Why make Windows 11 like Windows 10

KYHI · Aug 26, 2021

I still have not switched over to Windows 10 - Windows 8.1 is my daily driver...

Ptolomios · Sep 15, 2021

The-Hive said:
I just wondered why a lot of people get Windows 11 and then try to change things back to make it look like Windows 10?
If people don't like the new OS why not stick on Windows 10?
I am not saying what's right or wrong I am just curious

Not got a clue, I have been wondering about that for over 20 years with previous iterations of windows.

In the same way they like what they like and want it back.
others don't like change.
others don't see the point in change.
and so on.

I guess it depends on whether you think this is the best version of (insert windows feature here) or not. Start menu was a big talking point for windows 8, personally didn't care and still don't. I don't like the idea of static tiles or icons in general as to me they are a waste of pixels and screen space to do nothing with.

The thing for me is that I like change, whether it ends up being good or bad I don't decide on until I've spent some time trying it, then...well once I've made up my mind I'll look for a way to not use it ever again, or simply enjoy the change.

The-Hive · Sep 15, 2021

Ptolomios said:
Not got a clue, I have been wondering about that for over 20 years with previous iterations of windows.

In the same way they like what they like and want it back.
others don't like change.
others don't see the point in change.
and so on.

I guess it depends on whether you think this is the best version of (insert windows feature here) or not. Start menu was a big talking point for windows 8, personally didn't care and still don't. I don't like the idea of static tiles or icons in general as to me they are a waste of pixels and screen space to do nothing with.

The thing for me is that I like change, whether it ends up being good or bad I don't decide on until I've spent some time trying it, then...well once I've made up my mind I'll look for a way to not use it ever again, or simply enjoy the change.

I only change things if really needed and there is no alternative, I always give the new version a fair chance, it is amazing how quickly you adapt to the changes and in a lot of cases prefer them.

glasskuter · Sep 18, 2021

Usability...plain and simple. Being one who is in front of her PC 16 hours a day doing everything from remote assistance, research, making notes, writing books, tinkering, and a word game every now and again, I want my computer to work for the way I use it. For me, new is not always better just because MS thinks it is. I would probably still be on Windows 7 had it not been for the brilliant folks on these boards figuring out ways to give me solutions to make Windows work for me instead of against me.
Until recently, I had never owned a NEW computer in my life. My second system is a beefed up 7 year old i7 that won't upgrade. I bit the bullet and bought a new system for Windows 11. MS will stop support of Windows 10 in 2025, but they will probably support Windows 11 until 2031. I figure at my age this will be the last system I ever own so I want security updates as long as I can get them while at the same time having a system that works for the way I compute. I don't like cr@p slowing me down.

MrGandalf · Sep 18, 2021

Didn't realize it until a little while ago, you can move the taskbar icons to the left like windows 10. Kind of ironic the subject of this thread.

jvickers · Sep 19, 2021

jbcarreon123 said:
Things that I don't like:
1. The right click menu.
Why? Because I'm sick with making zillions of click to make an 7z.

Agreed. Getting to 7-Zip is a little annoying.

BunnyJ · Sep 19, 2021

jvickers said:
Agreed. Getting to 7-Zip is a little annoying.

I was just wondering if you could use the 'open with' option to get to it faster.

cytherian · Sep 19, 2021

cereberus said:
My issue with W11 is that many useful features are removed but nothing useful has been added.

So far, this is a retrograde development, with emphasis on how pretty it is rather than how useful it is.

So far, W11 is really poor.

When you get a moment, could you elaborate? Even if it's a link to a posting somewhere that already lists out the pros/cons of Win11 vs. Win10. I have to say, Win10 is a wonderful thing. I've been using Windows since 3.1.1. I did fuss about going from 8.1 to 10 at first, but frankly, I'm very happy with how Win10 evolved. ~~Why ruin a good thing~~? I think Microsoft is losing sight of the "optimized tool" premise. That being, you make a new tool, optimize it for many iterations, and then it becomes such a standard that there's really not much more you can improve other than "window dressings." Maybe more advanced voice response. Or some UI bells/whistles to target certain demographics, like youth and elderly. But frankly... I don't know what more they think they can do at this point that is mostly driven by revenue generation tactics.

EDIT: Sorry, revised my content as I don't think it's really appropriate. I've since educated myself and understand the TPM 2.0 security requirements and so a version 11 actually makes sense. I just wish they'd not remove existing Win10 features unless there's a real security issue with including them.

Edwin · Sep 19, 2021

BunnyJ said:
I was just wondering if you could use the 'open with' option to get to it faster.

In 7-Zip options, you can choose which attributes to show, in right click menu, cascading or not...

Quandary · Sep 19, 2021

cytherian said:
.... I have to say, Win10 is a wonderful thing. I've been using Windows since 3.1.1. I did fuss about going from 8.1 to 10 at first, but frankly, I'm very happy with how Win10 evolved. Why ruin a good thing? I think Microsoft is losing sight of the "optimized tool" premise. That being, you make a new tool, optimize it for many iterations, and then it becomes such a standard that there's really not much more you can improve other than "window dressings." Maybe more advanced voice response. Or some UI bells/whistles to target certain demographics, like youth and elderly. But frankly... I don't know what more they think they can do at this point that is mostly driven by revenue generation tactics.

Think big, think years, not just today or next year. If Windows does not continue to evolve and innovate it will die as a stale old OS. I would not be happy using Win 3.1.1 today with just security enhancements.
There are people/business still successfully using Win 7 (my dentist as an example), but with security risks and challenges, e.g., when that hardware fails. There is a cost to progress and maybe upgrading/replacing can be delayed to when it is absolutely necessary.

cytherian · Sep 19, 2021

Quandary said:
Think big, think years, not just today or next year. If Windows does not continue to evolve and innovate it will die as a stale old OS. I would not be happy using Win 3.1.1 today with just security enhancements.
There are people/business still successfully using Win 7 (my dentist as an example), but with security risks and challenges, e.g., when that hardware fails. There is a cost to progress and maybe upgrading/replacing can be delayed to when it is absolutely necessary.

I posted a bit out of ignorance. I should've waited a bit to become more informed, so my post is now revised. Thanks for chiming in, though. I agree, evolution is a good thing when it increases safety. TPM 2.0 is a good thing. I'm just a little worried about what features in Win10 may end up cut because Microsoft just doesn't want to support them. Unless there's a legitimate security concern, I'd hope that they would at least make them accessible for the advanced user.

BunnyJ · Sep 19, 2021

Edwin said:
In 7-Zip options, you can choose which attributes to show, in right click menu, cascading or not...

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I was able to sort it out.. thanks.

Ptolomios · Sep 21, 2021

cytherian said:
I posted a bit out of ignorance. I should've waited a bit to become more informed, so my post is now revised. Thanks for chiming in, though. I agree, evolution is a good thing when it increases safety. TPM 2.0 is a good thing. I'm just a little worried about what features in Win10 may end up cut because Microsoft just doesn't want to support them. Unless there's a legitimate security concern, I'd hope that they would at least make them accessible for the advanced user.

Windows 10 does use TPM, certainly on every laptop made since it came out. it's optional on Desktops though. I'm glad its just a bios switch for me, but I have my own concerns around TPM but I will use it.

There will sadly always be something that windows 10 won't support that windows 11 does, AUTO HDR being one I can think of, perhaps some features of DX12 ultimate maybe (not likely but I'm reaching here...) And it would appear Windows 11 doesn't want to support aging hardware which is fine in the long term view of the OS.

I believe there are legitimate security concerns, with the volume of exploits out there that seem to be able to poke holes in the hardware itself but also with all the potential future exploits to come that TPM should be required.

CountMike · Sep 21, 2021

It may have seemed that W11 was just a skinned over W10 but there's much more to it now in late developing stage. It's interesting but need to be on it for a longer while to get used to changes. That's why I moved Start to left side until I switch to W11 permanently. Muscle memory is difficult to change.

The-Hive · Sep 25, 2021

glasskuter said:
Usability...plain and simple. Being one who is in front of her PC 16 hours a day doing everything from remote assistance, research, making notes, writing books, tinkering, and a word game every now and again, I want my computer to work for the way I use it. For me, new is not always better just because MS thinks it is. I would probably still be on Windows 7 had it not been for the brilliant folks on these boards figuring out ways to give me solutions to make Windows work for me instead of against me.
Until recently, I had never owned a NEW computer in my life. My second system is a beefed up 7 year old i7 that won't upgrade. I bit the bullet and bought a new system for Windows 11. MS will stop support of Windows 10 in 2025, but they will probably support Windows 11 until 2031. I figure at my age this will be the last system I ever own so I want security updates as long as I can get them while at the same time having a system that works for the way I compute. I don't like cr@p slowing me down.

Thanks for reply, I think use 11, you soon get used to it, if not stay on the old OS :)

The-Hive · Sep 25, 2021

CountMike said:
It may have seemed that W11 was just a skinned over W10 but there's much more to it now in late developing stage. It's interesting but need to be on it for a longer while to get used to changes. That's why I moved Start to left side until I switch to W11 permanently. Muscle memory is difficult to change.

You soon get used to it, cosmetically, which I am on about 11 is poor compared to 10 as it takes away may of the features I use daily

The-Hive · Sep 25, 2021

MrGandalf said:
Didn't realize it until a little while ago, you can move the taskbar icons to the left like windows 10. Kind of ironic the subject of this thread.

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It's not just that, there are so many things that look different in 11 so get used to them, from a functionality point of view 10 is better for me, however I use both OS's

The-Hive · Sep 25, 2021

glasskuter said:
Usability...plain and simple. Being one who is in front of her PC 16 hours a day doing everything from remote assistance, research, making notes, writing books, tinkering, and a word game every now and again, I want my computer to work for the way I use it. For me, new is not always better just because MS thinks it is. I would probably still be on Windows 7 had it not been for the brilliant folks on these boards figuring out ways to give me solutions to make Windows work for me instead of against me.
Until recently, I had never owned a NEW computer in my life. My second system is a beefed up 7 year old i7 that won't upgrade. I bit the bullet and bought a new system for Windows 11. MS will stop support of Windows 10 in 2025, but they will probably support Windows 11 until 2031. I figure at my age this will be the last system I ever own so I want security updates as long as I can get them while at the same time having a system that works for the way I compute. I don't like cr@p slowing me down.

I am sure win 10 will be supported long after 2025, look at win 7 for example, supported for many years after its original end of life

wpcoe · Sep 25, 2021

In general I agree with rolling with the punches and going with the "new & improved." Change the alignment of the Task Bar icons from left- to center-justified? Sure, I'll adapt and use that.

That said, I sometimes scratch my head and wonder about some of these "improvements." e.g. On Win10 I can make two clicks to change the audio source: one click on the System Tray speaker icon and then the second click for the new audio source. With Win11, they've inserted another level – and one more click – to do the same thing. Why? So we can ooh and ahh about the new mobile-phone-like shortcut panel that pops up?

That whole System Tray thing is strange: They still show separate network, speaker & battery icons, but clicking on any one of the icons selects them as a group and shows the new shortcut panel. How is that an enhancement?

The OS should be about efficiency, not adding clicks to achieve a task.

badrobot · Sep 25, 2021

The-Hive said:
I just wondered why a lot of people get Windows 11 and then try to change things back to make it look like Windows 10?
If people don't like the new OS why not stick on Windows 10?
I am not saying what's right or wrong I am just curious

I guess it is not more of the "looks" but rather "where to look". Like start button placement, taskbar options, context menu options, etc. It just so happen that those apps that help do this have icon designs similar to 10 or older windows OS. Some people don't mind the changes under the hood. They just don't want their "flow" disrupted because of interface changes.