Solved Has OneDrive gone insane?!

Marie SWE · Jul 22, 2026

cheaterslick said:
If MS says it then it must be true!

Absolutely

they say they respect your privacy too.

TraderGary · Jul 22, 2026

cheaterslick said:
Even before 2023, if you used an MS account to sign in, then it was turned on by default.

Yes, technically that's true. but sync was not forced. Users still had to choose whether to sync folders.

Marie SWE · Jul 22, 2026

Things started to go wrong with Windows back in 2014.. it was then things changed at Microsoft.. I think it was that year Bill Gates step down.

There is nothing really wrong with Windows. Just look at Windows 2024 Enterprise LTSC and IoT LTSC.. it is stable windows versions that isn't over bloated.. no experimental updates that breaks the system etc..... why.. Its made for Businesses ONLY.. and they dont want to make Businesses upset with shoveling the same crap on them as they do on home/pro users.

As far i know.. Onedrive is an opt in on them.. so are bitlocker.. The telemetry is really restricted on them... the list is long.

So the problem isn't Windows, the problem is Microsoft

pseymour · Jul 22, 2026

Marie SWE said:
As far i know.. Onedrive is an opt in on them.. so are bitlocker..

Yes and yes.

Marie SWE said:
The telemetry is really restricted on them... the list is long.

Very configurable.

To me, the problems started when they had the server folks stop working on code for the client, totally separating the two Windows. The adults left the room.

idgat · Jul 22, 2026

Marie SWE said:
Just look at Windows 2024 Enterprise LTSC and IoT LTSC.

Marie SWE said:
As far i know.. Onedrive is an opt in on them.. so are bitlocker..

Because Micrososft know that those versions are more likely to be in the hands of the more technically savvy or tech professional, who will be aware of these pitfalls

That's why they leave it in/on the off-the-shelf versions to trap the unsuspecting

It's called marketing .. Look at our wonderful product, all you can ask for ... email (Outlook), security (Bitlocker) and storage (OneDrive)

All the stuff that forums like this thrive on :yawn:

Marie SWE · Jul 22, 2026

pseymour said:
Yes and yes.

Very configurable.

To me, the problems started when they had the server folks stop working on code for the client, totally separating the two Windows. The adults left the room.

yeah... it seems to be a bunch of idiots running the consumer side.

The telemetry is kind of scary.. i know some in here dont want to believe it.. but all telemetry they get is not anonymized.. they know exactly from what device it's coming from. They can see time and date on what website you have visit etc.etc..
I know someone will soon say i making it up... But just google on a hacker (Estonian/American citizen) that got caught just a few weeks ago. Microsoft traced him with the GDID (Global Device Identifier) and they could see what websites he had been on at specific date and time.

Now this was a criminal, so i am glad he got caught.. But Microsoft just revealed what data they collect.
But i have already said this in this forum and i made a long thread over at tenforums about how privacy invaded windows 10/11 home/pro is.
This is why i never-ever will touch win10/11 home/pro even with a ten foot pole.
So i use IoT and then i kill the rest of invading functions. that is the only way to use windows since win7/8.1 went EOL

Marie SWE · Jul 22, 2026

idgat said:
Because Micrososft know that those versions are more likely to be in the hands of the more technically savvy or tech professional, who will be aware of these pitfalls

That's why they leave it in/on the off-the-shelf versions to trap the unsuspecting

It's called marketing .. Look at our wonderful product, all you can ask for ... email (Outlook), security (Bitlocker) and storage (OneDrive). All the stuff that forums like this thrive on

the main issue is... you should not spend more time turning off stuff and uninstall stuff then you spend time installing what you really want.. home/pro is just overbloated unstable spyware. *LOL*

sorry i couldn't resist, i just hate win10/11 home/pro editions.

Edit, to be fare, i hate Ubuntu too for its snap hysteria and some... so go for Android and Apple to.. so as my signature says... I'm total neutral and impartial in my OS haterage.

*LOL*

So as my post higher up.. Its nothing wrong with Windows. The problem is Microsoft.. the nice to use LTSC editions shows just this

TraderGary · Jul 23, 2026

I asked Copilot to compare using Windows 11 Pro to using Windows LTSC:

Windows 11 Pro is better for most Windows users because it’s the full, modern version of Windows—designed for everyday computers, modern hardware, Microsoft 365, OneDrive, and the entire app ecosystem—while LTSC is a stripped‑down, frozen‑in‑time edition meant only for kiosks, medical devices, and machines that must never change. Pro gets regular improvements, full driver support, full cloud integration, and the Microsoft Store; LTSC removes many features, gets almost no updates, and often causes compatibility issues on normal PCs.

Marie SWE · Jul 23, 2026

TraderGary said:
I asked Copilot to compare using Windows 11 Pro to using Windows LTSC:

Windows 11 Pro is better for most Windows users because it’s the full, modern version of Windows—designed for everyday computers, modern hardware, Microsoft 365, OneDrive, and the entire app ecosystem—while LTSC is a stripped‑down, frozen‑in‑time edition meant only for kiosks, medical devices, and machines that must never change. Pro gets regular improvements, full driver support, full cloud integration, and the Microsoft Store; LTSC removes many features, gets almost no updates, and often causes compatibility issues on normal PCs.

What was the exact question you asked?
I'm curious to ask other AI models the same question.

Scannerman · Jul 23, 2026

TraderGary said:
Windows 11 Pro is better for most Windows users because it’s the full, modern version of Windows—designed for everyday computers...

Designed to render the majority of PCs using Windows obsolete at the time of release! :lmao:

Everyday obsoletion!

TraderGary · Jul 23, 2026

Scannerman said:
Designed to render the majority of PCs using Windows obsolete at the time of release! Everyday obsoletion!

Yes, I fully understand the basis of that very popular belief.

gunrunnerjohn · Jul 23, 2026

TraderGary said:
I asked Copilot to compare using Windows 11 Pro to using Windows LTSC:

Windows 11 Pro is better for most Windows users because it’s the full, modern version of Windows—designed for everyday computers, modern hardware, Microsoft 365, OneDrive, and the entire app ecosystem—while LTSC is a stripped‑down, frozen‑in‑time edition meant only for kiosks, medical devices, and machines that must never change. Pro gets regular improvements, full driver support, full cloud integration, and the Microsoft Store; LTSC removes many features, gets almost no updates, and often causes compatibility issues on normal PCs.

You asked CoPilot for an unbiased opinion about Windows? You're kidding, right?

TraderGary · Jul 23, 2026

Marie SWE said:
What was the exact question you asked?
I'm curious to ask other AI models the same question.

Hi Marie, the first question I asked Copilot gave me several pages. The exact question was:

Why would it be better for me to run Windows 11 Pro instead of Windows LTSC?

Copilot gave me a detailed multiple page answer complete with formatted chart comparisons. This was a lot more than I felt I should put on the forum. So then I then asked this exact question:

This question came on ElevenForum. Give me the reason, in a concise easy to understand paragraph why Windows 11 Pro is better than LTSC for Windows users.

Which gave me the concise answer I put on the forum.

TraderGary · Jul 23, 2026

gunrunnerjohn said:
You asked CoPilot for an unbiased opinion about Windows? You're kidding, right?

No, I'm not kidding. I've been following Marie's forum topic of modifying LTSC to fit her requirements. Quite honestly, up to this point I only knew LTSC existed, but knew little or nothing about it. About all I knew for sure was it was not commonly used among Windows users.

After using Copilot for the past several years and asking for clarification and help understanding literally thousands of technical questions, I can tell you that I don't believe Copilot is sentient in any way and holds biases.

Marie SWE · Jul 23, 2026

TraderGary said:
Hi Marie, the first question I asked Copilot gave me several pages. The exact question was:

Why would it be better for me to run Windows 11 Pro instead of Windows LTSC?

Copilot gave me a detailed multiple page answer complete with formatted chart comparisons. This was a lot more than I felt I should put on the forum. So then I then asked this exact question:

This question came on ElevenForum. Give me the reason, in a concise easy to understand paragraph why Windows 11 Pro is better than LTSC for Windows users.

Which gave me the concise answer I put on the forum.

Fun

I'm a bit busy at the moment, but i will test that later tonight when i can sit down at the computer more then one or two minutes

pseymour · Jul 23, 2026

If you ask an LLM why something is better, it's going to give you reasons why it's better, not a comparison.

Just for funsies, here's the question asked the other way, also in Copilot.

This question came on ElevenForum. Give me the reason, in a concise easy to understand paragraph why Windows 11 LTSC is better than Pro for Windows users.

Windows 11 LTSC (Long-Term Servicing Channel) can be a better choice than Windows 11 Pro for users who value stability, performance, and minimal distractions. LTSC receives security and reliability updates but avoids most of the frequent feature updates, preinstalled consumer apps, and changing user interface elements found in standard editions of Windows. This means fewer unexpected changes, less background activity, and a more consistent experience over many years. For people who use their PC primarily for work, productivity, specialized software, or simply prefer a leaner and more predictable version of Windows, LTSC can provide a cleaner and more reliable environment than Windows 11 Pro. However, it is not ideal for everyone, as some newer consumer features and Microsoft services may be missing.

Marie SWE · Jul 23, 2026

TraderGary said:
of modifying LTSC to fit her requirements.

Yeah.... My use-case of computers might fit 1% of the population.

*LOL*

so using me as an example would honestly be unfair to Windows.

TraderGary · Jul 23, 2026

pseymour said:
If you ask an LLM why something is better, it's going to give you reasons why it's better, not a comparison.

Just for funsies, here's the question asked the other way, also in Copilot.

Absolutely excellent insight, @pseymour! Thank you very much. I obviously need to be a lot more careful about asking Copilot subjective questions. Most of the time I'm asking purely technical objective questions.

TraderGary · Jul 23, 2026

Here's what I now get from Copilot!

This question came on ElevenForum. Give me the reason, in a concise easy to understand paragraph why Windows LTSC is better than Windows 11 Pro for Windows users.

Windows 11 LTSC can be better for some Windows users because it delivers a lean, ultra‑stable system that barely changes over time. It removes the Microsoft Store, consumer apps, and frequent feature updates, leaving only the core OS and security patches. That makes LTSC ideal for people who want a quiet, predictable Windows environment with fewer background processes, lower resource usage, and almost no surprises from updates. It’s essentially a “set it and forget it” version of Windows designed for maximum stability and minimal clutter.

TraderGary · Jul 23, 2026

I've learned so much in the years I've been on these forums. Today's lesson from @pseymour on LLM's was particularly valuable!

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