Solved Backup Software suggestions other than ACRONIS


You cannot assume choosing uncompressed will speed up backup.

Choosing a usb2 port rather than a usb3 port would have a massive speed impact (assuming a usb3 drive).

I switched it to my USB-C port. I have to reconfigure my setup. I usually put my work external SSD on the USB-C port. Not sure what logic I had in mind when I backed up my Windows drive. (I wasn't - that's the problem! :D)

I went ahead and chose uncompressed based on what @geneo posted on the compressed versus uncompressed speeds.
 

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I switched it to my USB-C port. I have to reconfigure my setup. I usually put my work external SSD on the USB-C port. Not sure what logic I had in mind when I backed up my Windows drive. (I wasn't - that's the problem! :D)

I went ahead and chose uncompressed based on what @geneo posted on the compressed versus uncompressed speeds.

I ran this test again, this time with a hard disk that is about 210 MB/S writes (a half full 6TB Seagate Ironwolf Pro). I also again used Macrium direct i/o to eliminate file-system buffering affects. I just ran compression against no compression

Code:
No compression:
   ~  210 MB/s
       4:37 backup time
       62.5 GB image size
Medium Compression:
    ~ 290 MB/s  (it is counting input MB/s, so is effectively faster)
        3:46 backup time
        39.9 GB image size

So compression here is a win-win.

I think the turning point is around 300 MB/s as I said a few posts back (YMMV some depending on your system)

If your output device is < 300 MB/s, compression wins in backup time and disk space used, the slower the drive, the more compression helps
If your output device is > 300 MB/s, no-compression wins on backup time, but looses on disk space used
The slower the read rate of the disk you are imaging, the less pronounced this will be, and will be eliminated if your input disk is slower than ouput disk
 
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I ran this test again, this time with a hard disk that is about 210 MB/S writes (a half full 6TB Seagate Ironwolf Pro). I also again used Macrium direct i/o to eliminate file-system buffering affects. I just ran compression against no compression

Code:
No compression:
   ~  210 MB/s
       4:37 backup time
       62.5 GB image size
Medium Compression:
    ~ 290 MB/s  (it is counting input MB/s, so is effectively faster)
        3:46 backup time
        39.9 GB image size

So compression here is a win-win.

I think the turning point is around 300 MB/s as I said a few posts back (YMMV some depending on your system)

If your output device is < 300 MB/s, compression wins in backup time and disk space used, the slower the drive, the more compression helps
If your output device is > 300 MB/s, no-compression wins on backup time, but looses on disk space used
The slower the read rate of the disk you are imaging, the less pronounced this will be, and will be eliminated if your input disk is slower than ouput disk
Thanks for the information, geneo!

I am using a SanDisk Extreme Pro USB-C 2TB external SSD. Size isn't an issue. I'm going to hook it up to my USB-C port so I have maximum speed. When I backed up my Samsung 1TB SSD that was hooked up to a USB 3.0 port. It took about 15 minutes to back up 300GB of data. It's when I hooked my SanDisk up to the 3.0 port that it took forever to back up my system.
 

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    SK hynix Gold P31 1TB PCIe NVMe Gen3 M.2 2280 Internal SSD
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Hi,

Having to backup 300Gb of data on a regular basis is not a good policy if that also includes the OS.
Using dedicated partitions for OS and data will reduce backup times no end.

Cheers, :wink:
 

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Hi,

Having to backup 300Gb of data on a regular basis is not a good policy if that also includes the OS.
Using dedicated partitions for OS and data will reduce backup times no end.

Cheers, :wink:

Thanks for the advice!
I have a separate drive for the OS, a drive for my work, and a drive for my media. I back up each drive separately. I'll set up a schedule so I can back up when I'm asleep.
 

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    Asus ROG Maximus Z90 Dark Hero
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    64GB (2x32) G.skill Trident Z5 RGB 6400 MHZ 32-39-39
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    Onboard Audio, Vanatoo Transparent One; Klipsch R-12SWi Sub; Creative Pebble Pro Minimilist
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    WDC SN850 1TB nvme, SK-Hynix 2 TB P41 nvme, Raid 0: 1TB 850 EVO + 1TB 860 EVO SSD. Sabrent USB-C DS-SC5B 5-bay docking station: 6TB WDC Black, 6TB Ironwolf Pro; 2x 2TB WDC Black
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