Upgrade 11 to 10?


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Hello folks. I've recently bought some laptops that came with 11 preinstalled. I'm wondering if it's possible to upgrade these to 10 (or better still, 7) without shelling out for a new OS for each machine? At this stage I'm inclined to run linux and virtualise the 10 install from the machines I'm replacing.

Cheers.
 

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Hello folks. I've recently bought some laptops that came with 11 preinstalled. I'm wondering if it's possible to upgrade these to 10 (or better still, 7) without shelling out for a new OS for each machine?
10 should be possible, but it would require a clean install. As long as you install the same edition (Home or Pro) then it will activate from the existing digital licence. Microsoft do not distinguish between 10 or 11 as far as keys or digital licences are concerned, they are all for 'Windows 10/11' now.

Windows 7 may be difficult/impossible to install on modern PC, driver support would be the main problem. More on that on Seven Forums. Even if you could install it, you'll need to obtain a Windows 7 key to activate it.

 

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    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October. Windows Update offered the 22H2 Feature Update on 20th September 2022.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, Windows 11 Pro.

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 4GB RAM, 128GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro 22H2 RTM as a native boot vhdx.
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    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround. In-place upgrade to 22H2 using ISO and a workaround.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, Windows 11 Pro.

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 4GB RAM, 128GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro 22H2 RTM as a native boot vhdx.

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Hello folks. I've recently bought some laptops that came with 11 preinstalled. I'm wondering if it's possible to upgrade these to 10 (or better still, 7) without shelling out for a new OS for each machine? At this stage I'm inclined to run linux and virtualise the 10 install from the machines I'm replacing.

Cheers.
err - you mean downgrade.

Running windows in a Linux vm is possible but slower using QEMU - maybe a type 1 hypervisor would be more effective.

Windows 7 should run in a qemu vm, but probably not on host.

W10 should run on host but export drivers from pre-installed W11 version in case they are missing in W10 host.

If it was me, I would leave W11 installed, but add new drive (or shrink current drive) and install W10 as a dual boot option.

Whatever you do make an image backup of current pcs usin Macrium Reflect Free or similar in case things go wrong.
 

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No, I definitely meant upgrade. Thanks for assistance, downloading 10 iso now
 

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No, I definitely meant upgrade.
You may regard it as an 'upgrade'. As far as Microsoft's Windows installer is concerned it is a downgrade, and as such Setup.exe will not let you keep any personal files or installed apps.

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    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October. Windows Update offered the 22H2 Feature Update on 20th September 2022.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, Windows 11 Pro.

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 4GB RAM, 128GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro 22H2 RTM as a native boot vhdx.
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    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround. In-place upgrade to 22H2 using ISO and a workaround.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, Windows 11 Pro.

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 4GB RAM, 128GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro 22H2 RTM as a native boot vhdx.

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You may regard it as an 'upgrade'. As far as Microsoft's Windows installer is concerned it is a downgrade, and as such Setup.exe will not let you keep any installed apps.
Yeah.. but Win 11 is not a new OS .. it's just a mish-mash of Win10X... Personally I'd rather wait for a complete new OS.
 

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10 installer sees no storage option, which is a pity. Googling, but welcome ideas on that
 

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It seems happy to run if I start the installer from 11.
 

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    fully 'Windows 11 ready' laptop. Windows 10 C: partition migrated from my old unsupported 'main machine' then upgraded to 11. A test migration ran Insider builds for 2 months. When 11 was released on 5th October it was re-imaged back to 10 and was offered the upgrade in Windows Update on 20th October. Windows Update offered the 22H2 Feature Update on 20th September 2022.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, Windows 11 Pro.

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 4GB RAM, 128GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro 22H2 RTM as a native boot vhdx.
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    unsupported machine: Legacy bios, MBR, TPM 1.2, upgraded from W10 to W11 using W10/W11 hybrid install media workaround. In-place upgrade to 22H2 using ISO and a workaround.

    My SYSTEM THREE is a Dell Latitude 5410, i7-10610U, 32GB RAM, 512GB ssd, Windows 11 Pro.

    My SYSTEM FOUR is a 2-in-1 convertible Lenovo Yoga 11e 20DA, Celeron N2930, 4GB RAM, 128GB ssd. Unsupported device: currently running Win10 Pro, plus Win11 Pro 22H2 RTM as a native boot vhdx.

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There was one thread in which an OP had reported moving from Windows 11 to Windows 10 by using an old Windows 10 iso.

If you have important files you may be able to perform a custom install.

If you do not have important files you can perform a clean install.


For the custom install files are saved by Windows to Windows.old.
A fresh installation of Windows can be performed (windows 11 or 10).
Once you're satisfied with the Windows installation you restore important files from Windows.old.

If you're interested in either custom or clean install please comment into this thread and I'll post the links.

An additional option is to dual boot: Windows and Linux
 

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10 installer sees no storage option, which is a pity. Googling, but welcome ideas on that
As I said in post 3, if you DOWNGRADE,

W10 should run on host but export drivers from pre-installed W11 version in case they are missing in W10 host.
 

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    Integrated Intel Iris XE
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    Realtek built in
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    1920x1080
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    1 TB Optane NVME SSD, 1 TB NVME SSD
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    Yep, got one
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    Stella Artois
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A problem will exist in whether Win7 has drivers for Win11 hardware since Win7 is well past its EOL and Win8.1 will be early next year. As for Upgrade or Downgrade, a procession in numbering indicates the larger/latest is the Upgrade from older/smaller.
 

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    8GB
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Yeah.. but Win 11 is not a new OS .. it's just a mish-mash of Win10X... Personally I'd rather wait for a complete new OS.
And 10 is a mish mash of 8/8.1 which is a mish mash of 7 which is a mish mash of Vista etc etc etc
 

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10 installer sees no storage option,
In some cases, a clean install (doesn't matter if it's 7,8,10 or 11) will require a storage driver before your hard drive or ssd is "seen" during the install I have found this to be especially true on certain Dells. In the past this was called a f6 driver. I have to do it on both of mine.

1. Download the appropriate Intel Rapid Storage Technology F6 Driver for x64 Windows from the Dell support site for your computer.
2. Extract the driver file(s) and copy them to a USB drive. The USB drive would then be plugged into the machine during the Windows install process and selected with the Load Drivers button when prompted
 

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Upgrade means to improve the quality or utility. This is unequivocal. It has nothing to do with newness or numbering.

It may also be subjective. In my case, the latter release is a downgrade because it detracts from the utility.

I'm pleased to confirm I have, with the help of the first respondent, fixed the issue.
 

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Upgrade means to improve the quality or utility. This is unequivocal. It has nothing to do with newness or numbering.

It may also be subjective. In my case, the latter release is a downgrade because it detracts from the utility.

I'm pleased to confirm I have, with the help of the first respondent, fixed the issue.
When people upgrade they're phone contract even if to a lesser plan/handset. Its still called an upgrade due to it being newer.
 

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