What is codename Windows K2 for Microsoft to save Windows 11

pseymour · Monday at 7:53 PM

cheaterslick said:
Besides, simply publishing code is not against the law in the United States.

That's mostly true, but not always.

Ghot · Monday at 8:16 PM

In March, Windows president Pavan Davuluri confirmed plans to address serious "paint points" across Windows 11 that have eroded user trust and generated a wave of negative sentiment around the OS, spawned from Microsoft's relentless push into AI and enshittification while neglecting core Windows fundamentals such as performance and reliability.

Still waiting. ^^

cheaterslick · Monday at 8:29 PM

Ghot said:
Still waiting. ^^

(crickets....)

PhilB · Tuesday at 3:59 PM

cheaterslick said:
Agree. The way he went about it was wrong, however keeping silent about these vulnerabilities existing is doubly wrong. Besides, simply publishing code is not against the law in the United States. And it seems MS already has recently had a track record of not rewarding those who point out vulnerabilities ahead of time while playing by the rules, only to have them (MS) silently fix it later without any acknowledgement.

Now that it's out in public, MS better do something about it. If their security teams are working 'overtime', well I can't say I feel too sorry about that, either. If this forces them to move their ass instead of taking their own sweet time about it, then so much the better! And by the same token, reward those who point these things out while playing by the rules. Don't take the people helping you out for granted.

Maybe now they'll focus less on AI and focus more on fixing what they already have, which was supposed to be the point of their K2 announcement up above to begin with. Right?

What she said. All of it. ^^^^

PhilB · Tuesday at 4:01 PM

Ghot said:
Still waiting. ^^

I'm waitng for a roadmap and timeline. Until then, it's just corporate cotton-in-your-mouth talk.

hdmi · 2026-06-10T02:40:48-0400

x509 said:
Embarrassing, but still not a good thing that this guy did. Sure he's pissed at MS, and I would be too, but releasing 0-days just for spite is way over the top, That all said, the MSRC needs to overhaul their response process.

Quit trying to defend megacorporations who would happily snipe your mom if it allowed them to make 2 cents extra profit. lol

cheaterslick · 2026-06-10T05:39:18-0400

x509 said:
What she said. All of it. ^^^^

She?? ---

PhilB · 2026-06-10T15:46:08-0400

hdmi said:
Quit trying to defend megacorporations who would happily snipe your mom if it allowed them to make 2 cents extra profit. lol

I am NOT tryng to defend Microsoft or other megacorps. In my careers, I hated it when my startup or small company got acquired. My comment was about the "greater common interest" of users, if that is even a thing any longer.

Marie SWE · 2026-06-10T16:14:58-0400

x509 said:
"greater common interest" of users

Sadly that is no longer a thing for Google, Apple, Microsoft or Meta.

I'm trying to say this without bias..
But only Android opensource OS's like (LineageOS/GrapheneOS/iodé)..... and the majority of Linux distributions except(Redhat-IBM / Ubuntu-Canonical / Amazon Linux-Amazon) only have the ("greater common interest" of users) nowadays.

If we turn back the clock 15-20 years.. Then all OS's was about the best interest for the users.
Nowadays, those four is all about making as much money they can on the users.

and even more dangerous that almost nobody sees, is that locking you in to cloud solutions is to hold your data as a time bomb....
Company's and normal persons got their accounts closed and they lost all their data..
A data breach can leak all your data onto the dark web...
The new cloud act makes GDPR and other countries privacy laws totally toothless, as USA government and agency's can demand getting everyone's data that is stored in USA based big-tech company's
Microsoft, Apple, Google, Meta is demanded by law to hand over your data you have stored in the cloud including your bitlocker keys that is stored in your Microsoft account if they are served a court order. (some of them gives out data without it, as they sell data to databrokers or for machine learning)

and almost no one, either care or even know about it.

cheaterslick · 2026-06-10T17:06:47-0400

PhilB said:
My comment was about the "greater common interest" of users, if that is even a thing any longer.

Well it's not, but it should be.

cereberus · 2026-06-10T17:27:17-0400

All this stuff about K2 - feels like MS are climbing mountains?

PhilB · 2026-06-10T17:46:32-0400

Marie SWE said:
Sadly that is no longer a thing for Google, Apple, Microsoft or Meta.

I'm trying to say this without bias..
But only Android opensource OS's like (LineageOS/GrapheneOS/iodé)..... and the majority of Linux distributions except(Redhat-IBM / Ubuntu-Canonical / Amazon Linux-Amazon) only have the ("greater common interest" of users) nowadays.

If we turn back the clock 15-20 years.. Then all OS's was about the best interest for the users.
Nowadays, those four is all about making as much money they can on the users.

and even more dangerous that almost nobody sees, is that locking you in to cloud solutions is to hold your data as a time bomb....
Company's and normal persons got their accounts closed and they lost all their data..
A data breach can leak all your data onto the dark web...
The new cloud act makes GDPR and other countries privacy laws totally toothless, as USA government and agency's can demand getting everyone's data that is stored in USA based big-tech company's
Microsoft, Apple, Google, Meta is demanded by law to hand over your data you have stored in the cloud including your bitlocker keys that is stored in your Microsoft account if they are served a court order. (some of them gives out data without it, as they sell data to databrokers or for machine learning)

and almost no one, either care or even know about it.

And powerful AI models will only make all these situations worse and worse. Who knows, in-person bank transactions may experience a comeback. Same for in-store (brick and mortar) purchases. And paper bills and statements. And written correspondence. Back to the 70s.

Marie SWE · 2026-06-10T17:46:44-0400

cereberus said:
All this stuff about K2 - feels like MS are climbing mountains?

Yeah

I have a feeling it will be easier for Microsoft to build a rocket and go to the moon and back then getting back the trust they have lost.
Going to the moon is easy if you have money... but you can never buy trust.

I miss windows as hell.. as there is so much good power-user software out there to Windows

PhilB · 2026-06-10T17:50:03-0400

Marie SWE said:
Yeah I have a feeling it will be easier for Microsoft to build a rocket and go to the moon and back then getting back the trust they have lost.
Going to the moon is easy if you have money... but you can never buy trust.

Also Mars according to the Apple TV program For All Mankind. But not for NASA or the Russians.

I trust Microsoft a lot compared with Google, Meta/Facebook and other social media. I do still trust eBay, however.

Marie SWE said:
I miss windows as hell.. as there is so much good power-user software out there to Windows

True.

Marie SWE · 2026-06-10T18:05:17-0400

PhilB said:
And powerful AI models will only make all these situations worse and worse. Who knows, in-person bank transactions may experience a comeback. Same for in-store (brick and mortar) purchases. And paper bills and statements. And written correspondence. Back to the 70s.

So true, so true... AI is as dangerous as it is useful.

and this is why i am sooooo anti-AI inside operating systems... as an AI should not under any circumstances have write access to a live system... In a test environment(VM or home-lab) its really useful to have write access to the system, as you can test implementations and things.. then it isn't any real danger if prompt-injection or the AI hallucinate and start wiping files or configurations.. That can actually be really fun.

But AI as read only + notify and perhaps even block actions, is really useful on a live system, as you can detect bugs or intrusions, system errors or warnings etc. etc.

AI is fun.. I use it on almost daily bases where i both use it for troubleshooting, and also to learn AI and how to really abuse it.. (to learn how to defend and to see its strength and weaknesses)

Perhaps not back to the 70's.. But i would not object or complain to go back to the late 00' or early 10's.

Marie SWE · 2026-06-10T18:11:40-0400

PhilB said:
Also Mars according to the Apple TV program For All Mankind. But not for NASA or the Russians.

I trust Microsoft a lot compared with Google, Meta/Facebook and other social media. I do still trust eBay, however.

True.

I dont trust Google, Apple, Meta, Microsoft or Amazon.. and i dont even trust myself before three cups of coffee. *LOL* :lmao:

I have actually never used eBay.. i buy all my things over the counter in real stores, so i can look and feel on things before i pay for it.

DarkShadowMD · 2026-06-10T18:45:42-0400

I'll just say this: If I don't see substantial changes for performance in general without "great ideas" like using more RAM for File Explorer precaching, in times like these where everything is expensive as hell... K2 is just another big lie to try recover users back from Linux, especially Steam OS...

You have this 3rd tri-mester to do something Microsoft, or you are gonna lose your user base forever lol

cheaterslick · 2026-06-10T19:00:52-0400

PhilB said:
And powerful AI models will only make all these situations worse and worse. Who knows, in-person bank transactions may experience a comeback. Same for in-store (brick and mortar) purchases. And paper bills and statements. And written correspondence. Back to the 70s.

Well there ya go, although I'm not looking forward to writing checks (cheques) again. :nope:

PhilB · 2026-06-10T23:25:10-0400

cheaterslick said:
Well there ya go, although I'm not looking forward to writing checks (cheques) again.

I write checks on my desktop system using Quicken. I don't store a backup copy in the cloud, which Quicken offers.

HeavyHemi · 2026-06-10T23:32:11-0400

DarkShadowMD said:
I'll just say this: If I don't see substantial changes for performance in general without "great ideas" like using more RAM for File Explorer precaching, in times like these where everything is expensive as hell... K2 is just another big lie to try recover users back from Linux, especially Steam OS...

You have this 3rd tri-mester to do something Microsoft, or you are gonna lose your user base forever lol

As far as I can tell the Linux and Steam OS user base is fairly static. Folks have been predicting the imminent demise of MS for decades.
Looks like growth on the desktop has kinda flatlined.

Linux Desktop Market Share (Yearly Trends)

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