Win Update KB5027397 Enablement Package for Windows 11 version 23H2 Feature Update

linuxfish · Nov 8, 2023

I read here that widgets are getting new customization in 23h2. Do I need to do anything to enable this widget update?

Supposedly it's going to be possible to turn off the news in widgets which would make it vastly more useful for me (aside from just showing the weather on the taskbar)

f14tomcat · Nov 8, 2023

linuxfish said:
I read here that widgets are getting new customization in 23h2. Do I need to do anything to enable this widget update?

Supposedly it's going to be possible to turn off the news in widgets which would make it vastly more useful for me (aside from just showing the weather on the taskbar)

I'm on 23H2 and my Widgets do not have the option you mentioned and look a bit different than the pic in your link. Maybe it just hasn't rolled out yet.

Silent84 · Nov 9, 2023

antspants said:
Create a help thread and see if you can get some help
In the meantime, try updating your browser. Clear Cookies/History.

On my laptop, EDGE do the same!
I will try that, thank you!

FerchogtX · Nov 9, 2023

Just amazing...
23H2 reintroduces the AMD Adrenaline bug where settings are reset each time you reboot the system.
WHY?????
Ugh...

johnlgalt · Nov 9, 2023

Or, Adrenaline is not properly fixed when he OS version number changes?

I bet the AMD forums are lighting up about this right about now....

FerchogtX · Nov 9, 2023

johnlgalt said:
Or, Adrenaline is not properly fixed when he OS version number changes?

I bet the AMD forums are lighting up about this right about now....

Or Microsoft just left the bug in 23h3... They already fixed this. This totally proves it's not on AMD, when somebody messes with windows boot process.

Ghot · Nov 9, 2023

AMD Adrenaline and Nvidia Geforce Experience, occasionally have problems.
I doubt either one is very high on Microsoft's priority list.

I've always used Nvidia vid cards.
I "never" install Geforce Experience. Consequently, I don't have any problems with Nvidia drivers.

If I had an AMD vid card I wouldn't install AMD Adrenaline either.

If anyone wants to re-install their vid card drivers without that "helper software", here's how...

DDU Instructions - Nvidia
1. Get this program, here: Display Driver Uninstaller (DDU) | Wagnardsoft ...get the latest version, and save it to your desktop.
2. Get the DCH/Game Ready vid card driver here, use the Manual Search: Advanced Driver Search | NVIDIA ...save this to your desktop.
Unhook the internet completely.
3. Reboot into Safe Mode and run DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) choose the "Highly Recommend Option", and just do what it tells you.
4. After it's done, reboot to normal mode, then just double click the Nvidia driver to install.
[See pics below]. If it want's to reboot, let it.
Rehook the internet.

DDU Instructions - AMD
1. Get this program, here: Display Driver Uninstaller (DDU) | Wagnardsoft ...get the latest version, and save it to your desktop.
2. Get your vid card driver here, use the Manual Search: http://support.amd.com/en-us/download ...save this to your desktop.
Unhook the internet completely.
3. Reboot into Safe Mode and run DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) choose the "Highly Recommend Option", and just do what it tells you.
4. After it's done, reboot to normal mode, then just double click the AMD driver to install. If it want's to reboot, let it.
Rehook the internet.

bikemanI7 · Nov 9, 2023

@Ghot

Wouldn't though it make it harder to update video drivers without using Geforce Experience? I might give it a shot on Next Nvidia Driver Update for first time running without Geforce Experience on Desktop I7 10700 build, and Maybe Gaming Laptop as well

Otherwise 23H2 isn't giving me too many issues at all that i can tell, system seems to be running just fine, minus a few issues with a couple games

johnlgalt · Nov 9, 2023

FerchogtX said:
Or Microsoft just left the bug in 23h3... They already fixed this. This totally proves it's not on AMD, when somebody messes with windows boot process.

Perhaps. If it is 23H2, then there should be a lot of folks at AMD forums complaining about it by now.

Ghot said:
AMD Adrenaline and Nvidia Geforce Experience, occasionally have problems.
I doubt either one is very high on Microsoft's priority list.

I've always used Nvidia vid cards.
I "never" install Geforce Experience. Consequently, I don't have any problems with Nvidia drivers.

If I had an AMD vid card I wouldn't install AMD Adrenaline either.

If anyone wants to re-install their vid card drivers without that "helper software", here's how...

DDU Instructions - Nvidia
1. Get this program, here: Display Driver Uninstaller (DDU) | Wagnardsoft ...get the latest version, and save it to your desktop.
2. Get the DCH/Game Ready vid card driver here, use the Manual Search: Advanced Driver Search | NVIDIA ...save this to your desktop.
Unhook the internet completely.
3. Reboot into Safe Mode and run DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) choose the "Highly Recommend Option", and just do what it tells you.
4. After it's done, reboot to normal mode, then just double click the Nvidia driver to install.
[See pics below]. If it want's to reboot, let it.
Rehook the internet.

DDU Instructions - AMD
1. Get this program, here: Display Driver Uninstaller (DDU) | Wagnardsoft ...get the latest version, and save it to your desktop.
2. Get your vid card driver here, use the Manual Search: http://support.amd.com/en-us/download ...save this to your desktop.
Unhook the internet completely.
3. Reboot into Safe Mode and run DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) choose the "Highly Recommend Option", and just do what it tells you.
4. After it's done, reboot to normal mode, then just double click the AMD driver to install. If it want's to reboot, let it.
Rehook the internet.

I take it a step further and remove a lot of the other stuff, too, via NVCleanStall.

TechPowerUp's NVCleanstall

This is a utility which allows for a more truly custom install of nVidia graphics drivers. From their website: Much of the GeForce Software package consists of components NVIDIA feels are essential to the hardware and form an extension of the product itself. Thus, even the "custom install"...

www.elevenforum.com

Using that, it forces a clean install, and I don't (have to) worry about using DDU.

bikemanI7 said:
@Ghot

Wouldn't though it make it harder to update video drivers without using Geforce Experience? I might give it a shot on Next Nvidia Driver Update for first time running without Geforce Experience on Desktop I7 10700 build, and Maybe Gaming Laptop as well

No. You just manually install it every time you need to. It takes a few minutes is all, and if you judiciously close apps before starting the install, most times you don't even need to reboot.

As I noted above, I do it differently from Ghot, and there are plenty of ways to skin a cat, so to speak - but even just a manual install following his instructions above is perfectly fine. It's not like nVidia puts out drivers every day so that this becomes a chore.

f14tomcat · Nov 9, 2023

So, how's the Enablement thread going?

Ghot · Nov 9, 2023

bikemanI7 said:
@Ghot

Wouldn't though it make it harder to update video drivers without using Geforce Experience? I might give it a shot on Next Nvidia Driver Update for first time running without Geforce Experience on Desktop I7 10700 build, and Maybe Gaming Laptop as well

Otherwise 23H2 isn't giving me too many issues at all that i can tell, system seems to be running just fine, minus a few issues with a couple games

I've always installed vid card drivers manually.
Since Windows 10 and 11 and Microsoft's desire to supply the vid card drivers as well... I now install vid card drivers with the internet disconnected.

I've blocked drivers from being included with Windows Updates, but this doesn't stop MS from installing a vid card driver "after" you remove the one that's installed. It seems they silently install a vid card driver, even if you're not checking for Windows updates.

The guide(s) above are the best way I've found to update vid card drivers.

FerchogtX · Nov 9, 2023

That's pretty good, except I need the fan curves in my system when the weather turns really hot in here... It's useless for me if I can't tune anything, if it's just reset each reboot. I just can't understand why they need to mess up with something it works (Like the shut down / reboot part)...

This is why Adrenaline resets each time. It's clear there is something wrong, that was patched before in 22H2 and now 23H3 reintroduces, because nobody keeps track of fixes done to the OS...

Anyway... back into the field so they notice this...

Ghot · Nov 9, 2023

FerchogtX said:
That's pretty good, except I need the fan curves in my system when the weather turns really hot in here... It's useless for me if I can't tune anything, if it's just reset each reboot. I just can't understand why they need to mess up with something it works (Like the shut down / reboot part)...

This is why Adrenaline resets each time. It's clear there is something wrong, that was patched before in 22H2 and now 23H3 reintroduces, because nobody keeps track of fixes done to the OS...

Anyway... back into the field so they notice this...

Use MSI Afterburner instead.
Use EVGA Precision X1 for EVGA Nvidia cards.

Both will allow adjusting vid card fan curves and more.
Neither have anything to do with updating drivers.

Afterburner

MSI Afterburner is the world’s most recognized and widely used graphics card overclocking utility. It provides detailed overview of your hardware and comes with some additional features like customizing fan profiles, benchmarking and video recording.

www.msi.com

https://www.evga.com/precisionx1/

Only for EVGA vid cards

FerchogtX · Nov 9, 2023

Ghot said:
Use MSI Afterburner instead.
Use EVGA Precision X1 for EVGA Nvidia cards.

Both will allow adjusting vid card fan curves and more.
Neither have anything to do with updating drivers.

Afterburner

MSI Afterburner is the world’s most recognized and widely used graphics card overclocking utility. It provides detailed overview of your hardware and comes with some additional features like customizing fan profiles, benchmarking and video recording.

www.msi.com

https://www.evga.com/precisionx1/
Only for EVGA vid cards

I've thought on AfterBurner, but here is the catch: I don't really want another app running in the background. Adrenaline does the job pretty decently without using any more RAM. I mean, it's a valid and nice suggestion, but this is my catch on this... -_-;

Dru2 · Nov 10, 2023

FerchogtX said:
Just amazing...
23H2 reintroduces the AMD Adrenaline bug where settings are reset each time you reboot the system.
WHY?????
Ugh...

johnlgalt said:
Or, Adrenaline is not properly fixed when he OS version number changes?

I bet the AMD forums are lighting up about this right about now....

Not according to this > official AMD site. Not under "Graphic Cards", not under "Drivers & Software"

You have a specific AMD site in mind?

Anyway, I would ask the OP what specific settings they are talking about cause I don't have that issue. I don't use a ton of custom setting but the settings I use stick upon reboot. My OS version is shown under my Avatar. Also just rebooted the system as a test. No issues here.

Dru2 · Nov 10, 2023

Ghot said:
If I had an AMD vid card I wouldn't install AMD Adrenaline either.

That where we differ as I use, and have always used AMD Adrenalin software, and before Adrenalin, their Catalyst package. While nothing ever perfect overall I never had a reason not to use the software suite. Can't speak on NVidia as I've never used their cards.

And no this isn't about which is or isn't better so let's not go there. I'm simply saying I've never used an NVIdia GPU which means I can't speak on their driver/software package.

johnlgalt · Nov 10, 2023

Dru2 said:
Not according to this > official AMD site. Not under "Graphic Cards", not under "Drivers & Software"

You have a specific AMD site in mind?

Anyway, I would ask the OP what specific settings they are talking about cause I don't have that issue. I don't use a ton of custom setting but the settings I use stick upon reboot. My OS version is shown under my Avatar. Also just rebooted the system as a test. No issues here.

What I meant was

If he is right and Windows 23H2 broke Adrenaline - Then the site should be overflowing with bug reports about it (IOW, a subtle hint to the OP to check the AMD forums and if it really was a Windows issue a lot more people would be reporting it, so another subtle hint to check his own system again).

Dru2 · Nov 10, 2023

johnlgalt said:
What I meant was

If he is right and Windows 23H2 broke Adrenaline - Then the site should be overflowing with bug reports about it (IOW, a subtle hint to the OP to check the AMD forums and if it really was a Windows issue a lot more people would be reporting it, so another subtle hint to check his own system again).

Trust me, I'm one to agree, but I've also been reminded here (sometimes rather angrily) that "just because you don't have issues, doesn't mean others don't!", especially when I remind people that sometimes Windows ends up being the proverbial "messenger shot"

At any rate, I get your point

johnlgalt · Nov 10, 2023

Truth. Messengers beware!

Release Channel	Available	Next Step
Windows Update and Microsoft Update	Yes	None. This update will be downloaded and installed automatically from Windows Update. The update is named Feature Update to Windows 11, version 23H2.
Microsoft Update Catalog	No	This update is only available through the other release channels.
Windows Server Update Services (WSUS)	Yes	This update will automatically synchronize with WSUS if you configure Products and Classifications as follows: Product: Windows 11 Classification: Upgrades The update is named Windows 11, version 23H2.

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