Windows Stops Copying

cheaterslick said:

Or you can order it directly from the brand's website, which I have been known to do on occasion.

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That's what I just did for the HGST 2 TB 7K HDD that I received today. TMK, it's CMR. No bull.

Scannerman said:

NVMe running on USB strikes me as a bit of a waste but to each their own. I'm of the persuasion that NVMe was made to run on PCIe.

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Yeah, I agree. As far as NVMe's are concerned, I've always stuck to Samsung. And that 1TB 850 EVO mSATA SSD in the other thread I created was the oldest Samsung I owned, I guess for about 10-12 years now.

I also wasn't sure if SATA HDD enclosures would work on a SATA SSD but now I know. That's why I asked.

Scannerman said:

I still purchase silicon from WD occasionally. I refuse to buy any spinners from WD because their company treated me poorly and very unprofessionally.

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Everybody's mileage, varies. If you got screwed by them, I don't blame you. I've had good luck with them (WD) so far. In the last 15 years or so I've only had two fail. But then, I never use any RAID setup and use mostly USB powered externals for storage. I clone them so I'll have a set of two. I do use a couple of older MyBooks as well and they're cloned as well. I don't have a lot to store, anyway...

It's cold storage so they're not connected and running all the time, but every couple of months I fire them up to see how they're doing.

Scannerman said:

Better yet, don't buy mechanical drives from Western Digital. That's my advice. You can take it or leave it.

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On a speculating note, if you had to buy HDD spinners today, which ones would you buy? For both RAID setups and as standalone, self-powered USBs?

spapakons said:

This is for the Windows drive which makes the old computer a lot faster.

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It was a miracle when I did that. Everything went faster. Everything!

It was like buying a whole new computer without doing so.

And using the Samsung Migration Tool was so easy even my grandmother could do it.

Good times!

RJARRRPCGP said:

That's what I just did for the HGST 2 TB 7K HDD that I received today. TMK, it's CMR. No bull.

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They were always CMR and they will last a very long time. Of course, if they came from WD all bets are off. That department probably found a way to even make HGST drives die. I have no problem envisioning them pulling out the original controllers and replacing them with complete garbage.

I can't tell you how many PCs I've had to repair that had bad, bad Western Digital hard drives. When I would get a PC to repair that wouldn't boot I would play a game with my wife before I opened it up. I'd say, "What are the odds that there is a defective Western Digital hard drive in this PC?" I'd open it up and sure enough it would be another defective Western Digital Blue. Didn't even have to look. IF the hard drive craters odds are it's a Western Digital mechanical hard drive and the worst of all are the WD Blues, 1TB or less. SMR of course. Fortunately those days are fading fast. Silicon is where it's at now.

cheaterslick said:

Yeah, I agree. As far as NVMe's are concerned, I've always stuck to Samsung. And that 1TB 850 EVO mSATA SSD in the other thread I created was the oldest Samsung I owned, I guess for about 10-12 years now.

I also wasn't sure if SATA HDD enclosures would work on a SATA SSD but now I know. That's why I asked.

Everybody's mileage, varies. If you got screwed by them, I don't blame you. I've had good luck with them (WD) so far. In the last 15 years or so I've only had two fail. But then, I never use any RAID setup and use mostly USB powered externals for storage. I clone them so I'll have a set of two. I do use a couple of older MyBooks as well and they're cloned as well. I don't have a lot to store, anyway...

It's cold storage so they're not connected and running all the time, but every couple of months I fire them up to see how they're doing.

On a speculating note, if you had to buy HDD spinners today, which ones would you buy? For both RAID setups and as standalone, self-powered USBs?

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Cold storage is the best place for MyBooks. Fire them up only when you need them. I've owned two MyBooks and never again. They have weak USB bridges in them. The good news is that even if the bridge burns out you can crack open the casing and pull the drive, plug it into SATA directly and it will work again. Of course, it will likely be a budget WD GREEN drive (5400 RPM) slow as molasses, but it will likely give you a few more years of functionality. They're a bit tougher than the Blues IMO. You could still use them to archive data to be kept on cold storage until you're ready to pop them into a toaster. I have a couple of those sitting on a shelf myself. I've had much better results with Seagate BackupPlus external drives. In either case air gapping is the correct method when using these sorts of drives because they weren't made to be spinning constantly.

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Scannerman said:

It would not surprise me in the least if WD started giving the formerly HGST line of drives soldered controllers but I can't verify that. I simply refuse to buy them now because I know WD owns them now. So far, the Toshiba line of NAS drives seems to be working out okay for me but these are small drives, only 4TB in size. Howbeit they are CMR drives so they can handle a lot of reading and writing before they start to lose integrity. I have two N300's that have not given me any issue so far and one X300 that is more costly and reportedly even better quality. All these drives can be put in enclosures. They're not exactly cheap but they do the job. I expect that they will out last most silicon of the same capacity.

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Toshiba's N300's were especially designed for NAS but they still work well in RAID configurations. The X300's are a bit more expensive and I only have one. I'm experimenting with it to see which one will develop trouble first. These are all CMR drives and I highly recommend using CMR drives if you expect to be writing and re-writing a lot of data. If I had my way SMR would be illegal.

Just to be fair, I've heard many good reports about Iron Wolf. Some of my tech buddies who've been at it much longer than I have insist this is the best way to go for spinners in RAID. It may be too early in the game to tell but these drives have already won many awards for dependability and stability. Alas, they are considerably slower drives and I prefer drives that run @ 7200 to 10,000 RPM. But that's just me. Iron Wolf is CMR after all, and they come with an iron clad guarantee. Perhaps I'll get a few to put in my X299 build just for kicks. The price is right BUT the 7200 RPM models are a bit pricier.

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Scannerman said:

There are all sorts of enclosures for SSDs these days. You can use a SATA SSD in practically any standard SATE enclosure. You can also use converters for NVMe in a SATA enclosure although I dare say it will run slower. Then again, with USB you're limited to those slower speeds anyway. NVMe running on USB strikes me as a bit of a waste but to each their own. I'm of the persuasion that NVMe was made to run on PCIe.

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To each his own indeed. It can be a waste, it depends on your USB ports. If you have a 10Gbps USB port, it will give you around 850MBps transfers instead of around 450MBps to/from the USB drive. Since the NVMe drive and enclosure didn't cost any more than a SATA drive and enclosure, it made sense to me and I get double the transfer speeds and the external disks are much smaller physically to boot. If you're lucky enough to have an even newer and more expensive motherboard, you might have the 20Gbps USP port and really get some speed out of the USB NVMe drive/enclosure! The 10Gbps enclosures were pretty cheap when I bought, so I settled for twice the speed of a USB SATA SSD. I have a pair of 4TB NVMe drives in USB enclosures that I connect just for truly off-line backups every other week. They're velcroed to the top of my primary computer tower.

Scannerman said:

Just to be fair, I've heard many good reports about Iron Wolf. Some of my tech buddies who've been at it much longer than I have insist this is the best way to go for spinners in RAID. It may be too early in the game to tell but these drives have already won many awards for dependability and stability. Alas, they are considerably slower drives and I prefer drives that run @ 7200 to 10,000 RPM. But that's just me. Iron Wolf is CMR after all, and they come with an iron clad guarantee. Perhaps I'll get a few to put in my X299 build just for kicks. The price is right BUT the 7200 RPM models are a bit pricier.

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I just picked up a 4TB Iron Wolf 5400 RPM drive for a backup to the backups. Since my case has lots of room, I figured that a final line of defense might make sense on a different media. So now my automated backups go to SSD and on a different schedule they go to the 4TB Iron Wolf drive. I guess I read too much about SSD forgetting if it's not refreshed often enough.

gunrunnerjohn said:

I just picked up a 4TB Iron Wolf 5400 RPM drive for a backup to the backups. Since my case has lots of room, I figured that a final line of defense might make sense on a different media. So now my automated backups go to SSD and on a different schedule they go to the 4TB Iron Wolf drive. I guess I read too much about SSD forgetting if it's not refreshed often enough.

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I've also been informed that a slower write speed ensures a more accurate copy. How true this is I can't really say but it does make sense. I do know that for most NAS 5400 RPM works just fine. I'm probably being a pecksniferous brat about spinner speeds. The old Velociraptors have me spoiled methinks. I tried SAS but it's far too noisy for my liking. I got rid of that fast. My network attached storage consists of what I have in the X99.

I think it was you who asked me what I was doing with all those spinners. We are of the same persuasion when it comes to backing up your backups. I also like to have at least one clone of every OS on my main. But that's just me. I confess, I'm a geek.

There's still something to be said for spinners. Although they do need the occasional defrag they don't have any cells to burn out and completely brick on you. I've had two SSDs do this on me so far so yeah, options really are a thing. TRIM scares me. I'll spare you my reasons for now. I may not be a computer genius but I'm definitely not without experience. My buddy teases me for going with Toshiba drives. We are both waiting to see whose spinner will die first. Both are sets of 4TB capacity and of course both are CMR. He went with Iron Wolf. I went with the NS300's for NAS. Only time will tell. The joke will be on us if one of us croaks before our hard drives die.

Well, I can say that I dug out an ancient 120MB HDD that had to be around 20 years old since it was an IDE drive. I just checked and it was manufactured in 2004! I found my old IDE <-> SATA cable and connected it to my machine. The data was still 100% intact on the drive, that kinda' convinced me that a HDD really will last a very long time. I know what you read, but that's the oldest drive I've personally tested, and I was impressed that it checked perfectly and everything is still readable. Sure is slow though...

gunrunnerjohn said:

Well, I can say that I dug out an ancient 120MB HDD that had to be around 20 years old since it was an IDE drive. I just checked and it was manufactured in 2004! I found my old IDE <-> SATA cable and connected it to my machine. The data was still 100% intact on the drive, that kinda' convinced me that a HDD really will last a very long time. I know what you read, but that's the oldest drive I've personally tested, and I was impressed that it checked perfectly and everything is still readable. Sure is slow though...

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I still have a card that I can plug IDE drives into. I used to use it for making repairs on older PCs but nobody brings me PCs with IDE drives anymore. I've kind of retired from fixing people's computers now. I say "kind of" because stuff happens. My girls keep me busy. If they don't have an issue of their own I'll still get the occasional, "Dad, my friend has this problem with their computer..." I'm a bit of hit with their generation of gamer kids. I draw the line when they start bringing me cell phones and i-pads. Nope. I don't do that stuff.

I still have an IDE drive sitting up on a shelf taken from my old Sony VAIO desktop. 26 years old and yup. It still runs. It's a whole whopping 40 GB. Trust me, back in 1999 that was considered a huge hard drive. I use it like a book end for propping up all my drives in cold storage. I'm a senti-Mental kinda guy, I guess. My old WD Velociraptors are 14 years old. It's a shame WD doesn't make spinners like they used to. One would think that @ 10,000 RPM they would burn out fast but nope, they just keep on humming. I have two more in storage for in the event that one of them dies.

There are cars and then there are automobiles. They don't make automobiles anymore. They only make cars.

Scannerman said:

There are cars and then there are automobiles. They don't make automobiles anymore. They only make cars.

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Must be talking about Jaguar... Wait, they don't even make cars nowadays, just some ugly pastel thing that nobody can identify!

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Must be talking about Jaguar... Wait, they don't even make cars nowadays, just some ugly pastel thing that nobody can identify!

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omgg... that's a JAG??

What have they done?

Scannerman said:

omgg... that's a JAG??

What have they done?

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That's what the demented people at Jaguar are trying to make it. I predict that Jaguar will be no more, they lost their minds! Having owned a Jag, I was genuinely sorry to see the company go down in flames like that. They really lost their way.

Now this . . .



Is a Jaguar.

gunrunnerjohn said:

That's what the demented people at Jaguar are trying to make it. I predict that Jaguar will be no more, they lost their minds! Having owned a Jag, I was genuinely sorry to see the company go down in flames like that. They really lost their way.

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I can relate. I'm sorry I had to let go of my B&W 801's but life happened and I am a man who pays his debts in full.


I've not heard many speakers that sounded as good as these but now that I'm older my hearing isn't what it used to be so it's probably just as well.

Scannerman said:

Now this . . .

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Is a Jaguar.

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You bet your bippie!

gunrunnerjohn said:

You bet your bippie!

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To be more precise it's "You bet your sweet bippy". When Rowan and Martin's Laugh-in first aired I never missed an episode. I watched the complete series about 2 or 3 years ago and because of the jokes being so outdated they weren't as funny. Not that they weren't funny, it's that I didn't remember what they related too. It's still worth the time for us old timer fans to watch the complete series again though. In fact, now that it's on my mind, I'm going to be checking to see if it's still steaming online.

gunrunnerjohn said:

That's what the demented people at Jaguar are trying to make it. I predict that Jaguar will be no more, they lost their minds! Having owned a Jag, I was genuinely sorry to see the company go down in flames like that. They really lost their way.

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There was a time when the Jaguar was nothing more than an over priced Ford. Cars such as the Jaguars and BMW's for example are in the category of, only buy new if you can afford them. Why? The buyers may get a good deal when buying a used luxury car but that goes down hill when they have to take it to the shop for repairs.

Winuser said:

There was a time when the Jaguar was nothing more than an over priced Ford. Cars such as the Jaguars and BMW's for example are in the category of, only buy new if you can afford them. Why? The buyers may get a good deal when buying a used luxury car but that goes down hill when they have to take it to the shop for repairs.

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Nobody ever confused mine with a Ford. Bought it new in 1986 and owned it for 24 years.

gunrunnerjohn said:

Nobody ever confused mine with a Ford. Bought it new in 1986 and owned it for 24 years.

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I remember that model. Went into a dealership and had a gander at a few. They also came in Kingfisher blue. So discrete. Could pass you on the highway and you wouldn't even notice if you weren't paying attention. Nice, quiet ride.

gunrunnerjohn said:

Nobody ever confused mine with a Ford.

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Maybe because Ford didn't own Jaguar until 11/11/1989?