  ----------  ---  -----------  -----  ----------  -------  ---------  --------
  Volume 0     F   ESD-ISO      UDF    DVD-ROM     4327 MB  Healthy
  Volume 1     D   Data         NTFS   Partition    945 GB  Healthy
  Volume 2     R   RECOVERY     FAT32  Partition   8191 MB  Healthy
  Volume 3     C   Windows      NTFS   Partition    443 GB  Healthy    Boot
  Volume 4                      FAT32  Partition    100 MB  Healthy    System
  Volume 5         WinRE tools  NTFS   Partition    980 MB  Healthy    Hidden
  Volume 6         BIOS_RVY     NTFS   Partition     21 GB  Healthy    Hidden
  Volume 7     E                NTFS   Partition    126 GB  Healthy

DISKPART>

Disk 3 is where I want to install Windows 11 to, MBR booting in legacy BIOS mode. Drive F: would be my standard USB flash drive created with Microsoft's Media Creation Tool. To open the command prompt press Shift + F10 after booting the computer from the USB flash drive.

Code:
DISKPART> select disk 3

Disk 3 is now the selected disk.

DISKPART> clean

DiskPart succeeded in cleaning the disk.

DISKPART> create part pri size=100

DiskPart succeeded in creating the specified partition.

DISKPART> active

DiskPart marked the current partition as active.

DISKPART> format fs=ntfs quick label="System Reserved"

  100 percent completed

DiskPart successfully formatted the volume.

DISKPART> assign letter=s

DiskPart successfully assigned the drive letter or mount point.

DISKPART> create part pri

DiskPart succeeded in creating the specified partition.

DISKPART> format fs=ntfs quick label="Win11"

  100 percent completed

DiskPart successfully formatted the volume.

DISKPART> assign letter=t

DiskPart successfully assigned the drive letter or mount point.

DISKPART> exit

Leaving DiskPart...

C:\windows\system32>f:

F:\>cd sources

F:\sources>dism /get-wiminfo /wimfile:install.esd

Deployment Image Servicing and Management tool
Version: 10.0.22000.1

Details for image : install.esd

Index : 1
Name : Windows 11 Home
Description : Windows 11 Home
Size : 15,918,540,541 bytes

Index : 2
Name : Windows 11 Home N
Description : Windows 11 Home N
Size : 15,229,765,223 bytes

Index : 3
Name : Windows 11 Home Single Language
Description : Windows 11 Home Single Language
Size : 15,921,439,394 bytes

Index : 4
Name : Windows 11 Education
Description : Windows 11 Education
Size : 16,201,186,274 bytes

Index : 5
Name : Windows 11 Education N
Description : Windows 11 Education N
Size : 15,500,722,223 bytes

Index : 6
Name : Windows 11 Pro
Description : Windows 11 Pro
Size : 16,198,033,078 bytes

Index : 7
Name : Windows 11 Pro N
Description : Windows 11 Pro N
Size : 15,515,196,102 bytes

The operation completed successfully.

F:\sources>dism /apply-image /imagefile:install.esd /index:6 /applydir:T:\

Deployment Image Servicing and Management tool
Version: 10.0.22000.1

Applying image
[==========================100.0%==========================]
The operation completed successfully.

F:\sources>bcdboot T:\Windows /s S: /f BIOS
Boot files successfully created.

F:\sources>

Reboot the computer into the newly installed Windows 11 on the hard drive (or SSD). Took me less than 2 minutes to type the commands. Waiting for the image to apply is the longest part of the procedure. Only minor changes are required in the commands to install to GPT disk and boot in UEFI mode.
I would not classify using commands in diskpart and DISM to being simple and easy. Most people do not want to have to type in commands. When I have to resort to doing it, I'm annoyed. I feel like I'm back 30 years in the past using DOS or even worse, CP/M.

Or--even worse than that---Linux :LOL:
 
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Well I tried to do what you say and failed. Since I am pretty knowledgeable about computers and once owned and operated a computer company, that makes it something other than trivial for me. I've read several posts explaining the process and not one worked for me. What worked for me was setting up 11 on a supported system and cloning drives from it. I can chalk it up to age, I suppose. I don't do things as well as I did as a young man.
Try any of these methods. They all amount to the same thing in the end, just different approaches to the same thing:

***************************************************************************
* How to Bypass Windows 11 Installation Requirements with a Clean Install *
***************************************************************************

All of these methods basically set Windows registry setting in Win PE. THEY WILL NOT affect the final installed Windows at all, only the temporary Win PE loaded in memory during setup.

****************************************************
* Method 1 - Using an Autounattend.xml Answer File *
****************************************************

Note: The answer file does NOTHING except set the registry settings that bypass Win 11 requirements. It does not automate installation.


Create a new answer file or modify an existing answer file with the following entries:

Add the component Microsoft Windows Setup\RunSynchronos\RunSynchronousCommand to Pass 1 windowsPE

Set the following values:

Order: 1
Path: reg add HKLM\System\Setup\LabConfig /v BypassTPMCheck /t reg_dword /d 0x00000001 /f

Repeat the above steps 4 more time (for a total of 5 "RunSynchronousCommand" entries) with the following entries:

Order: 2
Path: reg add HKLM\System\Setup\LabConfig /v BypassSecureBootCheck /t reg_dword /d 0x00000001 /f

Order: 3
Path: reg add HKLM\System\Setup\LabConfig /v BypassRAMCheck /t reg_dword /d 0x00000001 /f

Order: 4
Path: reg add HKLM\System\Setup\LabConfig /v BypassStorageCheck /t reg_dword /d 0x00000001 /f

Order: 5
Path: reg add HKLM\System\Setup\LabConfig /v BypassCPUCheck /t reg_dword /d 0x00000001 /f


**************************************************
* Manually Modify the Registry for Windows Setup *
**************************************************

At the first static screen where Windows setup requests information from you during setup, press SHIFT + F10 to open a command prompt.

Type regedit and hit ENTER. Add the following entries:

HKLM\System\Setup\LabConfig BypassTPMCheck reg_dword 0x00000001
HKLM\System\Setup\LabConfig BypassSecureBootCheck reg_dword 0x00000001
HKLM\System\Setup\LabConfig BypassRAMCheck reg_dword 0x00000001
HKLM\System\Setup\LabConfig BypassStorageCheck reg_dword 0x00000001
HKLM\System\Setup\LabConfig BypassCPUCheck reg_dword 0x00000001

Close Registry Editor and the command prompt. Continue installation normally.


*********************
* Using a .reg file *
*********************

Create a test file with the extension .reg. Place the following in that file:

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\Setup\LabConfig]
"BypassTPMCheck"=dword:00000001
"BypassSecureBootCheck"=dword:00000001
"BypassRAMCheck"=dword:00000001
"BypassStorageCheck"=dword:00000001
"BypassCPUCheck"=dword:00000001

Drop this registry file onto your install media. After starting setup, when you reach the first static screen where information is requested by setup, press Shift + F10 to open a command prompt. Navigate to the drive letter where the .reg file is located and then run it. Close the command prompt and continue installation of Windows as usual.


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* Using a Batch File *
**********************

Create a text file with the extension .bat. Place the following in that file:

@echo off
reg add HKLM\System\Setup\LabConfig /v BypassTPMCheck /t reg_dword /d 0x00000001 /f > NUL
reg add HKLM\System\Setup\LabConfig /v BypassSecureBootCheck /t reg_dword /d 0x00000001 /f > NUL
reg add HKLM\System\Setup\LabConfig /v BypassRAMCheck /t reg_dword /d 0x00000001 /f > NUL
reg add HKLM\System\Setup\LabConfig /v BypassStorageCheck /t reg_dword /d 0x00000001 /f > NUL
reg add HKLM\System\Setup\LabConfig /v BypassCPUCheck /t reg_dword /d 0x00000001 /f > NUL

NOTE: The "> NUL" simply suppresses the output from being displayed for "silent" operation.

Drop this file onto your install media. After starting setup, when you reach the first static screen where information is requested by setup, press Shift + F10 to open a command prompt. Navigate to the drive letter where the .bat file is located and then run it. Close the command prompt and continue installation of Windows as usual.
 

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    ASUS Prime Z590-A
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    HP Envy 32
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    2560 x 1440
    Hard Drives
    1 x 1TB NVMe Gen 4 x 4 SSD
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    Noctua NH-D15 chromax.black cooler + 10 case fans
    Keyboard
    CODE backlit mechanical keyboard
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    Logitech MX Master 3
    Internet Speed
    300Mb down / 20Mb up
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    Chromium Edge
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    Windows Defender
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    Additional options installed:
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  • Operating System
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    HP Spectre x360 15-BL012DX
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    Intel i7-7500U
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    32GB
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    Dual Intel HD 620 and Nvidia GeForce 940MX
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    4k 15-inch
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    4k (3840 x 2160)
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I've read all of these things and tried them Many of them resulted in a failure to work because of MBR partitions. It would be trivial to wipe the partitions but my goal was to keep the data on the drive. Obviously I did something wrong until I did it on a supported computer. At this point I have all the systems running Win 11 that I want running it and I won't need to fuss with it again unless I buy a refurbished computer in the future. It took longer than necessary but time runs pretty quickly at my age.
 

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I'm running Windows 11 on 10+ year old systems with MBR. No problem. Appears to run even better than Windows 10 did :)
 

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    ASUS Prime Z590-A
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    128GB Crucial Ballistix 3200MHz DRAM
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    No GPU - CPU graphics only (for now)
    Sound Card
    Realtek (on motherboard)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    HP Envy 32
    Screen Resolution
    2560 x 1440
    Hard Drives
    1 x 1TB NVMe Gen 4 x 4 SSD
    1 x 2TB NVMe Gen 3 x 4 SSD
    2 x 512GB 2.5" SSDs
    2 x 8TB HD
    PSU
    Corsair HX850i
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    Corsair iCue 5000X RGB
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    Noctua NH-D15 chromax.black cooler + 10 case fans
    Keyboard
    CODE backlit mechanical keyboard
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    HP Spectre x360 15-BL012DX
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    Intel i7-7500U
    Memory
    32GB
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    Dual Intel HD 620 and Nvidia GeForce 940MX
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    4k 15-inch
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I'm running Windows 11 on 10+ year old systems with MBR. No problem. Appears to run even better than Windows 10 did :)
For how long though? I'm betting the time for that will run out sooner than support for Win 10 does.
 

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    MSI B550-A Pro
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    16 GB DDR4-3200
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    PowerColor Red Devil Radeon RX 6600XT with 8GB GDDR6
    Sound Card
    Realtek integrated
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    Acer Nitro 24" RG241Y 144hz refresh rate
    Screen Resolution
    1920 X 1080
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    Samsung 860 QVO 1 TB SATA SSD
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    Enermax Coenus
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    Cooler Master Hyper T4 air
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    CM Storm Devastator
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    E-Blue Cobra Jr.
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    Microsoft Edge Chromium
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    Microsoft Defender
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    Asus ROG Zephyrus G14
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    Asus board (GA402RK)
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    16 GB DDR5-4800
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    Integrated Radeon 680M and discrete Radeon RX 6800S with 8GB GDDR6
    Sound Card
    Integrated Realtek with Dolby Atmos
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    Laptop screen 14" WQXGA, IPS, 120hz refresh rate
    Screen Resolution
    2560 X 1600
    Hard Drives
    1TB PCIe Gen 4 SSD (Micron)
    PSU
    Battery power and Asus power brick/adapter. Also has USB-C charging
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    Laptop fans in vapor chamber
    Mouse
    Touchpad and Omoton bluetooth mouse
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    Built in backlit
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For how long though? I'm betting the time for that will run out sooner than support for Win 10 does.
It's possible, but I fully assume that risk.
 

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  • OS
    Windows 11 21H2
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    PC/Desktop
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    Home Built
    CPU
    Intel i7-11700K
    Motherboard
    ASUS Prime Z590-A
    Memory
    128GB Crucial Ballistix 3200MHz DRAM
    Graphics Card(s)
    No GPU - CPU graphics only (for now)
    Sound Card
    Realtek (on motherboard)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    HP Envy 32
    Screen Resolution
    2560 x 1440
    Hard Drives
    1 x 1TB NVMe Gen 4 x 4 SSD
    1 x 2TB NVMe Gen 3 x 4 SSD
    2 x 512GB 2.5" SSDs
    2 x 8TB HD
    PSU
    Corsair HX850i
    Case
    Corsair iCue 5000X RGB
    Cooling
    Noctua NH-D15 chromax.black cooler + 10 case fans
    Keyboard
    CODE backlit mechanical keyboard
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master 3
    Internet Speed
    300Mb down / 20Mb up
    Browser
    Chromium Edge
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
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    Additional options installed:
    WiFi 6E PCIe adapter
    ASUS ThunderboltEX 4 PCIe adapter
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 21H2
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    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Spectre x360 15-BL012DX
    CPU
    Intel i7-7500U
    Memory
    32GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Dual Intel HD 620 and Nvidia GeForce 940MX
    Sound Card
    Built-in Realtek HD Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    4k 15-inch
    Screen Resolution
    4k (3840 x 2160)
    Hard Drives
    1TB Seagate FireCuda 510 NVMe SSD
    Internet Speed
    300Mb down / 20Mb up
    Browser
    Chromium Edge
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    Windows Defender
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    RAM Upgraded from 16GB to 32GB WiFi Upgraded from WiFi 5 to WiFi 6 SSD upgraded from 512GB NVMe SSD to 1TB Seagate FireCuda 510 NVMe SSD

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For how long though? I'm betting the time for that will run out sooner than support for Win 10 does.
Only MS can say for sure. My guess and only a guess is that unsupported devices will still be able to run. They just won't be able to update.
 

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    PowerSpec B746
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    Intel Core i7-10700K
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    ASRock Z490 Phantom Gaming 4/ax
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    16GB (8GB PC4-19200 DDR4 SDRAM x2)
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    NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 TI
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    Realtek Audio
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    Samsung SAM0A87 Samsung SAM0D32
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    1920 x 1080
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    NVMe WDC WDS100T2B0C-00PXH0 1TB
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    Logitech K270
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    Logitech M185
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    Microsoft Edge and Firefox
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    ESET Internet Security
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    Windows 11 Dev
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    Laptop
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    HP Envy x360 15-ds1083cl
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7 4700U 2.0GHZ
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    16 MB DDR 4-2666
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    AMD Radeon
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    15.6"
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    1920x1080
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    PCIe NVMe M.2 512GB
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Only MS can say for sure. My guess and only a guess is that unsupported devices will still be able to run. They just won't be able to update.
Right now, I'm willing to bet that not even MS can say for sure!
 

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    Windows 11
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    Manufacturer/Model
    Homebuilt
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 7 3800XT
    Motherboard
    ASUS ROG Crosshair VII Hero (WiFi)
    Memory
    32GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Education
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Inspiron 7773
    CPU
    Intel i7-8550U
    Memory
    32GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Nvidia Geforce MX150
    Sound Card
    Realtek
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    17"
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    1920 x 1080
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    Toshiba 512GB NVMe SSD
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As everyone here has stated, only MS knows. There's got to be a reason the requirements have been put in place in the first place when we all know Windows 11 runs just fine without any of the requirements. One would think MS would not alienate their customer base by making some drastic decision in the future, but we've got to remember it's MS we dealing with. Their track record has not always been favorable, but they've never once shut the OS down if it wasn't supported. I'll bet they have something up their sleeve though. But one can look at it in another way as well. Why would they leave all the holes that let folks install Win11 on incompatible hardware in the first place? Just like why have they left the door open for all the tweaks we do. They could have locked this OS down tighter than Dick's hatband.
 

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    Windows 11 Pro 21H2 22000.675
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    PC/Desktop
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    Dell Optiplex 7080
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    i9-10900
    Memory
    32 gb
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    Benq 27
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    2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    256 m.2 2230-256+1 tb hdd
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    500w
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    MT
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    Dell Premium
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    Logitech wired
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    Logitech wireless
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    Windows 10 Pro 21H2
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    Dell Optiplex 9020
    CPU
    i7-4770
    Memory
    24 gb
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    256 gb Toshiba BG4 M.2 NVE SSB and 1 tb hdd
    PSU
    500w
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    MT
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    standard
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    Logitech wireless
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    Logitech wired
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What I find especially humorous is the users that upgrade to Windows 11 and then install all kinds of hacks and apps to make it look like/act like Windows 10 🥴
Hell I install hacks so windows looks like windows 95 so go figure. There are only three reasons I change OS's. 1 MS drops support for the OS I'm using, 2 The new OS has added functionality I have a need for or 3 I need to know how to navigate and operate a new OS so I can help out friends and relatives. IMO each new OS is more dumbed down than the last and soon we will wake up running mac's. MS must also have a click quota as every new OS adds as many additional clicks to get to a given setting as possible. MS should change its name to Antilogic!
 

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Hell I install hacks so windows looks like windows 95 so go figure. There are only three reasons I change OS's. 1 MS drops support for the OS I'm using, 2 The new OS has added functionality I have a need for or 3 I need to know how to navigate and operate a new OS so I can help out friends and relatives. IMO each new OS is more dumbed down than the last and soon we will wake up running mac's. MS must also have a click quota as every new OS adds as many additional clicks to get to a given setting as possible. MS should change its name to Antilogic!




LOL

I saw your account name in teeny font on the far right of the "What's New" page of the forum.
So I clicked on it and rushed to this topic/post to who "Wonderwench" was.
Once I saw the R in Wonderwrench... well it was a let down. :D
 

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    AMD Ryzen 7 3700X
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    Asus Pro WS X570-ACE
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    G.Skill (F4-3200C14D-16GTZKW)
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    2x Samsung 860 EVO 500GB,
    WD 4TB Black FZBX - SATA III,
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    PC Power & Cooling 750W Quad EPS12V
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    AMD Athlon 64 X2 5000+ (OC'd @ 3.2Ghz)
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    ASUS M2N32-SLI Deluxe Wireless Edition
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    TWIN2X2048-6400C4DHX (2 x 1GB, DDR2 800)
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    ViewSonic G90FB Black 19" Professional (CRT)
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    up to 2048 x 1536
    Hard Drives
    WD 36GB 10,000rpm Raptor SATA
    Seagate 80GB 7200rpm SATA
    Lite-On LTR-52246S CD/RW
    Lite-On LH-18A1P CD/DVD Burner
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    PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750 Quad EPS12V
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    Generic Beige case, 80mm fans
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    ZALMAN 9500A 92mm CPU Cooler
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    Logitech Optical M-BT96a
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    Logitech Classic Keybooard 200
    Internet Speed
    100/100
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    Firefox 3.x ??
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    Still assembled, still runs. Haven't turned it on for 13 years?

    http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?183088-5000-B-E-on-M2N32-SLI-Dlx-Overclocked&p=2891724#post2891724

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Reality has set in , I won't be updating to windows 11 anytime soon.
In addition to the above changes I cannot myself accept the changes to file explorer or the right click menu. As things stand I can't think of anything positive to say about Windows 11
Hi there
Why not "Dual boot" W10 and W11

Create EFI formatted FAT32 100 mb, MSR not formatted 128mb and single large partition (ntfs) on "C" drive (having backed your Windows system first.

Create 2 vhdx files, 1 each for windows 10 and 11 -- note these are NOT VM's and HYPER-V etc is not required so method also works on Windows HOME editions.

boot from Macrium free stand alone recovery or whatever recovery / imaging software you have and select the command mode

diskpart
select disk xxx
list vol
select vol xxx where xxx is the efi partition (usually shown as SYSTEM HIDDEN
assign letter=

create vhdx file=D:\W10.vhdx etc
attach vdisk
list disk
select disk yyy --- that's the vhdx attached
create partition primary
format fs=ntfs quick (VHDX boot doesn't need EFI -- the main disk has the EFI partition)
assign letter = w
exit

now restore your W10 system to W:

you have also to re-write the Windows boot mgr so get into the console command again

so cd w:\windows\system32

bcdboot w:\windows \s S: /f UEFI

now boot W10 -- should boot

for W11
from WITHIN W10

create another vhdx file W11.VHDX and assign and create an NTFS partition on it and assign S to the system EFI partition. Assume the W11/vhdx file is on W and W11 iso on E. You can get the iso from uupdump easily enough.

Now the install

dism /Apply-Image /ImageFile:E:\sources\install.wim /index:1 /ApplyDir:W:\
cd w:\windows\system32
bcdboot w:\windows /s S: /f UEFI

on boot you should then see choice of W10 and W11. Easy way of "physical dual boot" instead of messing about with loads of partitions, EFI stuff etc etc.

I have a ton of stuff on W11 currently and I've only allocated maximum size for the vhdx file (the "C" disk as 60 GB of which I've only used 42GB.

Skjámynd 2022-01-27 120947.png

W11 IMO seems to be a lot snappier than W10 and in any case good for testing real hardware. Done this way you've got choice of W10 or W11 without a load of backups and restores each time you want to change the OS and you can easily compare software running on W10 with same stuff on W11.

I've got all this lot available on a quite modest laptop : (2 versions of W11 -- one Eng, one Icelandic), W10, Windows server 2022 (180 day free trial so I can learn about and play with a Windows server) and GRUB which boots an Arch Linux distro.

Skjámynd 2021-11-12 071102.png

with also a LINUX OS as well available from the boot menu -- move mouse to change defaults / other options : (GRUB)

Skjámynd 2021-11-13 035849.png

In any case always keep OS separate from data files e.g multi-media, office documents, email data etc etc. That way you can keep the OS disk small and if it goes pear shaped you don't have to mess around recovering user data.

Cheers
jimbo
 
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Wonderwrench

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FYI I just upgraded Windows 10 Pro 21H2 to Windows 11 Pro on the system listed in my profile yesterday. Asus claims the motherboard is Windows 11 ready. TPM was enabled by default but secure boot is not and is set to legacy OS. Windows 11 installed fine and has no complaints even though secure boot is still not enabled and set to legacy OS. I'm getting windows updates so I'm going to leave it be as its nice to boot up in less than 15 seconds.
 

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    ASUS ROG STRIX B550-F GAMING
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    G.SKILL 32GB 2X16 F4 3600C16-16GTZNC
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    Zotac GTX1070Ti AMP Extreme
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    Dell S2716DG
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    1440P @ 120Hz
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LOL

I saw your account name in teeny font on the far right of the "What's New" page of the forum.
So I clicked on it and rushed to this topic/post to who "Wonderwench" was.
Once I saw the R in Wonderwrench... well it was a let down. :D
Sorry to disappoint! Years ago it got very difficult to come up with a forum name that was not already used. I worked as an auto technician and was given the name by another technician.

The story goes if you care to hear it. I was working in a small shop and was the low man on the pole. I was given a water pump job on a ford pinto (easy job). The head tech was given a water pump on a dodge van (pain in the ars). The head tech cried to the owner and I was given the van instead. I was ****** off and worked as hard as I could and finished the van before the head tech finished the pinto. The number 2 tech came up to me and said "you are a freaking wonder wrench". From that day forward the name stuck even though I thought of my self as a common mortal. Once I left this shop I never used this nick name again.

I later found that the Wonderwrench nick works well online as it is uncommon so I use it everywhere I can. If you see the nick some place else its most likely me though there are a few copy cats out there.
 

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    Memory
    G.SKILL 32GB 2X16 F4 3600C16-16GTZNC
    Graphics Card(s)
    Zotac GTX1070Ti AMP Extreme
    Sound Card
    High Definition Audio CODEC S1220A
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dell S2716DG
    Screen Resolution
    1440P @ 120Hz
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 980 Pro 1 TB, Samsung 860 EVO 1 TB, Samsung 860 EVO 2 TB
    PSU
    Seasonic PRIME TX-750 SSR-750TR.
    Case
    Fractal Design Define R5
    Cooling
    NOCTUA NH-U12S
    Keyboard
    Corsair K70 MK2
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    Logitech G602
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Well, I think the story for Wonderwench, might have been better. :)
 

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    Win 11 Home ♦♦♦22000.675
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    PC/Desktop
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    Built by Ghot® [May 2020]
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    AMD Ryzen 7 3700X
    Motherboard
    Asus Pro WS X570-ACE
    Memory
    G.Skill (F4-3200C14D-16GTZKW)
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA RTX 2070 (08G-P4-2171-KR)
    Sound Card
    (onboard) Realtek ALC1220P / ALC S1220A
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dell U3011 30"
    Screen Resolution
    2560 x 1600
    Hard Drives
    2x Samsung 860 EVO 500GB,
    WD 4TB Black FZBX - SATA III,
    WD 8TB Black FZBX - SATA III,
    LG GH22LS30 CD/DVD Burner
    PSU
    PC Power & Cooling 750W Quad EPS12V
    Case
    COOLER MASTER ATCS 840 Full Tower
    Cooling
    CM Hyper 212 EVO (push/pull)
    Keyboard
    Ducky DK9008 Shine II Blue LED
    Mouse
    Logitech Optical M-100
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    100/100
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    Bitdefender Internet Security (latest)
    Other Info
    Speakers: Klipsch Pro Media 2.1
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    Windows XP Pro 32bit w/SP3
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    PC/Desktop
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    Built by Ghot®
    CPU
    AMD Athlon 64 X2 5000+ (OC'd @ 3.2Ghz)
    Motherboard
    ASUS M2N32-SLI Deluxe Wireless Edition
    Memory
    TWIN2X2048-6400C4DHX (2 x 1GB, DDR2 800)
    Graphics card(s)
    EVGA 256-P2-N758-TR GeForce 8600GT SSC
    Sound Card
    Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    ViewSonic G90FB Black 19" Professional (CRT)
    Screen Resolution
    up to 2048 x 1536
    Hard Drives
    WD 36GB 10,000rpm Raptor SATA
    Seagate 80GB 7200rpm SATA
    Lite-On LTR-52246S CD/RW
    Lite-On LH-18A1P CD/DVD Burner
    PSU
    PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750 Quad EPS12V
    Case
    Generic Beige case, 80mm fans
    Cooling
    ZALMAN 9500A 92mm CPU Cooler
    Mouse
    Logitech Optical M-BT96a
    Keyboard
    Logitech Classic Keybooard 200
    Internet Speed
    100/100
    Browser
    Firefox 3.x ??
    Antivirus
    Symantec (Norton)
    Other Info
    Still assembled, still runs. Haven't turned it on for 13 years?

    http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?183088-5000-B-E-on-M2N32-SLI-Dlx-Overclocked&p=2891724#post2891724

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I've read all of these things and tried them Many of them resulted in a failure to work because of MBR partitions. It would be trivial to wipe the partitions but my goal was to keep the data on the drive. Obviously I did something wrong until I did it on a supported computer. At this point I have all the systems running Win 11 that I want running it and I won't need to fuss with it again unless I buy a refurbished computer in the future. It took longer than necessary but time runs pretty quickly at my age.
I updated 2 machines, old and neither had TPM, and it worked flawlessly. This simple set of instructions worked like a charm, leaving all programs and data. See this link, post # 266.

Update on Unsupported Equipment

But after working with Win 11 I'll keep it on my laptop but Win 11 isn't really an upgrade as much as it is a GUI update. So if you have a machine you're happy with and really just use the machine for productivity rather than for the fun of tweaking, I'd just leave it alone.
John
 

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    Intel Core i5 5200U @ 2.20GH
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    Hewlett-Packard 802D
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    16 GB
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    NVIDIA GeForce MX250 graphics
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    119GB AXNS381E-128GM-B (SATA (SSD))
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    HP Spectre x360 Convertible 13-4001DX
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    Hewlett-Packard 802D
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    4 GB soldered in
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    Intel HD Graphics 5500
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