Win 11 req


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So, i got TPM 2.0 , got Secure Boot, got pretty much specs to be able to play 4k@60Hz smoothly (RTX 2080Ti) but i got "only" i7-6700 and cause of that i can`t upgrade without going around official specs...I got only one question: What engineer or dev got that stupid idea that we need intel 7gen or higher to install win11?
 
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    i7-6700
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    MSI Z-170A Tomahawk
    Memory
    16GB DDR4
    Graphics Card(s)
    MSI RTX 2080Ti
    Sound Card
    built-in
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    Samsung 32"
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    3840x2160
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    SSD NVMe M.2 500GB and 2TB HDD
I got only one question: What engineer or dev got that stupid idea that we need intel 7gen or higher to install win11?
It is not as superficially stupid as one might initially think. Instead it is to do with needing a new Driver Model to achieve better security and reliability of the Operating System. The new Driver Model only works on the newer CPUs.

Reliability. Devices upgraded to Windows 11 will be in a supported and reliable state. By choosing CPUs that have adopted the new Windows Driver model and are supported by our OEM and silicon partners who are achieving a 99.8% crash free experience.

Using the principles above, we are confident that devices running on Intel 8th generation processors and AMD Zen 2 as well as Qualcomm 7 and 8 Series will meet our principles around security and reliability and minimum system requirements for Windows 11.
Source: Update on Windows 11 minimum system requirements
 

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  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 5 5600
    Motherboard
    MSI B550-A Pro
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Sapphire Radeon RX 6500XT (8 GB version)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    BenQ Mobuiz EX2710Q QHD, Iiyama ProLite X23377HDS
    Hard Drives
    MSI Spatium M461 4TB
  • Operating System
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer A114
    CPU
    Intel Celeron N4020
It is not as superficially stupid as one might initially think. Instead it is to do with needing a new Driver Model to achieve better security and reliability of the Operating System. The new Driver Model only works on the newer CPUs.




Source: Update on Windows 11 minimum system requirements
Yet still my 3 year-old custom PC is crap from point of view of Microsoft...About security and crash-free experience you mentioned. Over the years i`ve learned that all these crashes and issues reported by people doesn`t seems to hit my PC at all. I got feeling that those issues only hit pre-built crap machines like Dell, HP and other crap. I`ve assmebled many machines for my clients and no one called me with any issues whatsoever. Security is also tricky, cause Microsoft think that if they force some security measures to PC`s by default they would save the world from any danger...well i`ve never heard bigger bullshit that this theory ...cause always at the end there will be human factor that might decide about putting your own PC at danger, and frankly i don`t wanna Microsoft to decide for me in that matter (well they still got very big experience with messing people OS`s by doing bad patches). So i doubt that they know what`s better for all of us ....
 

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    Win 10
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    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom
    CPU
    i7-6700
    Motherboard
    MSI Z-170A Tomahawk
    Memory
    16GB DDR4
    Graphics Card(s)
    MSI RTX 2080Ti
    Sound Card
    built-in
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung 32"
    Screen Resolution
    3840x2160
    Hard Drives
    SSD NVMe M.2 500GB and 2TB HDD
Hi,
Yeah trying to idiot proof an os against idiots getting hit by ransomware

If ms wants all this new security for ms account users, fine but local accounts pissoff.
 

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    Win-7-10-11Pro's
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    Acer 17" Nitro 7840sn/ 2x16gb 5600c40/ 4060/ stock 1tb-os/ 4tb sn850x
    CPU
    10900k & 9940x & 5930k
    Motherboard
    z490-Apex & x299-Apex & x99-Sabertooth
    Memory
    Trident-Z Royal 4000c16 2x16gb & Trident-Z 3600c16 4x8gb & 3200c14 4x8gb
    Graphics Card(s)
    Titan Xp & 1080ti FTW3 & evga 980ti gaming
    Sound Card
    Onboard Realtek x3
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    1-AOC G2460PG 24"G-Sync 144Hz/ 2nd 1-ASUS VG248QE 24"/ 3rd LG 43" series
    Screen Resolution
    1920-1080 not sure what the t.v is besides 43" class scales from 1920-1080 perfectly
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    2-WD-sn850x 4tb/ 970evo+500gb/ 980 pro 2tb.
    PSU
    1000p2 & 1200p2 & 850p2
    Case
    D450 x2 & 1 Test bench in cherry Entertainment center
    Cooling
    Custom water loops x3 with 2x mora 360mm rads only 980ti gaming air cooled
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    G710+x3
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    Redragon x3
    Internet Speed
    xfinity gigabyte
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    Firefox
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    mbam pro
You can still install Windows 11 though :) . There are work arounds. I have it running on an atom netbook with 2gb ram and a core i7 5th generation processor with tpm 1.2 only.
 

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  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Pavilion 14-ce3514sa
    CPU
    Core i5
    Memory
    16gb
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 970 evo plus 2TB
    Cooling
    Could be better
    Internet Speed
    200mbps Starlink
    Browser
    Firefox
    Other Info
    Originally installed with a 500gb H10 Optane ssd
Yet still my 3 year-old custom PC is crap from point of view of Microsoft...
Yep, same problem here with my three year old Ryzen build. W11 = doesn't qualify.
The cutoff point for the new requirements is steep, no doubt about that.
Stick with w10, or as @Hazel123 suggests, use a workaround to activate the machine to w11.
There are numerous pages on this Forum telling you how you may activate w11 on an unqualified machine.
 

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System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 5 5600
    Motherboard
    MSI B550-A Pro
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Sapphire Radeon RX 6500XT (8 GB version)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    BenQ Mobuiz EX2710Q QHD, Iiyama ProLite X23377HDS
    Hard Drives
    MSI Spatium M461 4TB
  • Operating System
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer A114
    CPU
    Intel Celeron N4020
It is not as superficially stupid as one might initially think. Instead it is to do with needing a new Driver Model to achieve better security and reliability of the Operating System. The new Driver Model only works on the newer CPUs.




Source: Update on Windows 11 minimum system requirements
The problem with that is, is it's not about security - but crashes... there has been no independent studies to determine the crash-free experience... it's all a marketing gimmick. Drivers are built by OEM's not MS.
 

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  • OS
    Windows
Haven't had any crashes on my unsupported netbook or 5 year old HP Spectre X360 :-)
 

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System One

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Pavilion 14-ce3514sa
    CPU
    Core i5
    Memory
    16gb
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 970 evo plus 2TB
    Cooling
    Could be better
    Internet Speed
    200mbps Starlink
    Browser
    Firefox
    Other Info
    Originally installed with a 500gb H10 Optane ssd
Well.. no one here has.
 

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  • OS
    Windows 11 Home(Beta) - 23H2 - 22635.3209
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    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Banana Junior 5600- G Series
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 5 5600G
    Motherboard
    Asus ROG Strix B550-F
    Memory
    G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 64GB 4x16
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    NVIDIA GeForce GTX TITAN X
    Sound Card
    ASUS XONAR SE
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    Viotek 32", 28" ASUS VP28U
    Screen Resolution
    1080p
    Hard Drives
    Primary SAMSUNG 970 EVO Plus
    PSU
    EVGA BQ 700w 80+ Bronze
    Case
    Zalman i3 NEO
    Cooling
    ARCTIC Freezer 7 X
    Keyboard
    Corsair
    Mouse
    Amazon Generic with Cord
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    Download: 295.11 mbps Upload: 65.35 mbps T-Mobile Internet
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    Firefox and Edge
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    MS - Defender
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    Speakers: Klipsch ProMedia 2.1
No-one in the known universe has...this is a Win 10 kernel .. seriously can't see how new drivers are going to break it!
Well.. I wouldn't make that claim since we haven't checked anyone but the group here.
But having said that it's hard to believe that an unsupported device will break or have issues using 11
 

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  • OS
    Windows 11 Home(Beta) - 23H2 - 22635.3209
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Banana Junior 5600- G Series
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 5 5600G
    Motherboard
    Asus ROG Strix B550-F
    Memory
    G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 64GB 4x16
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce GTX TITAN X
    Sound Card
    ASUS XONAR SE
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Viotek 32", 28" ASUS VP28U
    Screen Resolution
    1080p
    Hard Drives
    Primary SAMSUNG 970 EVO Plus
    PSU
    EVGA BQ 700w 80+ Bronze
    Case
    Zalman i3 NEO
    Cooling
    ARCTIC Freezer 7 X
    Keyboard
    Corsair
    Mouse
    Amazon Generic with Cord
    Internet Speed
    Download: 295.11 mbps Upload: 65.35 mbps T-Mobile Internet
    Browser
    Firefox and Edge
    Antivirus
    MS - Defender
    Other Info
    Speakers: Klipsch ProMedia 2.1
Hi,
Personally I believe crashing data is clouded because of intentional overclocking
Hell half the fun of max oc'ing is crashing otherwise it's just boring running a power saver plan lol :lmao:
 

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  • OS
    Win-7-10-11Pro's
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer 17" Nitro 7840sn/ 2x16gb 5600c40/ 4060/ stock 1tb-os/ 4tb sn850x
    CPU
    10900k & 9940x & 5930k
    Motherboard
    z490-Apex & x299-Apex & x99-Sabertooth
    Memory
    Trident-Z Royal 4000c16 2x16gb & Trident-Z 3600c16 4x8gb & 3200c14 4x8gb
    Graphics Card(s)
    Titan Xp & 1080ti FTW3 & evga 980ti gaming
    Sound Card
    Onboard Realtek x3
    Monitor(s) Displays
    1-AOC G2460PG 24"G-Sync 144Hz/ 2nd 1-ASUS VG248QE 24"/ 3rd LG 43" series
    Screen Resolution
    1920-1080 not sure what the t.v is besides 43" class scales from 1920-1080 perfectly
    Hard Drives
    2-WD-sn850x 4tb/ 970evo+500gb/ 980 pro 2tb.
    PSU
    1000p2 & 1200p2 & 850p2
    Case
    D450 x2 & 1 Test bench in cherry Entertainment center
    Cooling
    Custom water loops x3 with 2x mora 360mm rads only 980ti gaming air cooled
    Keyboard
    G710+x3
    Mouse
    Redragon x3
    Internet Speed
    xfinity gigabyte
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    mbam pro
Well.. I wouldn't make that claim since we haven't checked anyone but the group here.
But having said that it's hard to believe that an unsupported device will break or have issues using 11
Buddy.. (uhmmm .. Bunny in your case....LOL), I check many forums to get a holistic viewpoint about stuff... but yah, Drivers, AV's etc .. they are all kernel related.
 

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System One

  • OS
    Windows
Buddy.. (uhmmm .. Bunny in your case....LOL), I check many forums to get a holistic viewpoint about stuff... but yah, Drivers, AV's etc .. they are all kernel related.
I'll take your word for it then :thumbsup:
 

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System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Home(Beta) - 23H2 - 22635.3209
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Banana Junior 5600- G Series
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 5 5600G
    Motherboard
    Asus ROG Strix B550-F
    Memory
    G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 64GB 4x16
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce GTX TITAN X
    Sound Card
    ASUS XONAR SE
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    Viotek 32", 28" ASUS VP28U
    Screen Resolution
    1080p
    Hard Drives
    Primary SAMSUNG 970 EVO Plus
    PSU
    EVGA BQ 700w 80+ Bronze
    Case
    Zalman i3 NEO
    Cooling
    ARCTIC Freezer 7 X
    Keyboard
    Corsair
    Mouse
    Amazon Generic with Cord
    Internet Speed
    Download: 295.11 mbps Upload: 65.35 mbps T-Mobile Internet
    Browser
    Firefox and Edge
    Antivirus
    MS - Defender
    Other Info
    Speakers: Klipsch ProMedia 2.1
The problem with that is, is it's not about security - but crashes... there has been no independent studies to determine the crash-free experience... it's all a marketing gimmick. Drivers are built by OEM's not MS.
I checked the statement online. Microsoft were quoted as saying
Now with these new chips, and the driver model, we're now seeing a 99.8% crash free experience in the preview."
So the small print reads just the preview build, which was not in the original post I made.

Hi,
Personally I believe crashing data is clouded because of intentional overclocking
Hell half the fun of max oc'ing is crashing otherwise it's just boring running a power saver plan lol :lmao:
Ah well, the user is liable if they overclock the machine.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    AMD Ryzen 5 5600
    Motherboard
    MSI B550-A Pro
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Sapphire Radeon RX 6500XT (8 GB version)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    BenQ Mobuiz EX2710Q QHD, Iiyama ProLite X23377HDS
    Hard Drives
    MSI Spatium M461 4TB
  • Operating System
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer A114
    CPU
    Intel Celeron N4020
I've got a Windows Vista 64 bit old driver on my netbook and nothing has crashed :) All works great. I've even got colours sorted now (strange way of getting colours in the settings app by switching to custom, dark for apps then turning on task bar colour then changing the colour from dark to something else).
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Pavilion 14-ce3514sa
    CPU
    Core i5
    Memory
    16gb
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 970 evo plus 2TB
    Cooling
    Could be better
    Internet Speed
    200mbps Starlink
    Browser
    Firefox
    Other Info
    Originally installed with a 500gb H10 Optane ssd
I checked the statement online. Microsoft were quoted as saying

So the small print reads just the preview build, which was not in the original post I made.


Ah well, the user is liable if they overclock the machine.
... but what preview? if MS was open and honest we would all be more comfortable.. but they never are! so...
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows
I thought it was 8th gen and up ?
I have a TMP header on my Z170, but it has a 6700K too, so after I get the module I`ll give W11 a shot, but in no rush.
 

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System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Skylake Special X299
    CPU
    Intel Core i9 9900X
    Motherboard
    Asus ROG Strix X299-E Gaming II
    Memory
    GSkill Trident Z RGB 32GB 3600 16-16-16-36 (F4-3600C16Q-32GTZR)
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA RTX 3080 12GB FTW3 Ultra Gaming (12G-P5-4877-KL)
    Sound Card
    Supreme FX
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Asus PG279Q
    Screen Resolution
    2560 x 1440 165Hz
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 980 Pro 500GB x2, Seagate Barracuda 4TB x2, Western Digital Black 4TB x1
    PSU
    EVGA 1200 P2, EVGA Black Custom Braided Cables
    Case
    Thermaltake View 31 Tempered Glass Limited Edition
    Cooling
    Corsair H115i, Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut
    Keyboard
    Logitech G910 Orion Spark
    Mouse
    Logitech G700s, Asus ROG GX860 Buzzard
    Internet Speed
    Verizon Fios Quantum Gateway 75/75
    Browser
    Edge
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender, Malwarebytes 4.5.2
    Other Info
    Thermaltake Riing Duo 14 x3, Thermaltake Riing Plus 14 x2, Corsair HS70 Pro Wireless Headset
  • Operating System
    Windows 10 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Skylake Special Z170
    CPU
    Intel Core i7 6700K
    Motherboard
    Asus Sabertooth Z170 Mark 1
    Memory
    GSkill Trident Z RGB 16GB 3600 16-16-16-36 (F4-3600C16D-16GTZR)
    Graphics card(s)
    EVGA GTX 980 Ti SC x2, EVGA Pro SLI Bridge
    Sound Card
    Realtek High Definition
    Monitor(s) Displays
    AOC G2460PG
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080 144Hz
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 870 Evo 500GB, Seagate Barracuda 4TB x2
    PSU
    EVGA 1000 P2, EVGA White Custom Braided Cables
    Case
    Corsair Vengeance C70 Gunmetal Black
    Cooling
    Corsair H100i v2, Corsair ML120 x2, Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut
    Mouse
    Logitech G500s
    Keyboard
    Logitech G910 Orion Spectrum
    Internet Speed
    Verizon Fios Quantum Gateway 75/75
    Browser
    Edge
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender, Malwarebytes 4.5.2
    Other Info
    Corsair SP120 x4, LG Blu-ray Drive, Durabrand HT-395 100 Watt Dolby Digital Amp

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