Windows 11 Insider Preview Dev Build 22454 (RS_PRERELEASE) - Sept. 9

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UPDATE 9/15: Windows 11 Insider Preview Dev Build 22458 (RS_PRERELEASE) - Sept. 15

Hello Windows Insiders, today we are releasing Windows 11 Insider Preview Build 22454 to the Dev Channel.

REMINDER: Build numbers are higher in the Dev Channel than the Windows 11 preview builds in the Beta Channel because we’ve moved the Dev Channel back to receiving builds from our active development branch (RS_PRERELEASE). This means the builds released to the Dev Channel no longer match the Windows 11 experience that will be released to customers on October 5th. The desktop watermark you see at the lower right corner of your desktop is normal for these pre-release builds.

Changes and Improvements

  • Right-clicking on Recycle Bin on the desktop now uses the new modern context menu.
New modern context menu when you right-click on Recycle Bin on your desktop.
New modern context menu when you right-click on Recycle Bin on your desktop.
  • Added an option when right clicking a network share in File Explorer to pin it to Quick Access without having to click Show more options.
  • We have begun releasing an updated version of the Korean IME with adjustments made based on Windows Insider feedback. We believe this will provide a more reliable input experience for Korean on Windows 11. The updated version of the Korean IME follows the new visual design of Windows 11 with acrylic in the candidate window, a new selection visual, and dark mode support. It also improves improved performance and compatibility. The updated Korean IME is rolling out to a subset of Insiders in the Dev Channel first, to help us quickly identify issues that may impact performance and reliability. Over time, it will roll out to everyone in the Dev Channel. Please file feedback via Feedback Hub under Input and Language > Text Input.
The updated Korean IME candidate window in dark mode.
The updated Korean IME candidate window in dark mode.

Fixes

[General]
  • We fixed the issue that was causing PCs with Windows Defender Application Guard (WDAG) enabled to bugcheck continuously. PCs with WDAG enabled should now receive Build 22454.

[Start]
  • Windows Terminal is listed again when right-clicking on the Start button (WIN + X).
  • Narrator should announce the Start launch more reliably now.
[Taskbar]
  • The Desktops flyout should now dismiss properly for Narrator users when scanning with item navigation across the Task View button.
  • Fixed an issue where the preview thumbnails for Desktops were not rendering correctly for certain aspect ratios.
  • Fixed a rounding issue that was making the volume icon tooltip show the wrong number in some cases.
  • The input indicator, Quick Settings, and notification center icon tooltips will no longer display behind the flyouts when they’re open.
  • Addressed an underlying issue that was resulting in the volume icon in the Taskbar displaying sound was muted when that was not the case.
  • Fixed an issue that could cause the Taskbar to unexpectedly get stuck on top of full screen applications, such as PowerPoint presentations, after interacting with the Taskbar previews.
  • Taskbar icons should no longer flicker when you mouse over them while using a contrast theme.
  • Fixed an issue where app icons would occasionally unexpectedly animate onto the Taskbar from somewhere other than from below.
  • Shift + Click on an app icon in the Taskbar to launch a new instance of that app (for apps that support multiple instances) is now working again.
  • Did some work to address an issue where app icons could get stuck in an alert state in the Taskbar even if the app in question was closed.
[Input]
  • Fixed an issue that was causing the text candidates to not appear after the first time the handwriting panel was invoked.
  • Mitigated a stutter in the animation when tapping a text field to invoke the touch keyboard.
  • Fixed a bug that was causing clipboard history to not render for some people.
  • Displaying 3rd party IME icons in the input indicator should be more reliable now.
  • Addressed an explorer.exe crash that could happen when changing window focus while using the touch keyboard.
  • Fixed an issue for people who’d opted into the previous version of the Japanese IME that was causing certain games to crash.
  • Fixed an issue where the tip for voice typing when using the touch keyboard wouldn’t be connected to the microphone button.
  • Addressed an issue where the touch keyboard could get into a state where the key labels would be invisible due to the wrong background color being used.
  • Mitigated an issue that was leading to the touch keyboard settings flyout having white on white text sometimes.
  • Did some work to address an issue where interacting with the expressive input button in the touch keyboard could result in the candidate area having a broken layout.
[File Explorer]
  • Improved the reliability of context menu invocation.
  • Mitigated a couple of issues that were causing leaks when using File Explorer.
  • The context menu will now not immediately dismiss when the option to open things with a single-click is enabled in File Explorer.
  • If you press F11 to full screen File Explorer, then use WIN + Shift + Left/Right to change what screen the window is displaying on, pressing F11 again will no longer jump the window back to the original screen.
[Settings]
  • Mitigated an issue when typing with certain 3rd party IMEs into the search box in Settings that could result in the candidate window being rendered elsewhere on-screen (not attached to the search box) and/or characters inserted into the search box not displaying.
  • We did some work to help address an issue that was making the Windows Insider Program page in Settings appear blank sometimes.
  • The mouse pointers under Accessibility > Mouse pointer and touch are no longer invisible for Arabic and Hebrew display languages.
  • System > Storage > Show more categories > Other should no longer always say it’s managed by group policy even when it isn’t.
  • Added some links to “Find my device” in Settings to help you learn more about the privacy resources.
  • Start time and end time pickers under Focus Assist > During these times are now visible when focus is set while using a contrast theme.
  • Addressed a crash that could happen when using Sound Settings.
  • Fixed an issue with the volume slider in Quick Settings that was causing the volume to sometimes to save at a slightly different level than what was actually set.
[Logging in and Authentication]
  • Fixed a crash that could happen when the network icon updated states on the login screen.
[Windowing]
  • Made a change to address an issue where title bar options including close, minimize and maximize where not appearing as expected in certain apps when moving the mouse to top of the screen while the app was maximized.
[Other]
  • Improved icon rendering for certain apps in the Search hover flyout.
  • Addressed an issue that was causing overlapping text in the Share window for certain languages.
  • Made some performance improvements when switching to the Details tab of Task Manager.
  • If the Windows Security app is open when switching to dark mode, the UI elements should respond better now and not have unreadable text.
  • If there are a large number of exclusions listed under Virus and Threat Protection in the Windows Security app, it will now display a progress indicator when loading them.
  • Fixed some text clipping in the Windows Security app when using the option in Accessibility Settings to increase the text size.
  • Mitigated an issue that was causing the WM_CTLCOLORSTATIC message used in certain apps to be ignored, so the colors in some places wouldn’t appear correctly.
  • Fixed a leak when the desktop background was set to a slideshow, impacting performance over time until explorer.exe was restarted.
  • Mitigated an issue that was causing some PCs to bugcheck while in modern standby.
  • Fixed an issue that was causing slower Wi-Fi speeds after enabling Hyper-V and creating an External V-Switch.
  • When animations are disabled in the system, there should no longer be a fade animation in UWP apps like Settings or the Feedback Hub when transitioning from the splash screen to the app content.
NOTE: Some fixes noted here in Insider Preview builds from the active development branch may make their way into the servicing updates for the released version of Windows 11 after general availability on October 5th.

Known issues

[General]
  • We’re working on a fix for an issue that is causing some Surface Pro X’s to bugcheck with a WHEA_UNCORRECTABLE_ERROR.
[Start]
  • In some cases, you might be unable to enter text when using Search from Start or the Taskbar. If you experience the issue, press WIN + R on the keyboard to launch the Run dialog box, then close it.
  • System is missing when right-clicking on the Start button (WIN + X).
[Taskbar]
  • The Taskbar will sometimes flicker when switching input methods.
  • We’re investigating an issue in this build where app icons in the Taskbar are getting cut off by the “show hidden icons” button and aren’t centered when using multiple monitors.
[Search]
  • After clicking the Search icon on the Taskbar, the Search panel may not open. If this occurs, restart the “Windows Explorer” process, and open the search panel again.
  • Search panel might appear as black and not display any content below the search box.
[File Explorer]
  • If you right click files in OneDrive locations in File Explorer, the context menu will unexpectedly dismiss when you hover over entries that open sub-menus, such as “Open with.”
[Widgets]
  • The widgets board may appear empty. To work around the issue, you can sign out and then sign back in again.
  • Widgets may be displayed in the wrong size on external monitors. If you encounter this, you can launch the widgets via touch or WIN + W shortcut on your actual PC display first and then launch on your secondary monitors.
[Windows Sandbox]
  • We’re investigating an issue in which Windows Sandbox may not launch for some Insiders after upgrading to this build.
[Microsoft Store]
  • We continue to work to improve search relevance in the Store.

Important Insider Links

To learn how we made Windows 11, click here. You can check out our Windows Insider Program documentation here, including a list of all the new features and updates released in builds so far. Are you not seeing any of the features listed for this build? Check your Windows Insider Settings to make sure you’re in the Dev Channel. Submit feedback here to let us know if things weren’t working the way you expected.

If you want a complete look at what build is in which Insider channel, head over to Flight Hub. Please note, there will be a slight delay between when a build is flighted and when Flight Hub is updated.

Thanks,
Amanda & Brandon


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"Try again in several minutes, your up time is only 18 minutes, so it might actually be doing something in the background - like maybe downloading an update / scanning files, etc."

I've had the PC on for hours and it does the same thing. Did you check your PC to see if it's doing what it's supposed to regarding power efficiency?

EDIT> Besides, if you look at the CPU percentage it is zero.

Check to make sure that the Minimum Processor State id not set to 1000% in the power plan. Sometimes it gets to the 100% state - don't know why - maybe some app sets it.

Do you have Cool and Quiet enabled in the BIOS? I Don't have an AMD, but I think theat is equivalent to Intel EIST which you must have enabled for frequency and voltage to drop based on load. .
 

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Hi geneo. The bios is set up correctly. I put Windows 10 back on the PC and the CPU Ghz is lowered as designed. It drops from 3.8 Ghz to around 2. I will check out the power plan to make sure something hasn't changed it to 100%. I appreciate the suggestion.

EDIT> I checked the power plan and the minimum is set to 5%. and maximum is set to 100%. That's for the processor. I'll keep looking and possibly put Windows 11 on another PC to see what that does.
 
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If you also look at the activity you can clearly see it was in use not 15 seconds before you took the screen shot, with a spike to near 10% utilization.

Did you verify both drivers as well as power plan settings between the 2 OSs to eliminate any discrepancies between the two from either of those?
 

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Hi there
I'm not so sure that high CPU usage etc is always an indication of poor performance -- assuming the system is actually running something and not merely "idling".

Especially with mult-threaded apps and multi-core cpu's using the full power at times might be perfectly OK -- . Of course if high CPU / GPU use is due to excessive disk usage or other parts of the OS not working properly then that's another issue of course - but blind figures on CPU usage aren't necessarily useful in themselves. Poorly written applications can also be responsible but that's presumably why people should have standard test beds to compare like with like.

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Check with a 3'rd party tool if the CPU is always running at 3.8Ghz. I had task manager showing the wrong speeds, like my CPU was idling at 1Ghz but the task manager was always showing 3.6Ghz.
 

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Check with a 3'rd party tool if the CPU is always running at 3.8Ghz. I had task manager showing the wrong speeds, like my CPU was idling at 1Ghz but the task manager was always showing 3.6Ghz.
Just thought I'd chip in here to say that an AMD Athlon 64x2 is not remotely comparable to Ryzen in terms of power-plan clock modulation. Ryzens all clock the cores individually and automatically--the older Athlons are monolithic CPUs in which all core clocks are adjusted in tandem.
 

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Hi geneo. The bios is set up correctly. I put Windows 10 back on the PC and the CPU Ghz is lowered as designed. It drops from 3.8 Ghz to around 2. I will check out the power plan to make sure something hasn't changed it to 100%. I appreciate the suggestion.

EDIT> I checked the power plan and the minimum is set to 5%. and maximum is set to 100%. That's for the processor. I'll keep looking and possibly put Windows 11 on another PC to see what that does.
Well, Ryzen CPUs like your 3700X modulate their core clocks individually and automatically, no user intervention is required. If some software tells you that your CPU is running at 3.8GHz, first of all, 3.6GHz is the stock, base clock for the 3700X, and secondly, you are seeing the number for a single core out of the 8 cores/16 threads of your CPU--other cores will be running slower than 3.8GHz, and some will even be sleeping, as well. Various cores on your CPU will automatically clock themselves as high as 4.4GHz, conditions permitting (temps, etc.) That is as designed. It's all automatic and requires no user input. 2GHz is actually much slower than the CPU's base clock, the base clock being much lower than the maximum safe clock of the CPU--which will jump all the way to 4.4GHz if your application or game demands the performance.

Since you say your minimum PP is set to 5%, that leads me to believe that you very much need to update your AMD chipset drivers! Link:


With the new chipset drivers comes a new Power Plan--using Ryzen balanced PP is fine, just make sure you have installed the latest chipset drivers. A new, Win11-compatible set of AMD chipset drivers was released yesterday by AMD at the link above. The latest Ryzen balance PP sets the processor minimum for 99%--max to 100%.

BTW, Win11 runs fine here with the latest chipset drivers. You are not running a laptop, so you do not need to worry over battery life, so why you would want to run so much slower than your base clock speed of 3.6GHz is a puzzle...;)

Before I forget--you should be running Ryzen Master, without a doubt--it lets you peek at your CPU and is a standard AMD application AMD recommends for anyone running a Ryzen CPU.

 

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Agreed. I use the unlocked Ultimate performance plan, and turn off any power saving mechanisms for network and USB, and have everything maxed, with no sleep, no hibernation. I realize that that is me, and not everyone wants their machine going full throttle, but my utilization fluctuates between 4.05 GHz and 4.13 GHz, even down to 1% utilization.

Ryzen Master, CTR and the new drivers are a must for me. With my NZXT Kraken AIO CPU cooler, my CPU temps are very respectable even when dummy / simple OC enabled.

But, here is a perfect example of the discrepancy of the CPU Speed....

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So, is my speed 3497.98 MHz (actually lower than base clock in CoreTemp64)), 4.13 GHz (Windows), or 4254.36 MHz (CPU-Z - notice it says Core #0 specifically)?
 

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Just thought I'd chip in here to say that an AMD Athlon 64x2 is not remotely comparable to Ryzen in terms of power-plan clock modulation. Ryzens all clock the cores individually and automatically--the older Athlons are monolithic CPUs in which all core clocks are adjusted in tandem.
Yes, those Athlons are not real Ryzen but older APU (without graphic part), originally for FM2 socket but modified for AM4.
 

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If you also look at the activity you can clearly see it was in use not 15 seconds before you took the screen shot, with a spike to near 10% utilization.

Did you verify both drivers as well as power plan settings between the 2 OSs to eliminate any discrepancies between the two from either of those?
Thanks for the ideas. If you look at CPU performance you can watch it go up and down. I have watched it on and off for an hour and it never drops below 3.7 ghz. Are you seeing a significant drop in your CPU ghz when it's idling? In Windows 10 mine drops below 2 ghz, My Windows 11 installation is vanilla with the power efficiency set to best power efficiency. I have tested at the default which is labeled balanced. If yours works like it's supposed there must be something wrong here. If you have power set to best performance I doubt you'd ever see CPU power drop.
 

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Check with a 3'rd party tool if the CPU is always running at 3.8Ghz. I had task manager showing the wrong speeds, like my CPU was idling at 1Ghz but the task manager was always showing 3.6Ghz.
Thanks for the info. I checked with CPUZ and it shows the same speed as Windows shows.
 

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Thanks for the info. I checked with CPUZ and it shows the same speed as Windows shows.
Did you open up the Clocks in the About tab? My clocks vary between 1.2 and 3.8GHz at idle on My Ryzen 2700U Pro
 

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Well, Ryzen CPUs like your 3700X modulate their core clocks individually and automatically, no user intervention is required. If some software tells you that your CPU is running at 3.8GHz, first of all, 3.6GHz is the stock, base clock for the 3700X, and secondly, you are seeing the number for a single core out of the 8 cores/16 threads of your CPU--other cores will be running slower than 3.8GHz, and some will even be sleeping, as well. Various cores on your CPU will automatically clock themselves as high as 4.4GHz, conditions permitting (temps, etc.) That is as designed. It's all automatic and requires no user input. 2GHz is actually much slower than the CPU's base clock, the base clock being much lower than the maximum safe clock of the CPU--which will jump all the way to 4.4GHz if your application or game demands the performance.

Since you say your minimum PP is set to 5%, that leads me to believe that you very much need to update your AMD chipset drivers! Link:


With the new chipset drivers comes a new Power Plan--using Ryzen balanced PP is fine, just make sure you have installed the latest chipset drivers. A new, Win11-compatible set of AMD chipset drivers was released yesterday by AMD at the link above. The latest Ryzen balance PP sets the processor minimum for 99%--max to 100%.

BTW, Win11 runs fine here with the latest chipset drivers. You are not running a laptop, so you do not need to worry over battery life, so why you would want to run so much slower than your base clock speed of 3.6GHz is a puzzle...;)

Before I forget--you should be running Ryzen Master, without a doubt--it lets you peek at your CPU and is a standard AMD application AMD recommends for anyone running a Ryzen CPU.

I installed AMS's chipset drivers and I see no difference. This is a test computer and I see no need to run it at best performance when it is coasting most of the time, The CPU maxes out when needed anyway, Thanks for giving me some ideas. If you lower the power plan on your computer to balanced which is default do you see the CPU ghz dropping? I'm just trying to test Windows 11 and the power plan is one of my tests. If the problem is this hardware I'd like to know that.
 

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Did you open up the Clocks in the About tab? My clocks vary between 1.2 and 3.8GHz at idle on My Ryzen 2700U Pro
Yes and 8 cores are running 3542.82 ghz.
 

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Thanks for the ideas. If you look at CPU performance you can watch it go up and down. I have watched it on and off for an hour and it never drops below 3.7 ghz. Are you seeing a significant drop in your CPU ghz when it's idling? In Windows 10 mine drops below 2 ghz, My Windows 11 installation is vanilla with the power efficiency set to best power efficiency. I have tested at the default which is labeled balanced. If yours works like it's supposed there must be something wrong here. If you have power set to best performance I doubt you'd ever see CPU power drop.

Yah, Actually, I use the Ultimate Performance Power Plan, which negates that particular setting in Windows Setting, as you need to be on the Balanced Power Plan in order to make those adjustments.

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And yep, that is all I needed to do. Device Manager - IDE ATA/ATAPI Controller - Intel R 300 Series chipset - Update Driver - Browse my computer for drivers - Let me pick from a list - Standard SATA AHCI Controller -Next and reboot. All SATA drives now working. Never would have come up with this fix on my own- Thank you!

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Hi Johnlgalt,
How did you get that ultimate performance power option as a choice? Thanks.
 

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Thank you Johnlgalt.
 

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I find no noticeable benefit to running ultimate all of the time instead of balanced on modern Intel, if you have your power saving c-states (power savings modes) and speed-step or speed-shift set up properly. Transitions between P-state (processor frequency/voltage points) are really fast and when you need it ramp up the frequency with no noticeable lags. I run balanced, have c-states enabled down to C7, and speed-shift enabled in BIOS.

With speed-shift (aka autonomous mode) the processor decides on when to make p-state transitions based on the CPU's determination of load. With speed-step (aka EIST), the operating system makes the decisions and directs the processor based on the OS's understanding of load. Each has advantages/disadvantages.

Running high-performance or ultimate all of the time will result in your processor running at higher voltages and power than is necessary all of the time, just so you know. I just enable it as needed, for instance, for a benchmark.

Just my 2c.
 
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