Why Linux isn't a replacement for Windows 10 if you can't run Windows 11 - debate!


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Also why you must specifically have these two fonts? Arial in Windows and the respective fonts in Linux can handle Hebrew text and polytonic Greek text fine.
I wrote a book, more specifically a manuscript, using these fonts.
 

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    RAID arrays included:

    LSI RAID 10 (WD Velociraptors) 1115.72 GB
    LSI RAID 10 (WD SSDS) 463.80 GB

    INTEL RAID 0 (KINGSTON HYPER X) System 447.14 GB
    INTEL RAID 1 TOSHIBA ENTERPRIZE class Data 2794.52 GB
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    SEVERAL. I prefer my Corsair Platinum HX1000i but I also like EVGA power supplies
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    Internet Speed
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    FIREFOX
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    Gave Dell touch screen with Windows 11 to daughter and got me an OTVOC. Being a PC builder I own many desktop PCs as well. I am a father of five providing PCs, laptops, and tablets for all my family, most of which I have modified, rebuilt, or simply built from scratch. I do not own a cell phone, never have, never will.
I wrote a book, more specifically a manuscript, using these fonts.
I see. Just install both for all users (globally) and they should work everywhere. I have installed Ubuntu in a virtual machine for testing and it just doesn't make sense. Every font I install for my current user never works, never appears to choose it in any application. Once I install it for all users, it is available. I can't see why. I even make sure to install it for all users in Windows, just in case.
 

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    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 (5699), 25H2 (8457)
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    Laptop
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    Acer Extensa 5630EZ
    CPU
    Mobile DualCore Intel Core 2 Duo T7250, 2000 MHz
    Motherboard
    Acer Extensa 5630
    Memory
    4GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Mobile Intel(R) GMA 4500M (Mobile 4 series)
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC268 @ Intel 82801IB ICH9 - High Definition Audio Controller
    Monitor(s) Displays
    1
    Screen Resolution
    1280x800
    Hard Drives
    Samsung SSD 850 EVO 250GB SATA Device (250 GB, SATA-III)
    Internet Speed
    VDSL 50 Mbps
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    MICROSOFT EDGE
    Antivirus
    WINDOWS DEFENDER
    Other Info
    Legacy MBR installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, no WDDM 2.0 graphics drivers, no SSE4.2, cannot get more unsupported ;) This is only my test laptop. I had installed Windows 11 here before upgrading my main PC. For my main PC I use everyday see my 2nd system specs.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro v25H2 (build 26200.8457)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom-built PC
    CPU
    Intel Core-i7 3770 3.40GHz s1155 (3rd generation)
    Motherboard
    Asus P8H61 s1155 ATX
    Memory
    2x Kingston Hyper-X Blu 8GB DDR3-1600
    Graphics card(s)
    GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 3050 WINDFORCE OC V2 6GB (GV-N3050WF2OCV2-6GD)
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD audio (ALC887)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia KDL-19L4000 19" LCD TV via VGA
    Screen Resolution
    1440x900 32-bit 60Hz
    Hard Drives
    WD Blue SA510 2.5 1000GB SSD as system disk, Western Digital Caviar Purple 4TB SATA III (WD40PURZ) as second
    PSU
    Thermaltake Litepower RGB 550W Full Wired
    Case
    SUPERCASE MIDI-TOWER
    Cooling
    Deepcool Gamma Archer CPU cooler, 1x 8cm fan at the back
    Keyboard
    Mitsumi 101-key PS/2
    Mouse
    Sunnyline OptiEye PS/2
    Internet Speed
    100Mbps
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge, Mozilla Firefox
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Windows Defender
    Other Info
    Legacy BIOS (MBR) installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, WDDM 3.0 graphics drivers, WEI score 7.4
I see. Just install both for all users (globally) and they should work everywhere. I have installed Ubuntu in a virtual machine for testing and it just doesn't make sense. Every font I install for my current user never works, never appears to choose it in any application. Once I install it for all users, it is available. I can't see why. I even make sure to install it for all users in Windows, just in case.
lol Somehow I just knew you would respond to this and I thank you for the tip. I've only managed to make this font work in Windows and it is one of the main reasons I keep using Windows. To see it work in Linux would please me immensely.
 

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    WIN 11, WIN 10, WIN 8.1, WIN 7 U, WIN 7 PRO, WIN 7 HOME (32 Bit), LINUX MINT
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    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    DIY, ASUS, and DELL
    CPU
    Intel i7 6900K and i9-7960X / AMD 3800X (8 core)
    Motherboard
    ASUS X99E-WS USB 3.1 and ASUS X299 SAGE
    Memory
    128 GB CORSAIR DOMINATOR PLATINUM (B DIE)
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA 1070 and RTX 3070
    Sound Card
    Crystal Sound (onboard)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    single Samsung 30" 4K and 8" aux monitor
    Screen Resolution
    4K and something equally attrocious. I'll be working on this.
    Hard Drives
    A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, L, M, N, O, P, Q, R, S, T, U, V, W

    Ports X, Y, and Z are reserved for USB access and removable drives.

    Drive types consist of the following: Various mechanical hard drives bearing the brand names, Seagate, Toshiba, and Western Digital. Various NVMe drives bearing the brand names Kingston, Intel, Silicon Power, Crucial, Western Digital, and Team Group. Various SATA SSDs bearing various different brand names.

    RAID arrays included:

    LSI RAID 10 (WD Velociraptors) 1115.72 GB
    LSI RAID 10 (WD SSDS) 463.80 GB

    INTEL RAID 0 (KINGSTON HYPER X) System 447.14 GB
    INTEL RAID 1 TOSHIBA ENTERPRIZE class Data 2794.52 GB
    INTEL RAID 1 SEAGATE HYBRID 931.51 GB
    PSU
    SEVERAL. I prefer my Corsair Platinum HX1000i but I also like EVGA power supplies
    Case
    ThermalTake Level 10 GT (among others)
    Cooling
    Noctua is my favorite and I use it in my main. I also own various other coolers.
    Keyboard
    all kinds.
    Mouse
    all kinds
    Internet Speed
    360 mbps - 1 gbps (depending)
    Browser
    FIREFOX
    Antivirus
    KASPERSKY (no apologies)
    Other Info
    Gave Dell touch screen with Windows 11 to daughter and got me an OTVOC. Being a PC builder I own many desktop PCs as well. I am a father of five providing PCs, laptops, and tablets for all my family, most of which I have modified, rebuilt, or simply built from scratch. I do not own a cell phone, never have, never will.
Hmm linux and scaling…
Original argument I will give you that.


I have a netbook, a laptop loads of desktops

My netbook will run windows 98 or xp but the scaling sucks as its 1024 x 600. Its old it sucks but its still bought out from time to time.

Works perfect with Linux
I prefer LXDE based distros

Although eliminatory os isn’t to bad

Each to their own.
There are so many distros of Linux and so many different desktop environments.
Some will run on a potato others need a tiny bit of power.


Put a few family members on to linux mint mate.
They only get on the internet and don't need the latest computer.
They asked a few questions but can email browse and print stuff :P
 

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    Asus B850M
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    64GB DDR5
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I see. Just install both for all users (globally) and they should work everywhere. I have installed Ubuntu in a virtual machine for testing and it just doesn't make sense. Every font I install for my current user never works, never appears to choose it in any application. Once I install it for all users, it is available. I can't see why. I even make sure to install it for all users in Windows, just in case.

in Ubuntu you need to install. the fonts system wide as sudo
best of luck, Steve ..
 

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    Ryzen 7 5825u
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    HP
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    64GB DDR4 3200
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    Ryzen 7 5825u
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    RealTek
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    24" HP AiO
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    1920 x 1080 @60 Hz
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    1TB WD Blue SN580 M2 SSD Partitioned.
    2x 1TB USB HDD External Backup/Storage.
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    90W external power brick
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    24" All in One
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    Default Air Cooling
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    HP WiFi UK extended
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    HP WiFi 3 Button
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    1GB full fibre
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    Edge & Firefox
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    AVG Internet Security/Windows Defender
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    Mainly Open Source Software
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    Dell 13" Latitude 2017
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    i5 7200u
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    Dell
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    16GB DDR4
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    Intel
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    Intel
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    13" Dell Laptop
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    250GB Crucial 2.5" SSD
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    Generic WiFi 3 button
    Internet Speed
    WiFi only
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    Firefox
    Antivirus
    ClamAV TK
    Other Info
    Mainly Open Source Software
in Ubuntu you need to install. the fonts system wide as sudo
best of luck, Steve ..
Yes, if you use the Terminal, you install them system-wide. If you right-click on the font file and select Install (like you would do in Windows), it doesn't work! You have to install any font system-wide and this is only done if you open it and select install. That is just one of the weird Linux behaviors, add another 10-15 and you see why I insist it's not suitable for the novice ex-Windows user. And if I am the one to install Linux on his PC, I am the one to get all the blame. I don't want that. I cannot recommend something I don't like, I don't use and I am not willing to provide constant support for. I will bypass compatibility check and install Windows 11 24H2 for suitable systems or 23H2 for older systems. That I will gladly do and provide support for it (not as frequently as it will be necessary with Linux).

PS: I think it's much better to have Windows 11 23H2 without support after October 2025, than have Windows 10 or earlier without support. At least it is more future proof and should have less compatibility issues with new hardware and software.
 

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    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 (5699), 25H2 (8457)
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    Acer Extensa 5630EZ
    CPU
    Mobile DualCore Intel Core 2 Duo T7250, 2000 MHz
    Motherboard
    Acer Extensa 5630
    Memory
    4GB
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    Mobile Intel(R) GMA 4500M (Mobile 4 series)
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    Realtek ALC268 @ Intel 82801IB ICH9 - High Definition Audio Controller
    Monitor(s) Displays
    1
    Screen Resolution
    1280x800
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    Samsung SSD 850 EVO 250GB SATA Device (250 GB, SATA-III)
    Internet Speed
    VDSL 50 Mbps
    Browser
    MICROSOFT EDGE
    Antivirus
    WINDOWS DEFENDER
    Other Info
    Legacy MBR installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, no WDDM 2.0 graphics drivers, no SSE4.2, cannot get more unsupported ;) This is only my test laptop. I had installed Windows 11 here before upgrading my main PC. For my main PC I use everyday see my 2nd system specs.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro v25H2 (build 26200.8457)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom-built PC
    CPU
    Intel Core-i7 3770 3.40GHz s1155 (3rd generation)
    Motherboard
    Asus P8H61 s1155 ATX
    Memory
    2x Kingston Hyper-X Blu 8GB DDR3-1600
    Graphics card(s)
    GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 3050 WINDFORCE OC V2 6GB (GV-N3050WF2OCV2-6GD)
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD audio (ALC887)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia KDL-19L4000 19" LCD TV via VGA
    Screen Resolution
    1440x900 32-bit 60Hz
    Hard Drives
    WD Blue SA510 2.5 1000GB SSD as system disk, Western Digital Caviar Purple 4TB SATA III (WD40PURZ) as second
    PSU
    Thermaltake Litepower RGB 550W Full Wired
    Case
    SUPERCASE MIDI-TOWER
    Cooling
    Deepcool Gamma Archer CPU cooler, 1x 8cm fan at the back
    Keyboard
    Mitsumi 101-key PS/2
    Mouse
    Sunnyline OptiEye PS/2
    Internet Speed
    100Mbps
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge, Mozilla Firefox
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Windows Defender
    Other Info
    Legacy BIOS (MBR) installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, WDDM 3.0 graphics drivers, WEI score 7.4
Yes, if you use the Terminal, you install them system-wide. If you right-click on the font file and select Install (like you would do in Windows), it doesn't work! You have to install any font system-wide and this is only done if you open it and select install. That is just one of the weird Linux behaviors, add another 10-15 and you see why I insist it's not suitable for the novice ex-Windows user. And if I am the one to install Linux on his PC, I am the one to get all the blame. I don't want that. I cannot recommend something I don't like, I don't use and I am not willing to provide constant support for. I will bypass compatibility check and install Windows 11 24H2 for suitable systems or 23H2 for older systems. That I will gladly do and provide support for it (not as frequently as it will be necessary with Linux).

PS: I think it's much better to have Windows 11 23H2 without support after October 2025, than have Windows 10 or earlier without support. At least it is more future proof and should have less compatibility issues with new hardware and software.

your choice as always.
best of luck, Steve ..
 

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    Windows 11 Home
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    HP 24" AiO
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    Ryzen 7 5825u
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    HP
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    64GB DDR4 3200
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    Ryzen 7 5825u
    Sound Card
    RealTek
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    24" HP AiO
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080 @60 Hz
    Hard Drives
    1TB WD Blue SN580 M2 SSD Partitioned.
    2x 1TB USB HDD External Backup/Storage.
    PSU
    90W external power brick
    Case
    24" All in One
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    Default Air Cooling
    Keyboard
    HP WiFi UK extended
    Mouse
    HP WiFi 3 Button
    Internet Speed
    1GB full fibre
    Browser
    Edge & Firefox
    Antivirus
    AVG Internet Security/Windows Defender
    Other Info
    Mainly Open Source Software
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    Ubuntu 22.04.5 LTS
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    Laptop
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    Dell 13" Latitude 2017
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    i5 7200u
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    Dell
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    16GB DDR4
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    Intel
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    Intel
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    13" Dell Laptop
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    250GB Crucial 2.5" SSD
    Mouse
    Generic WiFi 3 button
    Internet Speed
    WiFi only
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    ClamAV TK
    Other Info
    Mainly Open Source Software
Can it run BST HEBREW and BST GREEK?
Hi there
In Windows settings go to add optional features then select pan-european fonts and any others you want e.g greek, hebrew etc etc.

If you've installed these as extra language packs in windows then they should work automatically. It depends also on what the app itself does - e.g for Microsoft Office you have to install a language explicitly or it will default to the windows display language.

Warning -- take your time as the "add optional features" runs as slow as thick molasses. !! There is a progress indicator though.

Cheers
jimbo
 

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    2 X Intel i7
    Screen Resolution
    4KUHD X 2
Pan-European Fonts just adds an alternative version of Arial and some other fonts. I don't think it is necessary, as the standard Arial font can handle both Hebrew script and the Greek alphabet (including polytonic, obsolete archaic letters and Coptic letters). Just select Insert symbol in Word, switch to Arial and check. Or open Character Map utility and check there. I am not sure if Hebrew Supplemental Fonts adds any Hebrew symbols that Arial doesn't have. I don't speak or read Hebrew.

PS: Out of curiosity, why adding an optional feature takes that long? It is like it's downloading it from a good old 28.8K dial-up modem (not even 56K)! I understand it has to check compatibility and some other stuff before adding, but this is ridiculous! It feels like using an old 386 PC or something!
 

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    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 (5699), 25H2 (8457)
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Extensa 5630EZ
    CPU
    Mobile DualCore Intel Core 2 Duo T7250, 2000 MHz
    Motherboard
    Acer Extensa 5630
    Memory
    4GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Mobile Intel(R) GMA 4500M (Mobile 4 series)
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC268 @ Intel 82801IB ICH9 - High Definition Audio Controller
    Monitor(s) Displays
    1
    Screen Resolution
    1280x800
    Hard Drives
    Samsung SSD 850 EVO 250GB SATA Device (250 GB, SATA-III)
    Internet Speed
    VDSL 50 Mbps
    Browser
    MICROSOFT EDGE
    Antivirus
    WINDOWS DEFENDER
    Other Info
    Legacy MBR installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, no WDDM 2.0 graphics drivers, no SSE4.2, cannot get more unsupported ;) This is only my test laptop. I had installed Windows 11 here before upgrading my main PC. For my main PC I use everyday see my 2nd system specs.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro v25H2 (build 26200.8457)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom-built PC
    CPU
    Intel Core-i7 3770 3.40GHz s1155 (3rd generation)
    Motherboard
    Asus P8H61 s1155 ATX
    Memory
    2x Kingston Hyper-X Blu 8GB DDR3-1600
    Graphics card(s)
    GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 3050 WINDFORCE OC V2 6GB (GV-N3050WF2OCV2-6GD)
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD audio (ALC887)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia KDL-19L4000 19" LCD TV via VGA
    Screen Resolution
    1440x900 32-bit 60Hz
    Hard Drives
    WD Blue SA510 2.5 1000GB SSD as system disk, Western Digital Caviar Purple 4TB SATA III (WD40PURZ) as second
    PSU
    Thermaltake Litepower RGB 550W Full Wired
    Case
    SUPERCASE MIDI-TOWER
    Cooling
    Deepcool Gamma Archer CPU cooler, 1x 8cm fan at the back
    Keyboard
    Mitsumi 101-key PS/2
    Mouse
    Sunnyline OptiEye PS/2
    Internet Speed
    100Mbps
    Browser
    Microsoft Edge, Mozilla Firefox
    Antivirus
    Microsoft Windows Defender
    Other Info
    Legacy BIOS (MBR) installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, WDDM 3.0 graphics drivers, WEI score 7.4
Pan-European Fonts just adds an alternative version of Arial and some other fonts. I don't think it is necessary, as the standard Arial font can handle both Hebrew script and the Greek alphabet (including polytonic, obsolete archaic letters and Coptic letters). Just select Insert symbol in Word, switch to Arial and check. Or open Character Map utility and check there. I am not sure if Hebrew Supplemental Fonts adds any Hebrew symbols that Arial doesn't have. I don't speak or read Hebrew.

PS: Out of curiosity, why adding an optional feature takes that long? It is like it's downloading it from a good old 28.8K dial-up modem (not even 56K)! I understand it has to check compatibility and some other stuff before adding, but this is ridiculous! It feels like using an old 386 PC or something!
I have no idea -- I always want the openssh-server, tpm diagnostics, and the storage management from these features. I did also use pan-european fonts because I couldn't get some icelandic characters to work properly - worked OK after i added the pan european fonts !!.

Skjámynd 2025-07-23 122628.webp

Also this sort of stuff - (not from Ms Office) was a horrible hodgpotch of mixed language and fonts !!!,. Now OK

Skjámynd 2025-07-23 123008.webp




Cheers
jimbo
 
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I just tried this and there were no issues what so ever.

I didn't quote the site I had a problem with, so your test not really relevant.
 

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    Xeon V4 Motherboard
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    48GB ECC DDR4
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    LG 27"
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    NVME, SSD
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    850W
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    Windows 11 IOT Enterprise LTSC/RHEL 10.1 KDE Plasma
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    HP Z440
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    Intel Xeom 2680 V4
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    HP Z440
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    64gb DDR4 ECC
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    AMD RX560
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    LG Gsync 27" 144hz
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    PSU
    standard 700W
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    standard
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    Standard
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    MS Edge
    Antivirus
    BitDefender
A previous poster stated this thread should be locked or even better deleted, I agree.

This thread stemmed from an inexperienced Linux user, having a problem with Linux.

It should have been posted on a Linux support forum.

As explained previously, Linux font scaling can be achieved in numerous ways, complaining about it in a Windows 11 forum, is not one of them.
 

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    HP Z640
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    Xeon 2667 v4
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    Xeon V4 Motherboard
    Memory
    48GB ECC DDR4
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    nVidia GTX 1650
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    LG 27"
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080@144hz
    Hard Drives
    NVME, SSD
    PSU
    850W
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    Windows 11 IOT Enterprise LTSC/RHEL 10.1 KDE Plasma
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    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Z440
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    Intel Xeom 2680 V4
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    HP Z440
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    64gb DDR4 ECC
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    AMD RX560
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    LG Gsync 27" 144hz
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080@144hz
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    SSD/nVme/HDD
    PSU
    standard 700W
    Case
    standard
    Cooling
    Standard
    Browser
    MS Edge
    Antivirus
    BitDefender
A previous poster stated this thread should be locked or even better deleted, I agree.

This thread stemmed from an inexperienced Linux user, having a problem with Linux.

It should have been posted on a Linux support forum.

As explained previously, Linux font scaling can be achieved in numerous ways, complaining about it in a Windows 11 forum, is not one of them.
Best solution, stick with Windows, don't even use a Linux Live USB.
 

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  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 (5699), 25H2 (8457)
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Extensa 5630EZ
    CPU
    Mobile DualCore Intel Core 2 Duo T7250, 2000 MHz
    Motherboard
    Acer Extensa 5630
    Memory
    4GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Mobile Intel(R) GMA 4500M (Mobile 4 series)
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC268 @ Intel 82801IB ICH9 - High Definition Audio Controller
    Monitor(s) Displays
    1
    Screen Resolution
    1280x800
    Hard Drives
    Samsung SSD 850 EVO 250GB SATA Device (250 GB, SATA-III)
    Internet Speed
    VDSL 50 Mbps
    Browser
    MICROSOFT EDGE
    Antivirus
    WINDOWS DEFENDER
    Other Info
    Legacy MBR installation, no TPM, no Secure Boot, no WDDM 2.0 graphics drivers, no SSE4.2, cannot get more unsupported ;) This is only my test laptop. I had installed Windows 11 here before upgrading my main PC. For my main PC I use everyday see my 2nd system specs.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro v25H2 (build 26200.8457)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom-built PC
    CPU
    Intel Core-i7 3770 3.40GHz s1155 (3rd generation)
    Motherboard
    Asus P8H61 s1155 ATX
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It's not difficult for committed Windows users to ignore the alternatives but it is difficult not to discuss any family of Operating Systems that Microsoft/Windows actually supports the use of in a still growing variety of ways.

Personally, I am a user of Windows, macOS and also some Linux distributions. However, none of them provide me with a complete standalone solution which meets my personal preferences/needs and I consider that each option has both strengths and weaknesses. What turned me to macOS as a 'primary driver', some 14 years ago, was, in my personaal opinion, the ill thought out design and release of Windows 8, but I've always continued to use a Windows (and Linux) implementation alongside macOS, because there are some features and software applications which I regularly use that I believe are best implemented in an alternative platforms. The relatively recent growth in ARM64 take-up across all platforms also revives the need to revisit the available options, but I don't currently see myself being convinced to stick exclusively with just one single platform.
 

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Right on. Here we are, almost to five pages, and the only person who has offered up any possible solution to the scaling was me, the guy who administers Windows boxes for a living. The most we've gotten from the Linux people is "works for me. 🤷‍♂️"

And in general, you're quite right. If you install Linux and give it an average home Windows user, and it goes well, you're in business. But if you have real issues, they're not the kind of thing those folks are going to tackle.

To be fair, this is a Windows (11) community - and only some of us happen to have some level of expertise with Linux distros - but there's no Linux section to ask/answer specific questions (while this topic sounds more like a Linux vs Windows debate). Not to mention - Linux per se.... is just the kernel - as in: there's dozens upon dozens of Linux distributions - each using a specific kernel (older for stability - newer for better support of modern/latest hardware) - and working in a specific way (different package manager, different desktop environment) - another way to put it: Each Linux distro has its own community. Kinda like... XPForums, VistaForums, SevenForums, EightForum, TenForum, ElevenForum... i say kinda - cause some solution can be valid in multiple version of Windows - tho, some questions can be inappropriate for the users of specific communities (like - asking Windows 11 questions in a Windows 7 forum). That's definitely the case with - asking Linux Ubutu questions in Arch Linux forum (the Linux community with the highest number of users - who struggle with poor anger management - many young users too).

Also, blaming the Linux Kernel for display scaling issues... makes no sense whatsoever (that's like buying a laptop with Radeon R3 Graphics - then complaining about AMD and saying ALL their cards are awful - cause you can't play any game with modern graphics). Since Display scaling is primarily dependent on the Desktop Environment (DE) and the display server (Xorg or Wayland), rather than directly on the Linux kernel. That being said - Desktop Environments like Cinnamon, XFCE, etc... are known to have some limitations with fractional scaling - since both rely heavily on Xorg (which is based on the X Window System - and was primarily intended as a network-protocol - the 80s version of a remote machine). Designed mainly with servers in mind - and outdated hardware (multi monitor support - was not a thing for most of its development - let alone 2K, 4K or 8K resolutions), accurate display scaling was far from being a priority:

- In the Xorg model, applications typically assume a fixed pixel density. They draw their content directly to pixels.
- When Xorg performs scaling, it often does so by rendering the entire desktop at a higher (or lower) resolution than the actual output resolution and then scaling down (or up) the resulting rasterized image to fit the physical display. This is essentially like taking a screenshot and resizing it.
-This "render high, then scale down" approach leads to blurriness, especially with fractional scaling (at 125%, 150%). Since the original content wasn't drawn at the precise scaled size, pixels get interpolated, resulting in a fuzzy appearance.

That being said, if one wants accurate scaling.... at higher resource usage, one should pick a Desktop Environment like Gnome or KDE Plasma + Wayland. Since Wayland was developed as an answer (the future) to Xorg's architectural limitations - with a focus on modern desktops:

- Per-Monitor Scaling: Wayland compositors can handle different scaling factors for different monitors naturally. Each monitor has its own coordinate space and scaling information.
- Client-Side Scaling: Wayland pushes the responsibility of scaling to the applications themselves. Applications receive information about the display's scale factor and are expected to render their content accordingly, resulting in sharp, pixel-perfect scaling.
- Fractional Scaling Done Right: Wayland enables true fractional scaling where the compositor can tell an application, for example, "render yourself at 1.5x," and the application renders its UI elements at that precise scale.
 
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The Admin just made a post about an Apple Program. Yes this is a Windows 11 forum but it is also a Technical forum. There are also music videos, YouTube videos as well. It seems to me that if one is not interested in Linux then just do not look at that thread. Simple enough.
 

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The Admin just made a post about an Apple Program. Yes this is a Windows 11 forum but it is also a Technical forum. There are also music videos, YouTube videos as well. It seems to me that if one is not interested in Linux then just do not look at that thread. Simple enough.
Yep, it is clearly labeled in the topic, I see no issues with talking about it. As you say, if you aren't interested, keep walking. :unsure:
 

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A previous poster stated this thread should be locked or even better deleted, I agree.

This thread stemmed from an inexperienced Linux user, having a problem with Linux.

It should have been posted on a Linux support forum.

As explained previously, Linux font scaling can be achieved in numerous ways, complaining about it in a Windows 11 forum, is not one of them.
I agree -- however loads here DO use Linux as a VM or even as a Host and run Windows VM's on it so it's not entirely not relevant on a Windows Forum ("double negative" for those classical Oxford English scholars !!) -- plus there are many Linux tools that can be used to fix Windows problems so I wouldn't get "Too Horse Blinkered" on this one -- at least this is in a Virtualisation section which seems OK to me.

I've also used Windows to solve a few Linux problems too -- such as hardware detection / identification etc for strange bits of hardware which needs specific Linux kernel modules to be loaded up at boot too so it works all ways round.

I've found plenty of BMW tools perfectly good for fixing Harley Bikes -- to use a different analogy !! and discussed on a Harley Bikers Forum.

Cheers
jimbo
 

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This is not the case with Linux. Installing it is fine on a smaller screen - but if you happen to have a 14" or larger screen, everything is so tiny it is literally unseeable (for anyone - even if you have good eyesight). It's ridiculous.

Not true, I run Solus OS on a 23" screen and the scaling is just fine, no different than Windows
If you have an ancient GPU then you may have scaling issues, but in general, I have never had any scaling issues with any Linux distro I have installed.
 

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It's not difficult for committed Windows users to ignore the alternatives but it is difficult not to discuss any family of Operating Systems that Microsoft/Windows actually supports the use of in a still growing variety of ways.

Personally, I am a user of Windows, macOS and also some Linux distributions. However, none of them provide me with a complete standalone solution which meets my personal preferences/needs and I consider that each option has both strengths and weaknesses. What turned me to macOS as a 'primary driver', some 14 years ago, was, in my personaal opinion, the ill thought out design and release of Windows 8, but I've always continued to use a Windows (and Linux) implementation alongside macOS, because there are some features and software applications which I regularly use that I believe are best implemented in an alternative platforms. The relatively recent growth in ARM64 take-up across all platforms also revives the need to revisit the available options, but I don't currently see myself being convinced to stick exclusively with just one single platform.
Hi there

@LeLibran

Not being nasty - but this is just a hopefully POLITE suggestion.

Just break up your post into blocks rather than having a whole long slew of continuous text even if your post makes 100% perfect sense. -- Much easier to read. Others also should do the same thing. It's usually pretty obvious where the breaks should occur -- all you need is simply to insert a blank line.

That said I do agree with the post !!!

Cheers
jimbo
 

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