I Just Gave Up With Norton


I am with you in this, Comrade Antman. Just curious. Do you use the Kaspersky Total Care package or..
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Is that an add-on subscription? Not sure what it is. I use Kaspersky Premium because I got a bargain, 5 devices at $18.99, I bought ten years worth. It includes a password manager which I do not use.. and free full VPN which is awesome.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 Build: 22631.3593
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Sin-built
    CPU
    Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4770K CPU @ 3.50GHz (4th Gen?)
    Motherboard
    ASUS ROG Maximus VI Formula
    Memory
    32.0 GB of I forget and the box is in storage.
    Graphics Card(s)
    Gigabyte nVidia GeForce GTX 1660 Super OC 6GB
    Sound Card
    Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    4 x LG 23MP75 1 x 24" LG M38H 1 x 32" LF6300 TV Monitor 1 x Wacom Pro 22" Tablet
    Screen Resolution
    All over the place
    Hard Drives
    2 x WD something Something 8TB HDD's / 2 x WD something Something 4TB HDD's / 1 x EVO 1TB SSD / 2 x QVO 1TB SSD's / 1 x EVO 250 GB SSD / 2 x QVO 1TB (External Hub) / 1 x EVO 1TB (Portable Backup Case)
    PSU
    Silverstone 1500
    Case
    NZXT Phantom 820 Full-Tower Case
    Cooling
    Noctua NH-D15 Elite Class Dual Tower CPU Cooler / 6 x EziDIY 120mm / 2 x Corsair 140mm somethings / 1 x 140mm Thermaltake something / 2 x 200mm Corsair.
    Keyboard
    Corsair K95 / Logitech diNovo Edge Wireless
    Mouse
    Logitech G402 / G502 / Mx Masters / MX Air Cordless
    Internet Speed
    100/40Mbps
    Browser
    All sorts
    Antivirus
    Kaspersky Premium
    Other Info
    I’m on a horse.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro 22621.2215
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    LENOVO Yoga 7i EVO OLED 14" Touchscreen i5 12 Core 16GB/512GB
    CPU
    Intel Core 12th Gen i5-1240P Processor (1.7 - 4.4GHz)
    Memory
    16GB LPDDR5 RAM
    Graphics card(s)
    Graphics processor is an Intel Iris Xe
    Sound Card
    optimized with Dolby Atmos®
    Screen Resolution
    QHD 2880 x 1800 OLED
    Hard Drives
    M.2 512GB
    Other Info
    …still on a horse.
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Is that an add-on subscription? Not sure what it is. I use Kaspersky Premium because I got a bargain, 5 devices at $18.99, I bought ten years worth. It includes a password manager which I do not use.. and free full VPN which is awesome.
That sounds a good deal like the package I use: 5 devices, a VPN and PW manager (which I don't bother with either). I do like the "safe money" feature however, and a few of the other things. The VPN is pretty good too, I have to agree. Alas, if only I could get it for $18.99 now. I'd buy ten years worth just like you did. I've used a lot of different VS and Kaspersky continues to come to the forefront for me when compared to so many others. It's good to see that they're still maintaining their standard of excellence. The one drawback with Eugene's pride and joy is that it isn't really very user friendly. To find some of the features you need to go about 4 or 5 tiers down and navigation isn't exactly easy. I did mention this to Kaspersky but I don't know if they'll be changing it any time soon.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    WIN 11, WIN 10, WIN 8.1, WIN 7 U, WIN 7 PRO, WIN 7 HOME (32 Bit), LINUX MINT
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    DIY, ASUS, and DELL
    CPU
    Intel i7 6900K (octocore) / AMD 3800X (8 core)
    Motherboard
    ASUS X99E-WS USB 3.1
    Memory
    128 GB CORSAIR DOMINATOR PLATINUM (B DIE)
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA 1070
    Sound Card
    Crystal Sound (onboard)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    single Samsung 30" 4K and 8" aux monitor
    Screen Resolution
    4K and something equally attrocious
    Hard Drives
    A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, L, M, N, O, P, Q, R, S, T, U, V, W

    Ports X, Y, and Z are reserved for USB access and removable drives.

    Drive types consist of the following: Various mechanical hard drives bearing the brand names, Seagate, Toshiba, and Western Digital. Various NVMe drives bearing the brand names Kingston, Intel, Silicon Power, Crucial, Western Digital, and Team Group. Various SATA SSDs bearing various different brand names.

    RAID arrays included:

    LSI RAID 10 (WD Velociraptors) 1115.72 GB
    LSI RAID 10 (WD SSDS) 463.80 GB

    INTEL RAID 0 (KINGSTON HYPER X) System 447.14 GB
    INTEL RAID 1 TOSHIBA ENTERPRIZE class Data 2794.52 GB
    INTEL RAID 1 SEAGATE HYBRID 931.51 GB
    PSU
    SEVERAL. I prefer my Corsair Platinum HX1000i but I also like EVGA power supplies
    Case
    ThermalTake Level 10 GT (among others)
    Cooling
    Noctua is my favorite and I use it in my main. I also own various other coolers. Not a fan of liquid cooling.
    Keyboard
    all kinds.
    Mouse
    all kinds
    Internet Speed
    360 mbps - 1 gbps (depending)
    Browser
    FIREFOX
    Antivirus
    KASPERSKY (no apologies)
    Other Info
    I own too many laptops: A Dell touch screen with Windows 11 and 6 others (not counting the other four laptops I bought for this household.) Being a PC builder I own many desktop PCs as well. I am a father of five providing PCs, laptops, and tablets for all my family, most of which I have modified, rebuilt, or simply built from scratch. I do not own a cell phone, never have, never will.
As this is a “deliver by email” purchase, I can’t see why you couldn’t get it from Australia?
I simply boughh a bunch and they are lined up pre entered into Kaspersky and will activate as the previous expires. This is where I buy it.

 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 Build: 22631.3593
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Sin-built
    CPU
    Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4770K CPU @ 3.50GHz (4th Gen?)
    Motherboard
    ASUS ROG Maximus VI Formula
    Memory
    32.0 GB of I forget and the box is in storage.
    Graphics Card(s)
    Gigabyte nVidia GeForce GTX 1660 Super OC 6GB
    Sound Card
    Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    4 x LG 23MP75 1 x 24" LG M38H 1 x 32" LF6300 TV Monitor 1 x Wacom Pro 22" Tablet
    Screen Resolution
    All over the place
    Hard Drives
    2 x WD something Something 8TB HDD's / 2 x WD something Something 4TB HDD's / 1 x EVO 1TB SSD / 2 x QVO 1TB SSD's / 1 x EVO 250 GB SSD / 2 x QVO 1TB (External Hub) / 1 x EVO 1TB (Portable Backup Case)
    PSU
    Silverstone 1500
    Case
    NZXT Phantom 820 Full-Tower Case
    Cooling
    Noctua NH-D15 Elite Class Dual Tower CPU Cooler / 6 x EziDIY 120mm / 2 x Corsair 140mm somethings / 1 x 140mm Thermaltake something / 2 x 200mm Corsair.
    Keyboard
    Corsair K95 / Logitech diNovo Edge Wireless
    Mouse
    Logitech G402 / G502 / Mx Masters / MX Air Cordless
    Internet Speed
    100/40Mbps
    Browser
    All sorts
    Antivirus
    Kaspersky Premium
    Other Info
    I’m on a horse.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro 22621.2215
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    LENOVO Yoga 7i EVO OLED 14" Touchscreen i5 12 Core 16GB/512GB
    CPU
    Intel Core 12th Gen i5-1240P Processor (1.7 - 4.4GHz)
    Memory
    16GB LPDDR5 RAM
    Graphics card(s)
    Graphics processor is an Intel Iris Xe
    Sound Card
    optimized with Dolby Atmos®
    Screen Resolution
    QHD 2880 x 1800 OLED
    Hard Drives
    M.2 512GB
    Other Info
    …still on a horse.
Yeah, I'm in Canada and I've been purchasing directly from Kaspersky as I do have a subscription with them. They also have an excellent help desk where you can talk to a genuine, authentic organic member of the Homo sapiens on the phone. Their English is impeccable.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    WIN 11, WIN 10, WIN 8.1, WIN 7 U, WIN 7 PRO, WIN 7 HOME (32 Bit), LINUX MINT
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    DIY, ASUS, and DELL
    CPU
    Intel i7 6900K (octocore) / AMD 3800X (8 core)
    Motherboard
    ASUS X99E-WS USB 3.1
    Memory
    128 GB CORSAIR DOMINATOR PLATINUM (B DIE)
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA 1070
    Sound Card
    Crystal Sound (onboard)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    single Samsung 30" 4K and 8" aux monitor
    Screen Resolution
    4K and something equally attrocious
    Hard Drives
    A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, L, M, N, O, P, Q, R, S, T, U, V, W

    Ports X, Y, and Z are reserved for USB access and removable drives.

    Drive types consist of the following: Various mechanical hard drives bearing the brand names, Seagate, Toshiba, and Western Digital. Various NVMe drives bearing the brand names Kingston, Intel, Silicon Power, Crucial, Western Digital, and Team Group. Various SATA SSDs bearing various different brand names.

    RAID arrays included:

    LSI RAID 10 (WD Velociraptors) 1115.72 GB
    LSI RAID 10 (WD SSDS) 463.80 GB

    INTEL RAID 0 (KINGSTON HYPER X) System 447.14 GB
    INTEL RAID 1 TOSHIBA ENTERPRIZE class Data 2794.52 GB
    INTEL RAID 1 SEAGATE HYBRID 931.51 GB
    PSU
    SEVERAL. I prefer my Corsair Platinum HX1000i but I also like EVGA power supplies
    Case
    ThermalTake Level 10 GT (among others)
    Cooling
    Noctua is my favorite and I use it in my main. I also own various other coolers. Not a fan of liquid cooling.
    Keyboard
    all kinds.
    Mouse
    all kinds
    Internet Speed
    360 mbps - 1 gbps (depending)
    Browser
    FIREFOX
    Antivirus
    KASPERSKY (no apologies)
    Other Info
    I own too many laptops: A Dell touch screen with Windows 11 and 6 others (not counting the other four laptops I bought for this household.) Being a PC builder I own many desktop PCs as well. I am a father of five providing PCs, laptops, and tablets for all my family, most of which I have modified, rebuilt, or simply built from scratch. I do not own a cell phone, never have, never will.
Yeah, I'm in Canada and I've been purchasing directly from Kaspersky as I do have a subscription with them. They also have an excellent help desk where you can talk to a genuine, authentic organic member of the Homo sapiens on the phone. Their English is impeccable.
Yeah I get all that buying through that reseller. Just recently needed their support, very helpful, very polite
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 Build: 22631.3593
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Sin-built
    CPU
    Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4770K CPU @ 3.50GHz (4th Gen?)
    Motherboard
    ASUS ROG Maximus VI Formula
    Memory
    32.0 GB of I forget and the box is in storage.
    Graphics Card(s)
    Gigabyte nVidia GeForce GTX 1660 Super OC 6GB
    Sound Card
    Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    4 x LG 23MP75 1 x 24" LG M38H 1 x 32" LF6300 TV Monitor 1 x Wacom Pro 22" Tablet
    Screen Resolution
    All over the place
    Hard Drives
    2 x WD something Something 8TB HDD's / 2 x WD something Something 4TB HDD's / 1 x EVO 1TB SSD / 2 x QVO 1TB SSD's / 1 x EVO 250 GB SSD / 2 x QVO 1TB (External Hub) / 1 x EVO 1TB (Portable Backup Case)
    PSU
    Silverstone 1500
    Case
    NZXT Phantom 820 Full-Tower Case
    Cooling
    Noctua NH-D15 Elite Class Dual Tower CPU Cooler / 6 x EziDIY 120mm / 2 x Corsair 140mm somethings / 1 x 140mm Thermaltake something / 2 x 200mm Corsair.
    Keyboard
    Corsair K95 / Logitech diNovo Edge Wireless
    Mouse
    Logitech G402 / G502 / Mx Masters / MX Air Cordless
    Internet Speed
    100/40Mbps
    Browser
    All sorts
    Antivirus
    Kaspersky Premium
    Other Info
    I’m on a horse.
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro 22621.2215
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    LENOVO Yoga 7i EVO OLED 14" Touchscreen i5 12 Core 16GB/512GB
    CPU
    Intel Core 12th Gen i5-1240P Processor (1.7 - 4.4GHz)
    Memory
    16GB LPDDR5 RAM
    Graphics card(s)
    Graphics processor is an Intel Iris Xe
    Sound Card
    optimized with Dolby Atmos®
    Screen Resolution
    QHD 2880 x 1800 OLED
    Hard Drives
    M.2 512GB
    Other Info
    …still on a horse.
I was just over at Wilders Security Forums. Here are the latest AV-Comparatives rankings just out.

Real-World Protection Test July-October 2023

Note that Windows Defender did not receive any awards. I think that I will stick with my current security suite for maximum protection. 😉

Have a great day.

Regards,
Phil
Comparative results aren´t really of any proper use -- remember those are done usually several weeks before and in that time new threats or even new releases of Windows may come on stream which invalidates all those comparison tests.

Cheers
jimbo
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows XP,7,10,11 Linux Arch Linux
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    2 X Intel i7
@jimbo45

I respectfully disagree. Credible AV comparative testing is of value. It is the only metric we have to determine which products are consistently and objectively superior for AV protection.

Indeed, they are out-of-date when they are released. They are a snapshot in time of the performance of the tested AV apps. I am not aware of any way to measure that in real time.

Looking over years of credible AV comparative tests, one can ascertain which AV apps continually score the highest. The front-runners jockey with each other. More than a few times, Bitdefender has scored the highest, and more times, it has not. If, over time and a number of credible AV comparative tests, individual AV apps are consistently in the top five of the list, then you may deduce that those apps offer superior protection.

This is only my personal opinion. This is a touchy subject. There is no one consistently best AV product. We all have the right to choose how we protect our computers and data, and we all have our favourites. There is no single AV product that is best for everyone. That said, credible AV comparative tests are one factor that everyone can use when making their choice of AV product.

Have a great day.

Respectfully Submitted,
Phil
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro Version 23H2 (Build 22631.3737)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell XPS8930 SE
    CPU
    Intel i7-9700K 4700 MHz
    Motherboard
    Dell XPS 8930
    Memory
    32 GB (4 x 8GB SK Hynix DDR4 @1333 MHz) (2666 MHz)
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 (6 GB) GDDR6 300 MHz
    Sound Card
    None
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dell UltraSharp U2518D 25"
    Screen Resolution
    2560 x 1440
    Hard Drives
    NVMe Intel 1024 TB
    Seagate 2 TB, SATA-III
    PSU
    850 W Gold Standard
    Case
    Dell XPS 8930 Base (Special Edition)
    Cooling
    Air
    Keyboard
    Dell 0G4D2W
    Mouse
    Dell MOCZUL
    Internet Speed
    Download 553 Mbps, Upload 686 Mbps
    Browser
    Google Chrome
    Antivirus
    Kaspersky Premium, plus Malwarebytes Premium
    Other Info
    BIOS Version 1.1.31
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro Version 23H2 (Build 22631.3737)
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell XPS 15 7590
    CPU
    i7-9750H 4.5 GHz
    Motherboard
    Dell XPS 15 7590
    Memory
    16 GB (2 x 8GB @ 1333 MHz) DDR4-2666 MHz
    Graphics card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce 1650 4 GB GDDR5
    Sound Card
    None
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dell XPS 15 7590, 15.6" InfinityEdge Anti-Glare, Non-Touch
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    512 GB M.2 PCle NVMe SK Hynix
    PSU
    130W Power Adapter
    Case
    Dell XPS 15 7590
    Cooling
    Air
    Mouse
    Logitech M510
    Keyboard
    Laptop
    Internet Speed
    Download: 400 Mbps, Upload: 203 Mbps
    Browser
    Google Chrome
    Antivirus
    Kaspersky Premium, plus Malwarebytes Premium
    Other Info
    BIOS Version 1.27.0
I like Webroot, but the AV comparison sites do not know how to test it, since it does not use definition files as a traditional AV does. I have recently trialled Norton and Bitdefender but their scans were incredibly slow compared to Webroot's. They also used too much CPU time.
I think Webroot is not as good as it was. I'm hopeful that the change of ownership does not presage its demise in the long term.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    11 Pro 23H2 OS build 22631.3672
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Swift SF114-34
    CPU
    Pentium Silver N6000 1.10GHz
    Memory
    4GB
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    SSD
    Cooling
    fanless
    Internet Speed
    13Mbps
    Browser
    Brave, Edge or Firefox
    Antivirus
    Webroot Secure Anywhere
    Other Info
    System 3

    ASUS T100TA Transformer
    Processor Intel Atom Z3740 @ 1.33GHz
    Installed RAM 2.00 GB (1.89 GB usable)
    System type 32-bit operating system, x64-based processor

    Edition Windows 10 Home
    Version 22H2 build 19045.3570
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Pro 23H2 22631.2506
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Mini 210-1090NR PC (bought in late 2009!)
    CPU
    Atom N450 1.66GHz
    Memory
    2GB
attempted to open said folder and see how many it would stop lol (bad idea) So badly infected shop ended up having to replace all parts to get system stable again
Did you get BIOS-malware? Back in the legacy-BIOS days, it's usually just a thorough drive wipe and a complete reinstall of the OS required.

I'm actually more worried about UEFI-BIOS of today! It seems possibly more vulnerable to malware injection, especially if not updated since at least within the past two years.

Intel is particularly vulnerable for pre-Comet-Lake motherboards. (severe CSME exploit bug) (before 10th-gen)
(rated critical, for remote-code-execution!)

AMD is vulnerable with a lot of 400 series motherboards, it looks like. Same with 300 series.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro x64 23H2
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    Ryzen 9 5900X
    Motherboard
    ASRock B550 PG Velocita (UEFI-BIOS P3.40)
    Memory
    32 GB G.Skill F4-3200C16D-32GVR
    Graphics Card(s)
    Sapphire Nitro+ Radeon RX 6750 XT
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Alienware AW3423DWF OLED ultrawide
    Hard Drives
    Western Digital Black SN850 1 TB NVMe SSD
    PSU
    eVGA Supernova 750 G3
    Case
    Corsair 275R
    Internet Speed
    VTel FTTH 1 Gb down and 1 Gb up
  • Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    Ryzen 7 5800X3D
    Motherboard
    Asus ROG Strix B550-F Gaming (UEFI-BIOS version 3607)
    Memory
    32 GB (2x16 GB G.Skill TridentZ Neo)
    Graphics card(s)
    Sparkle Titan Arc A770 16 GB
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 970 Pro 512 GB NVMe SSD
    PSU
    eVGA Supernova 650 GQ
    Case
    Fractal Focus G
Hum, that makes me feel old since I was 42 in 1982. :cool: My first "computer" work was analog systems in flight simulators. Several of us Air Force guys took up electronics as a hobby and digital computers began to come along, so we learned what we could about them. Years passed, finishing college and head long into the digital world as an engineer -- then along came computer/phone hookup that quickly grew into PC circuitry for the birth of Internet. Wow, 300 baud stuff. :p Someone should have warned us. :oops:
And, I'm considered old by so many on the internet, LOL! I'm 43 in 2023.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro x64 23H2
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    Ryzen 9 5900X
    Motherboard
    ASRock B550 PG Velocita (UEFI-BIOS P3.40)
    Memory
    32 GB G.Skill F4-3200C16D-32GVR
    Graphics Card(s)
    Sapphire Nitro+ Radeon RX 6750 XT
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Alienware AW3423DWF OLED ultrawide
    Hard Drives
    Western Digital Black SN850 1 TB NVMe SSD
    PSU
    eVGA Supernova 750 G3
    Case
    Corsair 275R
    Internet Speed
    VTel FTTH 1 Gb down and 1 Gb up
  • Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    Ryzen 7 5800X3D
    Motherboard
    Asus ROG Strix B550-F Gaming (UEFI-BIOS version 3607)
    Memory
    32 GB (2x16 GB G.Skill TridentZ Neo)
    Graphics card(s)
    Sparkle Titan Arc A770 16 GB
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 970 Pro 512 GB NVMe SSD
    PSU
    eVGA Supernova 650 GQ
    Case
    Fractal Focus G
Did you get BIOS-malware? Back in the legacy-BIOS days, it's usually just a thorough drive wipe and a complete reinstall of the OS required.

I'm actually more worried about UEFI-BIOS of today! It seems possibly more vulnerable to malware injection, especially if not updated since at least within the past two years.

Intel is particularly vulnerable for pre-Comet-Lake motherboards. (severe CSME exploit bug) (before 10th-gen)
(rated critical, for remote-code-execution!)

AMD is vulnerable with a lot of 400 series motherboards, it looks like. Same with 300 series.
Yeah probably had a Bios Malware back then, Rootkits, god knows what else. Dummy Self believed the friend in the chat program at the time--gotta attempt to run them to see if Windows Live Onecare stops them, in hindsight i probably shouldn't applied to test that, as i am not a PC expert as i thought i was.

In the End went from AMD Athlon Xp 2500+ to AMD Sempron budget processor max speed was 1.6ghz at the time, Video card changed from Radeon some model, forgot what i had in XP 2500 build lol, to a Radeon 9800 Pro at the time, 4GB to 8GB of Ram, Seagate 320GB boot drive, and Maxtor 120GB slave back then lol

Probably should've stayed with Norton back then til MSE released or waited til Defender was good to use in the future
 
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My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11 Pro x64
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom
    CPU
    Intel I7 10700
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte B460M_DS3H Rev 1.0
    Memory
    32GB DDR4 2666mhz
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA Geforce 1660 Super
    Sound Card
    Onboard Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Asus VG245H
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    M.2 Samsung 970 Evo Plus 500GB Boot
    Samsung 860 Evo 1TB-Game SSD
    Western Digital Black 4TB Storage Drive

    External
    Western Digital Elements 500GB
    Western Digital My Passport 2TB
    Toshiba 2TB in External Enclosure
    Seagate 8TB in External Enclosure
    Western Digital My Book 8TB (Primary Backup drive)
    PSU
    EVGA G3 650 Watt
    Case
    Thermaltake V200 TG RGB
    Cooling
    Arctic Freezer 7X, 3 Front Intake Fans, 1 120 Exhaust in rear of case
    Keyboard
    Logitech G513
    Mouse
    Logitech G502 X
    Internet Speed
    Gigabit 1000Mb/20 Upload
    Browser
    MS Edge Chromium
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender, Malwarebytes Free
    Other Info
    UEFI, Secure Boot, TPM 2.0, Macrium 8 Home Edition
I'm still using it. They keep tinkering with it but it works. It's now called Norton 360 again (like it used to be about a decade ago). I don't autorenew and usually get it for £20 to £30 if shopping around. A license for 5 PC's. Don't have an issue with it. Does the job well, although I don't like the new interface (but you can easily switch to the classic interface). Be sure to turn off annoying pop ups about other products in setttings.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Pavilion 14-ce3514sa
    CPU
    Core i5
    Memory
    16gb
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 970 evo plus 2TB
    Cooling
    Could be better
    Internet Speed
    200mbps Starlink
    Browser
    Firefox
    Other Info
    Originally installed with a 500gb H10 Optane ssd
I'm still using it. They keep tinkering with it but it works. It's now called Norton 360 again (like it used to be about a decade ago). I don't autorenew and usually get it for £20 to £30 if shopping around. A license for 5 PC's. Don't have an issue with it. Does the job well, although I don't like the new interface (but you can easily switch to the classic interface). Be sure to turn off annoying pop ups about other products in setttings.
This is the one thing that annoys me about security apps to no end: When I pay for a product I want the performance I'm paying for. I don't want to pay to be advertised to. I fully concur with a company offering freeware (so-called) and using it as an ad platform but once I pay for that product all the adware should be gone. I shouldn't have to remove it either. Simply downloading the licensed version and installing it should be suffice. Why do they think this gives them the right to inundate me with adware?

What is wrong with these people?? Is it me or is there something fundamentally wrong with companies assuring me security and peace of mind, freedom from adware, etc. BOMBARDING me with their own adware once I have actually paid them to be free from this sort of thing?? I mean isn't it obvious? You know, I'm beginning to wonder if VS companies don't actually pay people to develop viruses to let loose. There's really not much difference when you compare these ethics or lack thereof. They'll offer an ad blocker to block out everyone else's adware but their own. They're just as bad as their competition and likely worse.

The one thing I certainly like about KASPERSKY is that they don't play those games with me. I'm not getting constant annoying popups telling me what else they have for sale. Isn't that what email is for? Isn't it enough that email can be saturated this way? But oh no, I have to have annoying pop ups trying to sell me the latest thing from the VERY PEOPLE I PAID to stop this sort of thing.

I have come to a conclusion: Pick your poison but don't criticize me for using Kaspersky. I am currently in the process of typing a form letter to send to any company I pay to keep me safe from adware and the like, NOTIFYING them that if they start sending me pop ups advertising their goodies after I pay for their product I'm cancelling my subscription. I'm done with these doggie biscuits.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    WIN 11, WIN 10, WIN 8.1, WIN 7 U, WIN 7 PRO, WIN 7 HOME (32 Bit), LINUX MINT
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    DIY, ASUS, and DELL
    CPU
    Intel i7 6900K (octocore) / AMD 3800X (8 core)
    Motherboard
    ASUS X99E-WS USB 3.1
    Memory
    128 GB CORSAIR DOMINATOR PLATINUM (B DIE)
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA 1070
    Sound Card
    Crystal Sound (onboard)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    single Samsung 30" 4K and 8" aux monitor
    Screen Resolution
    4K and something equally attrocious
    Hard Drives
    A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, L, M, N, O, P, Q, R, S, T, U, V, W

    Ports X, Y, and Z are reserved for USB access and removable drives.

    Drive types consist of the following: Various mechanical hard drives bearing the brand names, Seagate, Toshiba, and Western Digital. Various NVMe drives bearing the brand names Kingston, Intel, Silicon Power, Crucial, Western Digital, and Team Group. Various SATA SSDs bearing various different brand names.

    RAID arrays included:

    LSI RAID 10 (WD Velociraptors) 1115.72 GB
    LSI RAID 10 (WD SSDS) 463.80 GB

    INTEL RAID 0 (KINGSTON HYPER X) System 447.14 GB
    INTEL RAID 1 TOSHIBA ENTERPRIZE class Data 2794.52 GB
    INTEL RAID 1 SEAGATE HYBRID 931.51 GB
    PSU
    SEVERAL. I prefer my Corsair Platinum HX1000i but I also like EVGA power supplies
    Case
    ThermalTake Level 10 GT (among others)
    Cooling
    Noctua is my favorite and I use it in my main. I also own various other coolers. Not a fan of liquid cooling.
    Keyboard
    all kinds.
    Mouse
    all kinds
    Internet Speed
    360 mbps - 1 gbps (depending)
    Browser
    FIREFOX
    Antivirus
    KASPERSKY (no apologies)
    Other Info
    I own too many laptops: A Dell touch screen with Windows 11 and 6 others (not counting the other four laptops I bought for this household.) Being a PC builder I own many desktop PCs as well. I am a father of five providing PCs, laptops, and tablets for all my family, most of which I have modified, rebuilt, or simply built from scratch. I do not own a cell phone, never have, never will.
What is wrong with these people??
Nothing wrong with them @Scannerman , it's the world we live in. MONEY runs them all and that's the crock of it.
I LOVE reading your rants. God, it makes my day every time I read one of yours. You've made your views known over
lots of posts and I just like to read them.

As for your choice of anything, IF it's your choice then, why bother with others views on that matter. IF, OTOH , it's a
question well, you'll have to contend that , no one has the same and who knows, maybe a good suggestion will come
of a honest discussion. I learn something new every rant so, keep them coming.

I am currently in the process of typing a form letter to send to any company I pay to keep me safe

Pls, make that letter public here so we can all make our views known to those grinches. Maybe if enough end up sending them
ultimatums , it could have a significant effect on the way they conduct their business.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    windows 11 22631.3447
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    MSI Raider GE76
    CPU
    Core i9 12th gen 12900HK 2.9 MHz
    Motherboard
    MSI
    Memory
    32 Gigs DDR5-4800
    Graphics Card(s)
    nVidia RTX 3070 Ti / 8 Gigs DDR6
    Sound Card
    DYNAUDIO - Klipsch 2.1 THX - Sound Effects by Nahimic 3
    Monitor(s) Displays
    17.3" 1920 x 1080 360 Hz 3 ms, IPS / Connected to MSI 32 inch curved @ 165 Hz
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080 / Both
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 990 Pro 2TB (OS) - Solidigm P41 2TB (Storage)
    PSU
    280 watts
    Case
    MSI GE series
    Cooling
    internal
    Keyboard
    Steelseries
    Mouse
    G903 Lightspeed
    Internet Speed
    1000 Mbps
    Browser
    Firefox / Opera GX- Do not like Edge
    Antivirus
    Malwarebytes'
    Other Info
    just ask.
  • Operating System
    Windows 10 22H2
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    MSI GT73 7RE VR Titan
    CPU
    Intel Core i7 7820HK 2.9 Ghz
    Motherboard
    MSI
    Memory
    16 Gigs DDR4 2400 Mhz
    Graphics card(s)
    nVidia 1070 8GB RAM
    Sound Card
    DYNAUDIO / Nahimic 2
    Monitor(s) Displays
    IPS / 120HZ
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080P
    Hard Drives
    Samsung NVME EVO 970 1TB / Samsung SSD (SATA) 1TB
    PSU
    240 watts
    Case
    MSI
    Cooling
    Internal
    Mouse
    Logitech G903 Lightspeed
    Keyboard
    Steelseries
    Internet Speed
    1 Gb/s
    Browser
    Firefox / Vivaldi
    Antivirus
    MalwareBytes'
    Other Info
    none.
@Scannerman - love reading your rants as well. A lot has more to do with how things are just like you can pay for pay tv, you still get advertisements and then when you buy consumer products whether it's clothing or even the computer, didn't you just pay to provide free advertising for the brand in question with their logos on the product.
 
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My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows XP/7/8/8.1/10/11, Linux, Android, FreeBSD Unix
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell XPS 15 9570
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ i7-8750H 8th Gen Processor 2.2Ghz up to 4.1Ghz
    Motherboard
    Dell XPS 15 9570
    Memory
    32GB using 2x16GB modules
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel UHD 630 & NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti with 4GB DDR5
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC3266-CG
    Monitor(s) Displays
    15.6" 4K Touch UltraHD 3840x2160 made by Sharp
    Screen Resolution
    3840x2160
    Hard Drives
    Toshiba KXG60ZNV1T02 NVMe 1024GB/1TB SSD
    PSU
    Dell XPS 15 9570
    Case
    Dell XPS 15 9570
    Cooling
    Stock
    Keyboard
    Stock
    Mouse
    SwitftPoint ProPoint
    Internet Speed
    Comcast/XFinity 1.44Gbps/42.5Mbps
    Browser
    Microsoft EDGE (Chromium based) & Google Chrome
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender that came with Windows
@Scannerman - love reading your rants as well. A lot has more to do with how things are just like you can pay for pay tv, yo still get advertisements and then when you buy consumer products whether it's clothing or even the computer, didn't you just pay to provide free advertising for the brand in question with their logos on the product.
Thanks. I'll get right on that. lol Actually, I've already sent such a missive to IOBIT and IOLO but it wouldn't hurt to make that form letter. Meh, it's Friday night. I'm going to kick back and take it easy, enjoy time spent with the family. I will write it at some point though and I will post it here, if this thread survives. Thanks again for your encouraging words.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    WIN 11, WIN 10, WIN 8.1, WIN 7 U, WIN 7 PRO, WIN 7 HOME (32 Bit), LINUX MINT
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    DIY, ASUS, and DELL
    CPU
    Intel i7 6900K (octocore) / AMD 3800X (8 core)
    Motherboard
    ASUS X99E-WS USB 3.1
    Memory
    128 GB CORSAIR DOMINATOR PLATINUM (B DIE)
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA 1070
    Sound Card
    Crystal Sound (onboard)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    single Samsung 30" 4K and 8" aux monitor
    Screen Resolution
    4K and something equally attrocious
    Hard Drives
    A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, L, M, N, O, P, Q, R, S, T, U, V, W

    Ports X, Y, and Z are reserved for USB access and removable drives.

    Drive types consist of the following: Various mechanical hard drives bearing the brand names, Seagate, Toshiba, and Western Digital. Various NVMe drives bearing the brand names Kingston, Intel, Silicon Power, Crucial, Western Digital, and Team Group. Various SATA SSDs bearing various different brand names.

    RAID arrays included:

    LSI RAID 10 (WD Velociraptors) 1115.72 GB
    LSI RAID 10 (WD SSDS) 463.80 GB

    INTEL RAID 0 (KINGSTON HYPER X) System 447.14 GB
    INTEL RAID 1 TOSHIBA ENTERPRIZE class Data 2794.52 GB
    INTEL RAID 1 SEAGATE HYBRID 931.51 GB
    PSU
    SEVERAL. I prefer my Corsair Platinum HX1000i but I also like EVGA power supplies
    Case
    ThermalTake Level 10 GT (among others)
    Cooling
    Noctua is my favorite and I use it in my main. I also own various other coolers. Not a fan of liquid cooling.
    Keyboard
    all kinds.
    Mouse
    all kinds
    Internet Speed
    360 mbps - 1 gbps (depending)
    Browser
    FIREFOX
    Antivirus
    KASPERSKY (no apologies)
    Other Info
    I own too many laptops: A Dell touch screen with Windows 11 and 6 others (not counting the other four laptops I bought for this household.) Being a PC builder I own many desktop PCs as well. I am a father of five providing PCs, laptops, and tablets for all my family, most of which I have modified, rebuilt, or simply built from scratch. I do not own a cell phone, never have, never will.
@Scannerman - love reading your rants as well. A lot has more to do with how things are just like you can pay for pay tv, yo still get advertisements and then when you buy consumer products whether it's clothing or even the computer, didn't you just pay to provide free advertising for the brand in question with their logos on the product.
Thanks again. It is gratifying to know that I can provide some level of entertainment that others find pleasing. Back in the day, okay... Back in the early 70's cable vision came to the capital of Alberta, Canada. Admittedly, I was just a teen in those days but I remember this much: I remember sponsorship and so-called "free" TV. The words, "This program was brought to you by..." are permanently etched into my organic memory. If you wanted to get away from commercials you got cable vision. Originally cable TV was commercial free.

Once the status quo all got with cable they up and did it to us again. Suddenly cable wasn't only rife with ads, but these increased in number and in frequency. By the time I turned 30 my television (which still worked) was promptly removed and deposited in the garbage dumpster by yours truly. I have never looked back since.

Having one's logo on a product is one thing. Being inundated with ads is quite another. It disgusts me to see the internet treated like television was (and likely still is) but I realize advertisers need to make a living too. Surely there is a place for decency and ethics in this wonderful web world that we share. I'm not opposed to any company advertising its product but I don't think that pulling out all the stops and zero regulation is the answer either. Adware is reaching epidemic proportions and that I should have to pay just to keep my internet relatively sane and usable when I'm already paying for an ISP is preposterous enough. So if and when I pay extra for these features from these products that assure my privacy and a user friendly experience the last thing I want to see is an advertisement from the very same outfit that claims to provide it. No, this is demeaning. In fact, it is down right insolent. Brother, that stuff is too hot to be called rain.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    WIN 11, WIN 10, WIN 8.1, WIN 7 U, WIN 7 PRO, WIN 7 HOME (32 Bit), LINUX MINT
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    DIY, ASUS, and DELL
    CPU
    Intel i7 6900K (octocore) / AMD 3800X (8 core)
    Motherboard
    ASUS X99E-WS USB 3.1
    Memory
    128 GB CORSAIR DOMINATOR PLATINUM (B DIE)
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA 1070
    Sound Card
    Crystal Sound (onboard)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    single Samsung 30" 4K and 8" aux monitor
    Screen Resolution
    4K and something equally attrocious
    Hard Drives
    A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, L, M, N, O, P, Q, R, S, T, U, V, W

    Ports X, Y, and Z are reserved for USB access and removable drives.

    Drive types consist of the following: Various mechanical hard drives bearing the brand names, Seagate, Toshiba, and Western Digital. Various NVMe drives bearing the brand names Kingston, Intel, Silicon Power, Crucial, Western Digital, and Team Group. Various SATA SSDs bearing various different brand names.

    RAID arrays included:

    LSI RAID 10 (WD Velociraptors) 1115.72 GB
    LSI RAID 10 (WD SSDS) 463.80 GB

    INTEL RAID 0 (KINGSTON HYPER X) System 447.14 GB
    INTEL RAID 1 TOSHIBA ENTERPRIZE class Data 2794.52 GB
    INTEL RAID 1 SEAGATE HYBRID 931.51 GB
    PSU
    SEVERAL. I prefer my Corsair Platinum HX1000i but I also like EVGA power supplies
    Case
    ThermalTake Level 10 GT (among others)
    Cooling
    Noctua is my favorite and I use it in my main. I also own various other coolers. Not a fan of liquid cooling.
    Keyboard
    all kinds.
    Mouse
    all kinds
    Internet Speed
    360 mbps - 1 gbps (depending)
    Browser
    FIREFOX
    Antivirus
    KASPERSKY (no apologies)
    Other Info
    I own too many laptops: A Dell touch screen with Windows 11 and 6 others (not counting the other four laptops I bought for this household.) Being a PC builder I own many desktop PCs as well. I am a father of five providing PCs, laptops, and tablets for all my family, most of which I have modified, rebuilt, or simply built from scratch. I do not own a cell phone, never have, never will.
JayzTwoCents says Norton is top of his list of programs not to install in your PC

 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • OS
    Windows 11 23H2 (OS Build 22631.3593)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Gigabyte Z270X Gaming 7
    CPU
    i7-7700k OC'd 4800 Mhz
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte Z270X Gaming 7
    Memory
    16GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2060 Super OC GV-N206SWF2OC-8GD
    Sound Card
    Steel Series Arctis 1 Gaming Head phones
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Asus ROG PG279Q Asus VE278 & Phillips 272V8
    Screen Resolution
    2560 X1440 27 Inch 165HZ Asus
    PSU
    Corsair RM750i (CP-9020082-AU) 750Watt 80Plus Gold Full Modular ATX Power Supply Unit
    Case
    Corsair CC750D (CC-9011078) Obsidian 750D Airflow Edition Black Full Tower ATX Case
    Cooling
    Corsair H100i V2 (CW-9060025-WW) Universal Hydro High Performance Liquid CPU Cooler
    Antivirus
    Kaspersky Internet Security 21.3.10.391 [j]
  • Operating System
    Windows 11 23H2 22631.2715
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Dell XPS EVO 13.3" RNX9305C01AUSB
    CPU
    Intel i5-1135G7
    Motherboard
    Dell
    Memory
    8 GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel Iris Xe Graphics
    Monitor(s) Displays
    LED
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    256GB SSD
    Other Info
    https://www.thegoodguys.com.au/dell-xps-evo-133-inches-win-11-laptop-rnx9305c01ausb
JayzTwoCents says Norton is top of his list of programs not to install in your PC

Norton has been absolutely pants for over a decade in my book, I've also never had the requirement of a paid anti virus either, Heck i don't even use a free one! If i need a paid one at anypoint im going to say my computer savvyness has disappeared and i dont know what im doing!
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    11
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Manufacturer/Model
    Custom
    CPU
    10700k@5.2
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte Gaming X Z490
    Memory
    Viper Steelseries 32gb@ 3600mhz
    Graphics Card(s)
    Gigabyte 2070 Super 8GB, +200 core + 600 memory
    Monitor(s) Displays
    ASUS 4k HDR, Two 1080p Benq and Samsung
    Screen Resolution
    3840x2160/2560x1440/1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Adata XPG SX8200 PRO 1tb
    Samsung EVO 870 500GB
    PSU
    Corsair RX 650
    Case
    NZXT h510
    Cooling
    CM HYPER 212 RGB
    Keyboard
    Razer Ornata Chroma
    Mouse
    Steelseries Rival 710
I’m still using it and never had an issue. Once you turn off annoying reminders.
 
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My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 11
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Manufacturer/Model
    HP Pavilion 14-ce3514sa
    CPU
    Core i5
    Memory
    16gb
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 970 evo plus 2TB
    Cooling
    Could be better
    Internet Speed
    200mbps Starlink
    Browser
    Firefox
    Other Info
    Originally installed with a 500gb H10 Optane ssd
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